Does starting Barker get rid of the divide in the locker room?
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No but winning and more importantly playing well does. If we roll out there and thump Charlotte 70 to 0 then attitudes will change. If we lose or just eek out an EKU type win then I wouldn't want to watch the UL game if I were you.
Yes, yes it will. The majority of the playmakers on this team were recruited here by DB with the expectation that DB would be their qb. The remainder of the players who actually care about winning know that PT could never get them to where they want to go.
I'm not certain that there is a divide, however, there has been a tremendous amount of smoke to say there is no fire behind the scenes!!!!
This guy lol.. Multiple media members with wayyyyy more access than you beg to differ. You pal are the worst and think nothing but the best about this team and stoops for lord knows what reason. There's no reasoning with this guy! He thinks stoops is all knowing and our team is improving year by year. When the stats AKA facts! Say otherwise. Advice to all don't listen to merriman he's kinda on the unrealistic side of things there's no reasoning with the guy you hit him with facts proving his opinion wrong and he'll still call your facts an opinion. The guy is off his rocker for real.
But to answer your question yes barker getting the snaps will probably help ease the players differences and maybe be a step to getting rid of the divide between the team. It's obvious the players are sick of playing with towles and they're sick of stoops horrid decision making but they like barker so I can see them rallying around barker and it may help the team chemistry. But there's a lot of damage to be repaired i don't feel like stoops has much respect if any from the team and he's gotta start earning his money and earning their respect because so far we're paying him for nothing. Contrary to belief of some of the idiots on this board.. There is a divide amongst the team. The media isn't lying to you like some of these posters like merriman want to tell you. They don't have any inside information like the media does. Where there's smoke there's usually fire. Guys like merriman make up their own facts without logic or reason just because what they say is what they want to believe. But what they want to believe is wrong every single time no matter what when it comes to guys like him.
He's kind of pointless to discuss football with before it became obvious against vandy he was a PT lover til the end even though it was obvious way before vandy that he couldn't run the team any longer. His logic was since stoops thought he was the player that gives us the best chance to win, merriman thought it must be true because stoops is apparently a proven coach? Now barker gives us the best chance to win but 3 weeks ago he didn't? Right makes sense. You can't have it both ways merriman which is it? Towles gave us the best chance 3 weeks ago? Now barker gives us the best chance? And what does that do to stoops credibility for not doing it sooner? To merriman nothing. He's a great head coach who just needs to bring his talent in. But before the season stoops said the talent was as good as it's been and he's confident that we'll see a much improved product on the field. I don't see any improvement. I see more regressing than anything. Stoops didn't deliver. you can't have it both ways merriman which is it? Stoops claimed he had the talent before the season. Now merriman saying talent is the problem as to why we're getting embarrassed to UNRANKED teams week in and week out. But you don't get embarrassed by UNRANKED teams due to talent every week. That's all zero preparation and organization and zero motivating from the coach. When you get embarrassed like that by UNRANKED teams it's all 100% on the coaches not the players.
Every week we've been going into games with zero focus and a horrible game plan. But you know what merriman has to say about that? That we're improving every year so we'd have to be dumb to say he's not a good coach. But then you throw the fact we're 4-12 in our last 16 games with zero quality wins which is a fact that proves we're not improving. You know what merriman says to justify the coaches for that? He claims mizzou and South Carolina are quality wins. And if you dare say they're not. Then apparently you're dumb and don't know football. And if you're not all in with stoops and towles (til recently) and all their corny slogans. Then you're dumb and don't know football. Pretty much the point is never try to discuss football with merriman. Spread the word! No need for fans like that who accept such horrid coaching and have such low standards for the program by saying what we have here is quality coaching and if you don't believe so. Then you're dumb and don't know football. He has more excuses for mark stoops than mark stoops has for mark stoops and I'm telling ya. Stoops is an excuse machine so that's saying a lot about merriman. Not a single good quality in him as a head coach with how he handles himself on the sidelines and with all the excuses he has every week and how he hires a bunch of coordinators and position coaches with zero experience like himself. We have an entire staff full of people that really don't know what they're doing because almost ALL OF THEM have never done it before. And it couldn't be more obvious when you watch our team play. We look clueless on the field a lot of times because our coaches are clueless. He didn't hire a special teams coach and he still thinks we don't need one! Pathetic! And merriman is the kind of guy to justify these things. Say 12 times 12 is 144 right? If stoops said 12 times 12 was 183 merriman would swear up and down that 12 times 12 is 183.
