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Dreshun Miller will soon find the grass is not always greener, and that chasing the short money can have significant consequences on long term success. While he may break the 2 deep at some point later in the season, perhaps once he knows the playbook a bit better, Auburn is stacked atCB, so its not looking promising.

Imagine, transferring from a program with Top Defense in the Country, playing as CB1 in a league known for passing, to chase a short term and probably very small paycheck and now significantly risking his chances to put enough on film for NFL scouts.

Talk about life choices, thats a tough one, I wish him the best, but if this continues this year, would be a perfect PitchBook for Brown to use for any future players considering a similar path.
 
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He will end up regretting it, just like Culver is right now regretting "going pro" and not even any euro teams have contacted him. He is probably done playing basketball for life now. Miller might screw up his chances of getting drafted and hinder his own development riding the pine. Kids these days...
 
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He will end up regretting it, just like Culver is right now regretting "going pro" and not even any euro teams have contacted him. He is probably done playing basketball for life now. Miller might screw up his chances of getting drafted and hinder his own development riding the pine. Kids these days...
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Culver gave up one more year at WVU and that's it. That year was not going to make him any better of a pro prospect or convince scouts his current skill set is more valuable. It was the same for Williams and Sags. I highly doubt Culver even wanted or cared about that final college ball year with the way he played at the end of last season. He also was a minimal factor in big competition games and really only seemed to shine when the opponent was outmatched.
 
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The Bell Tolls for Thee said:
Culver gave up one more year at WVU and that's it. That year was not going to make him any better of a pro prospect or convince scouts his current skill set is more valuable. It was the same for Williams and Sags. I highly doubt Culver even wanted or cared about that final college ball year with the way he played at the end of last season. He also was a minimal factor in big competition games and really only seemed to shine when the opponent was outmatched.
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He was First Team All-Big 12, but because he left Morgantown a year early, take a big dump on his head, right? Bob loves to have a guy who can score "close" and he'll miss not having one this season, I promise you that.
 
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He was First Team All-Big 12, but because he left Morgantown a year early, take a big dump on his head, right? Bob loves to have a guy who can score "close" and he'll miss not having one this season, I promise you that.
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Culver couldn't make a foul shot much less shoot 50% from inside, 46.5% to be exact and 57.6% from FT only thing that will be missed is his rebounding. Only reason he scored was he took so many foul shots. He scored a 1,036 points with 300 of them from the foul line. If he could have shot just 70% he could have won a lot more games. WVU was better team last year when he was on the bench.
 
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Culver couldn't make a foul shot much less shoot 50% from inside, 46.5% to be exact and 57.6% from FT only thing that will be missed is his rebounding. Only reason he scored was he took so many foul shots. He scored a 1,036 points with 300 of them from the foul line. If he could have shot just 70% he could have won a lot more games. WVU was better team last year when he was on the bench.
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I knew that you'd respond to my post, as you're the King of burying players and coaches who leave WVU. Nothing that you will post will change the fact that Culver was named first team all conference this season, and that his number was the one Huggins often called when WVU needed a bucket. Take a peek at the list of WVU basketball players who have been named First Team All-Big 12. It's a short list for sure.
 
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Nobody cares what you think about anything, band dork. School must have let out early today, and band practice canceled. If you'll wait just a few minutes, TrollVanZandt's vocational school will let out, and you two can exchange reach-arounds, your daily ritual on here.
 
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Nobody cares what you think about anything, band dork. School must have let out early today, and band practice canceled. If you'll wait just a few minutes, TrollVanZandt's vocational school will let out, and you two can exchange reach-arounds, your daily ritual on here.
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Hey, I got ahold of those (2) tickets you were looking for. Check your FB IM.
 
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Nobody cares what you think about anything, band dork. School must have let out early today, and band practice canceled. If you'll wait just a few minutes, TrollVanZandt's vocational school will let out, and you two can exchange reach-arounds, your daily ritual on here.
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Sorry...I dont swing like you do....
 
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I knew that you'd respond to my post, as you're the King of burying players and coaches who leave WVU. Nothing that you will post will change the fact that Culver was named first team all conference this season, and that his number was the one Huggins often called when WVU needed a bucket. Take a peek at the list of WVU basketball players who have been named First Team All-Big 12. It's a short list for sure.
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Can't help but reply to your stupidity. I keep hoping one day you'll finally be educated. The only thing that gets buried is you when you stick your head in the sand when you're wrong. That happens often.

What does Culver making first team have to do with him unable to score and unable to make foul shots? He scored his points because he took 25 foul shots a game and would make 14. It's a short list because they've been members for 9 years dumbass. This year marks 10th year? That's 1 player every 3 years. The first 2 were guards, Juwan Staten (2014-15) and Jevon Carter (2018).

Cunningham and Butler were the only unanimous selections in 2021.

WVU never had a lot of 1st team all conference members in Big East either.
 
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Can't help but reply to your stupidity. I keep hoping one day you'll finally be educated. The only thing that gets buried is you when you stick your head in the sand when you're wrong. That happens often.

What does Culver making first team have to do with him unable to score and unable to make foul shots? He scored his points because he took 25 foul shots a game and would make 14. It's a short list because they've been members for 9 years dumbass. This year marks 10th year? That's 1 player every 3 years. The first 2 were guards, Juwan Staten (2014-15) and Jevon Carter (2018).

