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I like the fact that we'll have multiple good shooters next year. That will obviously help the spacing, if nothing else. I do wonder how good our defense will be? If Tre Jones comes back, that will certainly help a lot. I've heard Wendell Moore can defend. Javin is reliable, but he may not get quality minutes with Vernon Carey in there. Not sure about the rest.
Your screen name is a misnomer!
Let's not forget Jordan. He will bring the D. Hopefully he can develop his offensive game in the off season. Give us 6-7 points a game, and he could really contribute!
And for the doubters......we are less than a week past a really lousy loss. Can you please let us have some hope for just a little while????
Let's not forget Jordan. He will bring the D. Hopefully he can develop his offensive game in the off season. Give us 6-7 points a game, and he could really contribute!
And for the doubters......we are less than a week past a really lousy loss. Can you please let us have some hope for just a little while????
Jordan can defend, no question. If he could develop a semi-reliable jump-shot, he would see an explosion in minutes.
Because, the standard for declaring for the NBA isn't "are you ready for the NBA." And people constantly and incorrectly think it is.
Maybe 20% of the freshman who declare for the NBA are "ready for the NBA." The rest are projects that are drafted based on potential.
Kids make decisions based on what they want to do with their lives, on where they think they'll develop best, on how this year's class compares to next year's, on whether they think their draft stock will improve noticeably based on how they expect to perform the next year, based on family financial needs, etc.
But, unlike 10 years ago, the decisions kids make are rarely based on "am I ready to play in the NBA."
Because someone like Tre is "stock" for these teams. They make their financial investment because they know he has tools to become good. There are life long G-League Players then there are Tre Jones who teams put there for development, anticipating to make him serviceable in the NBA, sort of like Grayson has been this year (Moved up and Down).
Theoretically, what if Tre does come back and still doesn't improve his offense? Now you've went from a late first early second rounder to undrafted.
I've always found the "come back to SCHOOL and work on your BASKETBALL game" narrative dumb.
Why not become a professional basketball player and work on your basketball game?? All while being paid.
Plus...the biggest reason guys leave early is you are that much closer to your next contract, which is where the real money is.
Why not become a professional basketball player and work on your basketball game?? All while being paid.
Plus...the biggest reason guys leave early is you are that much closer to your next contract, which is where the real money is.
Nothing against Jordon. He is a reliable backup for a couple minutes a half, but if he is our starting point guard or playing a large amount of minutes at the point, we are in a world of hurt!!
OFC
Lol what about those that go and have glaring weaknesses and the NBA chews them up and spits them out before they’re ready
He's an offensive liability in my eyes. Love the ball pressure he provides on D. But yes, until he can develop a reliable jumper, his offensive woes won't allow him to merit more than 5-10 a game... but, IF he can get a steady jumper, he absolutely would be deserving of quality minutes.
Some years there are 5 guys that are truly NBA ready, and then some loaded drafts there may be 15-20 guys that are NBA ready.
There are 60 slots, someone has to fill all those spots.
Tre would be in the G-League if he leaves this year or next year. The G-League isn't the laughable joke that it used to be. The NBA has put real money into it, and it's starting to produce some success stories. Grayson, for example, was sent down numerous times, and everytime he came back to the league, he would play really well.
The NBA isn't gonna chew up and spit out a 19 year old kid, he will get 5+ years of chances, whether it's in the big show or the G-League.
I really hope Tre comes back. But it looks like if he goes he will be late 1st round early second round, and we all know what guys like that at Duke not named Grayson do. I'd say theres a one in three chance he returns. If he does return, we solve most of our issues for next year. If Hurt comes too we're locked and loaded.
We need some good news. I hate this week of the year if we're not in the FF. And we have to read daily stories about our guys leaving.
They are definitely starting to treat it like the AHL Hockey, I would say Minor League baseball but it's tad different. Carolina Hurricanes can send players and call players up throughout the year with their AHL affiliate Charlotte Checkers. I think all of those guys are under contract with the Hurricanes. When they play for the checkers they get a smaller game check but when they play for the hurricanes they get their "original contract" game check. Essentially you can make $3000 a game or $30,000 a game if you get called up.
G-League is different for drafted players because you're basically being farmed on that team unlike some of your teammates who purely play for the G-League team.
That’s a good thing then. I hope the NCAA stops being the feeder league then
Imo Tre will never be a top ten pick.I think he can work his way into the mid to high teens in the draft if his shooting improves.If he can get any contact with garanteed money he should take it.
The gleague isn’t just for development it’s also used by teams to keep the player in shape and game ready. Grayson was back and forth because UTAH already had enough guards under contract and rather then have him sit on the bench and do nothing the gleague gave him game experience.
Tre is fading from draft boards and I would think that if he got a two way contract it wouldn’t be as appealing as Graysons contract which is an NBA rookie contract.
He's good enough to hold a G League roster spot. As a professional he can focus more on basketball and less on school
I bet he works his butt off and gets up a ton of shots this off-season. Just seems like that type of kid to me. Hopefully it pays off.