He's kind of pointless to discuss football with before it became obvious against vandy he was a PT lover til the end even though it was obvious way before vandy that he couldn't run the team any longer. His logic was since stoops thought he was the player that gives us the best chance to win, merriman thought it must be true because stoops is apparently a proven coach? Now barker gives us the best chance to win but 3 weeks ago he didn't? Right makes sense. You can't have it both ways merriman which is it? Towles gave us the best chance 3 weeks ago? Now barker gives us the best chance? And what does that do to stoops credibility for not doing it sooner? To merriman nothing. He's a great head coach who just needs to bring his talent in. But before the season stoops said the talent was as good as it's been and he's confident that we'll see a much improved product on the field. I don't see any improvement. I see more regressing than anything. Stoops didn't deliver. you can't have it both ways merriman which is it? Stoops claimed he had the talent before the season. Now merriman saying talent is the problem as to why we're getting embarrassed to UNRANKED teams week in and week out. But you don't get embarrassed by UNRANKED teams due to talent every week. That's all zero preparation and organization and zero motivating from the coach. When you get embarrassed like that by UNRANKED teams it's all 100% on the coaches not the players.
Every week we've been going into games with zero focus and a horrible game plan. But you know what merriman has to say about that? That we're improving every year so we'd have to be dumb to say he's not a good coach. But then you throw the fact we're 4-12 in our last 16 games with zero quality wins which is a fact that proves we're not improving. You know what merriman says to justify the coaches for that? He claims mizzou and South Carolina are quality wins. And if you dare say they're not. Then apparently you're dumb and don't know football. And if you're not all in with stoops and towles (til recently) and all their corny slogans. Then you're dumb and don't know football. Pretty much the point is never try to discuss football with merriman. Spread the word! No need for fans like that who accept such horrid coaching and have such low standards for the program by saying what we have here is quality coaching and if you don't believe so. Then you're dumb and don't know football. He has more excuses for mark stoops than mark stoops has for mark stoops and I'm telling ya. Stoops is an excuse machine so that's saying a lot about merriman. Not a single good quality in him as a head coach with how he handles himself on the sidelines and with all the excuses he has every week and how he hires a bunch of coordinators and position coaches with zero experience like himself. We have an entire staff full of people that really don't know what they're doing because almost ALL OF THEM have never done it before. And it couldn't be more obvious when you watch our team play. We look clueless on the field a lot of times because our coaches are clueless. He didn't hire a special teams coach and he still thinks we don't need one! Pathetic! And merriman is the kind of guy to justify these things. Say 12 times 12 is 144 right? If stoops said 12 times 12 was 183 merriman would swear up and down that 12 times 12 is 183.
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The one that has been discussed by various media outlets for a couple of weeks now. The one that Stoops confirmed to Matt Jones last week.
That's merriman for you. He's not really a fan of facts when making an argument. You can lay out a million indisputable FACTS right in front of him that proves his argument wrong. And no matter what he's just going to believe what he wants to believe. He's literally the most pointless poster to try discussing football with on this board. I question if he's a Louisville fan just trying to get everyone riled up with all the lies he spews all over this board to be honest.
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Funny. Stoops never said there was a divide. He said that he is sure that with over 100 lids that some of them are frustrated and disappointed, just like all programs have.
And you can have your media sources. I trust what JRowland puts out there and he wrote the every source he spoke to immediately shut that down and actually came back with, "thise kids love that guy". That is the fact that I am using.
