Does Shane Beamer deserve the same opportunity and support at SC his father was given at VT?

[Prestonyte]

Frank Beamer's record in his first six seasons was 24-40-2, a win percentage of .385. After the team went 2–8–1 in 1992, athletic director Dave Braine believed in Beamer and thought he deserved more time. It proved to be a wise decision; the Hokies would not suffer another losing season under Beamer's watch. At his hall of fame induction, Beamer said he would have been unlikely to survive his early years had he been coaching in the 2010s. Frank Beamer amassed an overall record of 238–121–2 (.663) in his 29 years at the school. His teams went to postseason play after every season from 1993 until his retirement in 2015.

 

[KingWard]

Does Shane Beamer deserve the same opportunity and support at SC his father was given at VT?​

Oh, yes, and then some. His destiny to be one of the great all-time coaches jumps out at you.

 

[Prestonyte]

Oh, yes, and then some. His destiny to be one of the great all-time coaches jumps out at you.

I'm sure they said the same thing about Frank!

 

[18IsTheMan]

In theory, yes. But the game has changed too much since then. Recruiting has changed too much, Every coach everywhere is in a "win now" situation. With the hundreds of millions of dollars at stake, there's no room or time for patience.

 

[sirvalor1]

I think he deserves all the support in the world. Will he become what his father was??? Time will only tell. But if the fanbase starts calling for his job it only hurts the team. Recruits will see this and feel that the fans aren't truly behind the team 100%.

 

[1vagamecock]

I would give him the time. We couldn't exactly get who we wanted the last couple times we looked for a coach and Shane will learn I think (and hope).
We are really awful right now, and probably will be for a few more years, no matter who coaches us.
Give him the time and go fishing on Saturdays we play a ranked opponent the next 3 to 4 years

 

[Atlanta Cock]

The beatings will continue until morale improves.

 

[KingWard]

I think we would rob ourselves if we gave him less than 20 years.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Our most successful coach ever was a middle-of-the-pack coach with a losing conference record through his first 5 seasons here. In 7 out of 11 seasons here, he was basically mediocre and only managed a winning conference record in 5 out of 11 seasons. He is responsible for 2 of our 4 losses ever to Vanderbilt and remains the only Gamecocks football coach with multiple losses to Vanderbilt.

It would seem quite foolish to demand considerably better from Beamer.

 

[ToddFlanders]

I don't think anyone survives past year six with a .385 winning percentage - it's just not that era anymore.

I think a more relevant question is will USC give Beamer the time that Stoops got at Kentucky. His first season was already better than Stoops, but I could see years 2 through 5 being similar. Stoops' first five seasons: 2-10, 5-7, 5-7, 7-6, 7-6. Does Beamer survive with a similar pattern?

 

[Lurker123]

By this reasoning, we should have given Muschump more time.

 

[Atlanta Cock]

I don't think anyone survives past year six with a .385 winning percentage - it's just not that era anymore.

I think a more relevant question is will USC give Beamer the time that Stoops got at Kentucky. His first season was already better than Stoops, but I could see years 2 through 5 being similar. Stoops' first five seasons: 2-10, 5-7, 5-7, 7-6, 7-6. Does Beamer survive with a similar pattern?

KY is a basketball school. Evidently, we’re a woman’s sports school, with a minor in non-factual virtue signaling, so the answer may be “Yes.”

 

[Spinal Tap]

I think we would rob ourselves if we gave him less than 20 years.

How do we handle pay? Increases? Decreases? We'll have some financials to resolve looooong term.

 

[BigJC]

Frank wasn't being paid what Shane is and the game has changed drastically since 1987. USC can't afford to let Shane go 24-42 (no ties today) over six seasons. Fan support, recruiting and money would dry up and the program would be set back many years.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

I think we would rob ourselves if we gave him less than 20 years.

A lifetime contract is in order. This way he won't need to rush into questionable decisions or worry about job security.

 

[Sweetwatergolf]

By this reasoning, we should have given Muschump more time.

Not really, he couldn't win at Florida with talented players.