There are a lot of uncertainties in basketball....but him working his butt off, wherever he is, is not one of them in my opinion.
If they left as freshmen and got drafted in the first round, they made a ton of guaranteed money. If they waited and fell out of the first round, they didn't. And if they got chewed up and spit out by the league, another year or 3 in school wasn't going to change that.
So.
PG Tre
SG Alex
SF Jack
PF Javin
C Marques
SF Joey
PG Jordan
Will be joined by...
SG Boogie Ellis
SF Wendell Moore
C Vernon Carey
And still waiting on...
PF Matt Hurt
PG Tre
SG Alex
SF Jack
PF Javin
C Marques
SF Joey
PG Jordan
Will be joined by...
SG Boogie Ellis
SF Wendell Moore
C Vernon Carey
And still waiting on...
PF Matt Hurt
Hurt looks promising. Hopefully Bolden will stay. We'll be okay without him, but a senior with experience would be nice to go along with Javin. We could wear teams down on the inside.
And waiting on trendon watford and possibly Kira Lewis although this news probably steers him awaySo.
PG Tre
SG Alex
SF Jack
PF Javin
C Marques
SF Joey
PG Jordan
Will be joined by...
SG Boogie Ellis
SF Wendell Moore
C Vernon Carey
And still waiting on...
PF Matt Hurt
I'll be elated if Tre is for sure coming back. But I will say that, while I don't really know anything about the freshman coming in (and we haven't really seen Joey Baker play yet), those first 6 names past Tre don't give me a ton of confidence.So.
PG Tre
SG Alex
SF Jack
PF Javin
C Marques
SF Joey
PG Jordan
Will be joined by...
SG Boogie Ellis
SF Wendell Moore
C Vernon Carey
And still waiting on...
PF Matt Hurt
Even if Tre comes back I'm not convinced our defense will be better. At least at rim protection. It was so awesome watching all those blocked shots and not just Zion.
But then again... maybe we will!
But then again... maybe we will!
Let’s say that Tre returns and we land Hurt, no one else. I would say that team is not near as talented as this year’s team but could be the desired blend of veterans and incoming talent that could be more complete by March. Tre will he asked to do a lot more with that team as compared to this year’s team, which could be a good thing. You’ll have weapons in Carey, Hurt, possibly Moore. You’ll likely have better shooting. Defense will be the biggest unknown but having a known like Tre would be a great start.
With that said I too will wait until the Tre news is official. He’s dealing with more than any of us right now. He needs to make the best decision for him, not the emotional one. I hope we’ll handle whatever decision he makes with a sense of class and understanding, especially if it is not the one we currently want/think.
With that said I too will wait until the Tre news is official. He’s dealing with more than any of us right now. He needs to make the best decision for him, not the emotional one. I hope we’ll handle whatever decision he makes with a sense of class and understanding, especially if it is not the one we currently want/think.
Better shooting will be the key. The question is, how much better will we need to make up for all the dominating things that Zion did. The other question is obviously how close can we come defensively. Zion erased, literally and figuratively, a lot of mistakes.
"In those seven days the roster outlook for head coach Mike Krzyzewski’s team hasn’t changed all that much from where it was earlier in the recruiting cycle for the class of 2019. Duke is expected to lose at least three players, but now there may be more than that. And with more potential openings there are more solutions needed."
What's the new info?
What's the new info?
This right here.
As weird as it is to say, I think one of our biggest problems was that we just didn't have enough people who could score. At least score consistently.
We had two people - Zion and RJ - that you could rely on for points. Just two. And RJ you could even kind of plan for because he wasn't a good outside shooter and can't drive right. Zion there isn't really any planning for. Sometimes Cam or Tre would come alive but you never knew what you'd get from them on offense game to game.
I was looking at a bunch of games from last year and that team had 4-5 guys that scored double digits nearly every single game. I think the truth is that Zion masked a lot of our offensive problems; dude carried us. Outside of Zion and RJ you have no one capable of consistent scoring.
Again, I don't know what the incoming freshman are like. But who remaining on our team is/can be a reliable scorer? I see one name - Alex. Some people keep saying how good we look next season; I'm not relying on Jack, Javin, Jordan, or Marques for offensive firepower. Joey is still a question mark.
Hopefully all three of Ellis, Moore, and Carey are offensive weapons - we're going to need every bit we can get.
Alex fell off his sophomore year but if he can show some improvement over where he was as a freshman, I agree he can be a scoring option. And Jack was a scoring option for about what, six weeks there in Nov/Dec? He was shooting 40%+ from 3 and seemed like he was going to average 12 and 8 for us. Then, 0 for 25 happened.
I don't think Javin or Jordan will ever be scorers. And I doubt Marques will be either. He definitely improved this year but I can't see him ever being better than a fourth option for us.
I guess my point is if Alex and Jack play as they're capable of playing, either (both?) could average double digit points with good shooting efficiency numbers. And that could be huge.
Because there one hell of a pay difference between the # 20th pick and the 10th pick.. you can wait one year and increase your pay 7 million over a 3 year deal.