And you can have your media sources. I trust what JRowland puts out there and he wrote the every source he spoke to immediately shut that down and actually came back with, "thise kids love that guy". That is the fact that I am using.
Bro, you are following my posts way too much. They seem to be pissing you off. Maybe you should take a break and gather yourself.
No just pointing out that people shouldn't try to discuss football with you because you love to ignore the facts when they prove you wrong. You believe what you want to believe.. Even when facts prove you wrong. You're the worst poster here. Easily. Stoops could say 12 times 12 is 183 and you'd defend him.
The word needs to be spread. Merriman knows nothing about football. So don't try and discussing it with him because you might get dumber in the process. So from now on i give up unless it's spreading the words at how pointless discussing football with you is.
The hatred you have for Stoops is unreal. It's ok man. It's just football. He hasn't done anything personallyto you I am sure.
I haven't ignored facts. I have posted my facts. Yeah I get you 4-12 or whatever. But look at who they have played in those games. You are big on Brooks, yet you ignore his SEC record as a coach and those are the same games Stoops is playing. I love Brooks. But he struggled against SEC opponents as well. Later in his years here he knocked off some good opponents, but not in his first 3 years.
I never claimed to love brooks. But compare the SEC opponents they're playing? Stoops has it way easier than brooks ever did as far as schedule goes. Yes I see the teams we're playing. We have 5 straight losses against unranked teams. Your point? I don't hate stoops. I just can't stand the fans that like to pretend like he's a good coach by saying we're 'improving every year' when the facts say otherwise! You can't compare brooks to stoops because brooks had absolutely nothing to work with as far as football support goes he had no resources to recruit with unlike stoops who has every resource in the world at his dispense. Just go back to the Louisville board man you're making me a hypocrite by responding to your zero knowledge of the sport we call football. You're a joke and everyone needs to decide to not join your discussions so you can just leave the board once nobody values your opinion. I need to do a better job at it to be honest.
What facts have you posted that have proven we've improved? I thought 4-12 with zero quality wins proved that argument 100% wrong. Will you ever base your opinion on facts and not just what you want to believe? Your excuse for stoops being a bad coach is that I hate stoops. Are you kidding?
I don't hate stoops I don't hate any football coach. One does not have to hate stoops to point out that he's a horrible head coach. You don't have to hate the man to know he's a horrible head coach that's not how that kind of stuff works.
I haven't seen any lndication of a players divide on the field. Anyone who can't see any improvement in the talent evidently hasn't watched any of the games. We still don't have the needed depth, but that will take another 2-3 years to fill the roster with experienced players.
Stoops has handled the QB situation well in my opinion.. Either QB would have struggled with our line play. You can have improvement in certain areas like receivers, and running backs that don't show up when blocking is not there.
I agree that the coaching staff is going to have to be on same page to be successful. There has been some confusion, but that happens with new people coming in to the program and I'm sure that will be corrected.
your comment about the players are sick and tired of Towles and Stoops is just your speculation. I've read where the players really like Stoops, of course there is always a player who is not happy for various reasons, so just calm down there will be better days ahead. jmho
Having been a part of a few collegiate football programs......some on winning seasons and some on losing seasons.......it should come as no shock that when you win people tend to align in their opinions. When they lose, lots and lots of finger pointing......and injuries. But then by season's end, most is forgotten.
On a collegiate team you have >120 players, coaches, support staff, etc. And all will sit around with differing opinions discussing how the team should be run.
Changing Barker won't really do that much. Improved performance........winning......will.
On a collegiate team you have >120 players, coaches, support staff, etc. And all will sit around with differing opinions discussing how the team should be run.
Changing Barker won't really do that much. Improved performance........winning......will.
If there really has been no divide then that makes the play of late even more horrific to consider. That's even worse IMO, cause we just suck with no chemistry issues. That said, I am glad Barker is starting. We should roll this team, and roll them by 4-5 TDs...and then see what happens against UL.
Lol give it up merriman this is the worst football in game coaching staff in all of the land. Talent will not fix that. You're so beyond out of the loop that it's not funny anymore.