 

[gamecock stock]

No, no, no, no, no. Frank had successful experience as a Head Football Coach prior to going to VT. Cannot compare the 2. Shane was not even an OC or DC prior to coming to Carolina. To put Shane in the same category as Frank reminds me to a MUCH LESSER degree of when J.B. Smoove had dinner with Peyton Manning, Archie Manning and ELI Manning, asking for one of the "legendary" quarterbacks to pass him the gravy. Eli picked up the bowl, and Smoove said no, put it down Eli. I said "legendary".

 

[Prestonyte]

By this reasoning, we should have given Muschump more time.

Muschamp was not an energetic recruiter and had a culture where players did not care. Given his failure at FL, not sure why we hired him other than our options were limited. Beamer needs at least as much time as Muschamp - this is only year two. There is a fine balance between patience and haste when making decisions.

 

[Prestonyte]

No, no, no, no, no. Frank had successful experience as a Head Football Coach prior to going to VT. Cannot compare the 2. Shane was not even an OC or DC prior to coming to Carolina. To put Shane in the same category as Frank reminds me to a MUCH LESSER degree of when J.B. Smoove had dinner with Peyton Manning, Archie Manning and ELI Manning, asking for one of the "legendary" quarterbacks to pass him the gravy. Eli picked up the bowl, and Smoove said no, put it down Eli. I said "legendary".

Dabo was in the same category as Shane. Should have been fired after losing 5 straight to Spurrier following the 5 year rule for firings.

 

[Lurker123]

Not really, he couldn't win at Florida with talented players.

I guess if you couple his years at uf with here, yes.

But then we'd also have to take into account Frank's successful run as a HC prior to VT as factoring into the extra time he was given.

Also, when I looked it up, I noted that VT went from an independent to the Big East in Frank's 5th or so year. That may have played a part in giving him leeway.

 

[gamecock stock]

Dabo was in the same category as Shane. Should have been fired after losing 5 straight to Spurrier following the 5 year rule for firings.

But during that stretch didn't Dabo have a couple of top 25 rankings and a couple of top 10 rankings?

 

[Tmac061]

Not here!!!

 

[Tngamecock]

Frank Beamer's record in his first six seasons was 24-40-2, a win percentage of .385. After the team went 2–8–1 in 1992, athletic director Dave Braine believed in Beamer and thought he deserved more time. It proved to be a wise decision; the Hokies would not suffer another losing season under Beamer's watch. At his hall of fame induction, Beamer said he would have been unlikely to survive his early years had he been coaching in the 2010s. Frank Beamer amassed an overall record of 238–121–2 (.663) in his 29 years at the school. His teams went to postseason play after every season from 1993 until his retirement in 2015.

Sure he does, but keep in mind that was way before the days of social media and the instant gratification fire someone in the second quarter crowd. Everyone is a coaching genius now including me

 

[Tngamecock]

I'm sure they said the same thing about Frank!

They said it about Dabo after his 6-7 campaign. I grew up in a tater family so I can assure you we were hearing the same exact things about Dabo. He’s never been a head coach, he’s never been a coordinator, he is in way over his head, etc.

 

[Lurker123]

Dabo was in the same category as Shane. Should have been fired after losing 5 straight to Spurrier following the 5 year rule for firings.

Disagree. Winning a bunch of games, division and even conference titles allowed Dabo to survive the 0-5.

 

[gcockwin]

No. The game is much different today. Also, Shane has a lot more to work with than his dad did at VT starting out. VT was a blip on the map with a barn for a stadium back then. Frank literally built that thing up from the ground. You're talking apples and oranges. In today's world you have to show signs of progress pretty quickly. Doesn't mean you're winning division titles, but it does mean you show signs that you're improving and are competitive against elite competition. You also need to bring in top 25 classes.

So far Shane has shown he's a great recruiter. Everything else is still open for debate.

 

[Prestonyte]

Disagree. Winning a bunch of games, division and even conference titles allowed Dabo to survive the 0-5.