You're so far off base its not funny. This is the worst in game coaching staff in all of football. If the vandy game didn't prove it to you where we ran the ball out of the shotgun 3 straight plays from the one and didn't score. And the 4th and 1 run out of the shotgun at midfield towards the end of the half. If you truly think talent is why we lost to vandy. Then you're just clueless. That was the worst coaching performance I've ever seen. And for you to blame that on talent? That's kind of pathetic man it's not the players fault as to why we lost to vandy. And can you explain how we got embarrassed by 5 UNRANKED team 5 straight weeks? That was the talent. You sure the coaching just wasn't prepared and didn't have the team ready for any of these games? Because it's the coaches fault. Believe it or not. When you get embarrassed by unranked teams every week. We're 4-12 in our last 16 games with zero quality wins? You're telling me that's on the talent and not the coaching? Wow. Just wow. You're the first person to agree with merriman congrats that puts you in the same class as him as far as clueless posters here go.
And didn't stoops say before the year that he promises a much improved product on the field this year because the talent is much improved? Well where's this improvement stoops told us to expect? I don't see it. He promised it. He said we had the talent for it. What's the excuse for that?
Recently, lots of new posters on here that have joined the "lets brow beat the football team," interesting. In the end I hope Drew does something about the production on the field then the continental divide if there is really one.
If there is a divide that exist, and it stems from who is the starting quarterback, wouldn't by the nature of the divide itself still exist?
I mean if half are in drews camp and the others in Patrick's wouldn't you just be flipping it?
I doubt there is as much of a divide as it is poor coaching and the difficulty of getting a derailed train back on track. Losing, like winning, is contagious.
I mean if half are in drews camp and the others in Patrick's wouldn't you just be flipping it?
I doubt there is as much of a divide as it is poor coaching and the difficulty of getting a derailed train back on track. Losing, like winning, is contagious.
Do you talk to you self just to listen?Sounds like you like yourself a lot.
I don't want to be difficult but there really are chemistry issues between some of the players on this team. The coaching staff aren't in harmony either. I'd say losing is causing the rift but this team is divided and it's too close to the end of the season to argue about it from my perspective. I'll wade into this mess before next season amps up but UK football is in a really dark place right now. I'm ready to move on and give it some time to shake out.
Its just like I said in another post, evidently you haven't seen many games. You just verified that. All those unranked teams happen to be rated higher than UK. We play a SEC schedule, and we don't have enough talent. Its better than we are used to, but we need another 2-3 years to take advantage of red shirting.
I agree the coaching staff was not at their best in the Vandy game, but I'm not going to let one game over ride the overall improvement of the team. I still think Stoops can turn it around if he is given a reasonable time table.
I am amused at some of the fans who use 20-20 hindsight to judge the play calling. jmho.
I can see the team being upset over the losing. I can understand the frustrations over mistakes and things that shouldn't go wrong but it's hard to understand how a real divide can happen. Is it losers versus losers, because no one on that team has been exempted from bad play, the whole team has stunk at different times this season.
I respect that. But again, I don't think that there is any more rift on this team than any other team. I base that off of what I have heard about the type of coach Stoops is from a player at FSU, and the fact that JRow said his sources shot that down quickly.
Good post. I don't want to turn in my fan card lol but this year has has been difficult for me for too many reasons to count. One last comment on this topic. I'd say the losing has been the major obstacle for the team to stomach but I think a portion of the players want Barker at the helm and others that want PT to keep the job. The coaches are questioning each other and it's just not clicking right now. I don't necessarily think things are beyond repair but there are a lot of question marks with this group.
Yeah I agree. I can see that. And believe me, I understand the frustrations. LOL!!! I support the team and Stoops, but that doesn't mean that I haven't been frustrated at many things. I want our team to be relevant so bad. Growing up in Alabama I have definitely gotten my fair share of bashings over my love for UK football. But with that, I don't want to not look at situations objectively and make knee jerk reaction. I don enough of that during the game. haha.