Talk about apples to oranges - ACC vs SEC schedules

 

[Lurker123]

Talk about apples to oranges - ACC vs SEC schedules

Agreed. But winning that conference is a good reason to keep a coach who went 0-5 to a rival.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

Frank Beamer's record in his first six seasons was 24-40-2, a win percentage of .385. After the team went 2–8–1 in 1992, athletic director Dave Braine believed in Beamer and thought he deserved more time. It proved to be a wise decision; the Hokies would not suffer another losing season under Beamer's watch. At his hall of fame induction, Beamer said he would have been unlikely to survive his early years had he been coaching in the 2010s. Frank Beamer amassed an overall record of 238–121–2 (.663) in his 29 years at the school. His teams went to postseason play after every season from 1993 until his retirement in 2015.

This narrative needs to be put into perspective.
Beamer took over VaTech after NCAA sanctions that limited total scholarships to 85 in both 88 & 89 and only 17 initial scholarships in 89. So with a very limited amount of scholarship players wins were at a premium.
As harsh as this may sound, given that we are not under any limitations of scholarships, No the same allowance should not be given.

 

[Lurker123]

This narrative need to be put into perspective.
Beamer took over VaTech after NCAA sanctions that limited total scholarships to 85 in both 88 & 89 and only 17 initial scholarships in 89. So with a very limited amount of scholarship players wins were at a premium.
As harsh as this may sound, given that we are not under any limitations of scholarships, No the same allowance should not be given.

Throw in that they went from independent to a conference (big east, fwiw) and he had previous successful experience as a head coach.

Imo, the answer is no, Shane hasn't earned 6 years of waiting.

 

[Atlanta Cock]

Disagree. Winning a bunch of games, division and even conference titles allowed Dabo to survive the 0-5.

Plus he was recruiting 5* from out of state and changing coaches who weren’t producing.

 

[Atlanta Cock]

This narrative need to be put into perspective.
Beamer took over VaTech after NCAA sanctions that limited total scholarships to 85 in both 88 & 89 and only 17 initial scholarships in 89. So with a very limited amount of scholarship players wins were at a premium.
As harsh as this may sound, given that we are not under any limitations of scholarships, No the same allowance should not be given.

Interesting. I don’t think I ever knew this.

 

[KingWard]

A lifetime contract is in order. This way he won't need to rush into questionable decisions or worry about job security.

Yes, I don't want him to be worried, nor do I want any fans to be worried about him. Just pay the money and think of it as a long term investment - something to leave your grandkids.

 

[KingWard]

How do we handle pay? Increases? Decreases? We'll have some financials to resolve looooong term.

Probably the generation that succeeds is will have to wrestle with those issues.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

Plus he was recruiting 5* from out of state and changing coaches who weren’t producing.

And Clemson was funneling all their "resources" to football, not WBB.

 

[KingWard]

This narrative needs to be put into perspective.
Beamer took over VaTech after NCAA sanctions that limited total scholarships to 85 in both 88 & 89 and only 17 initial scholarships in 89. So with a very limited amount of scholarship players wins were at a premium.
As harsh as this may sound, given that we are not under any limitations of scholarships, No the same allowance should not be given.

Oh, sacrilege. Copious patience and leniency should be afforded this budding genius in our midst.

 

[cocean]

I don't think anyone survives past year six with a .385 winning percentage - it's just not that era anymore.

I think a more relevant question is will USC give Beamer the time that Stoops got at Kentucky. His first season was already better than Stoops, but I could see years 2 through 5 being similar. Stoops' first five seasons: 2-10, 5-7, 5-7, 7-6, 7-6. Does Beamer survive with a similar pattern?

The funny thing is, why do we think we are any better than kentucky as a program? We r on the same level...maybe

 

[Guy in the Back]

I do think Beamer has it in him to be the guy. He has the personality and enough knowledge of the game to be successful. What will determine if remains the guy is how he handles his staff. Unless things shift, I believe we will find out at the end of the year.

 

[Cocky99]

Different times, different conference. Shane Beamer is going to have to be 10x the Coach that his father was to win here. This is the SEC in 2022.