Cunningham and Butler were the only unanimous selections in 2021.

WVU never had a lot of 1st team all conference members in Big East either.
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Typical over-the-top tantrum displayed by jilted ex-girlfriend. Read my fingers: DEREK CULVER WAS NAMED FIRST TEAM ALL-BIG 12. You're upset because he left WVU one year early. Get over it.
 
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He was First Team All-Big 12, but because he left Morgantown a year early, take a big dump on his head, right? Bob loves to have a guy who can score "close" and he'll miss not having one this season, I promise you that.
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Nothing in your reply has anything to do with my post. I didn't say that Culver wasn't first team Big 12 and I didn't say that WVU couldn't use him on the team. I said that another year playing at WVU was not going to expand his limited skill set and wasn't likely to convince prospective professional teams that he would be a more viable prospect next year than he is now. Therefore he would most likely be in the same boat he is now even with another year of playing for WVU and thus he only "gave up" one more year of college ball. It's a year that I'm not sure he wanted given his body language and effort down the stretch last year. Also it is true that when WVU was playing the better teams on the schedule, Culver struggled to be the center piece of the offense. Mostly because, as WVUALLEN pointed out, teams hacked away at him since he was less likely to score at the FT line than he was through a double team close to the basket.
 
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Bell: These were your comments to which my post #6 responded: "I highly doubt Culver even wanted or cared about that final college ball year with the way he played at the end of last season. He also was a minimal factor in big competition games and really only seemed to shine when the opponent was outmatched." That was pretty harsh criticism of a first-team all conference performer, don't you think? Having stated this, I agree with you that Culver had little to gain (basketball wise) by staying in college for another year.
 
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Bell: These were your comments to which my post #6 responded: "I highly doubt Culver even wanted or cared about that final college ball year with the way he played at the end of last season. He also was a minimal factor in big competition games and really only seemed to shine when the opponent was outmatched." That was pretty harsh criticism of a first-team all conference performer, don't you think? Having stated this, I agree with you that Culver had little to gain (basketball wise) by staying in college for another year.
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What you call harsh I call realistic. The question is why would a first team all Big 12 conference selection not even get a sniff from the lowest levels of professional basketball? I think it's obvious that he had/has some pretty big faults and weaknesses which other good players could exploit. Which is why against ranked teams he was diminished and in some cases, such as vs Syracuse last year, a near non-factor.
 
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What you call harsh I call realistic. The question is why would a first team all Big 12 conference selection not even get a sniff from the lowest levels of professional basketball? I think it's obvious that he had/has some pretty big faults and weaknesses which other good players could exploit. Which is why against ranked teams he was diminished and in some cases, such as vs Syracuse last year, a near non-factor.
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I'd be interested to see whether you made similar posts during the season. Nobody said that he was an NBA player, and that's far from the point. You posted that he was a "minimal factor in big competition games," which is b.s. Was Gonzaga any good? He had 18 points and 15 rebounds vs. the Zags. How about at Oklahoma State? Culver scored 22 points and pulled down 19 rebounds. You don't win that game without him. How about that home game vs. the Sooners? 29 and 14 okay with you? He also had a 19 and 9 game in a home win vs. Kansas. WVU got way more out of this guy--who was a personal train wreck in high school--than anybody could have reasonably expected, but you guys are killing him, anyway. Y'all should be happy with his big contribution to the WVU program, and that Huggins' risk on a very troubled kid paid off for the Old Gold & Blue.
 
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I'd be interested to see whether you made similar posts during the season. Nobody said that he was an NBA player, and that's far from the point. You posted that he was a "minimal factor in big competition games," which is b.s. Was Gonzaga any good? He had 18 points and 15 rebounds vs. the Zags. How about at Oklahoma State? Culver scored 22 points and pulled down 19 rebounds. You don't win that game without him. How about that home game vs. the Sooners? 29 and 14 okay with you? He also had a 19 and 9 game in a home win vs. Kansas. WVU got way more out of this guy--who was a personal train wreck in high school--than anybody could have reasonably expected, but you guys are killing him, anyway. Y'all should be happy with his big contribution to the WVU program, and that Huggins' risk on a very troubled kid paid off for the Old Gold & Blue.
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And despite all those things you just said, not a single rag tag professional basketball team is pursuing him. I never said he didn't have some good games against good teams, I'm saying he withered more often than say McBride who, despite not being first team Big 12, was an NBA prospect. Stats and awards are one thing, but the lack of professional interest speaks volumes more about Culver. Think of Noel Divine. Very useful player for WVU, but lacking the talents necessary for the NFL. Thus if he left WVU early, he was not giving up or diminishing his professional prospects, just a year playing college football. Same with Culver, although I stand by my assessment that I doubt he wanted that extra year.
 
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And despite all those things you just said, not a single rag tag professional basketball team is pursuing him. I never said he didn't have some good games against good teams, I'm saying he withered more often than say McBride who, despite not being first team Big 12, was an NBA prospect. Stats and awards are one thing, but the lack of professional interest speaks volumes more about Culver. Think of Noel Divine. Very useful player for WVU, but lacking the talents necessary for the NFL. Thus if he left WVU early, he was not giving up or diminishing his professional prospects, just a year playing college football. Same with Culver, although I stand by my assessment that I doubt he wanted that extra year.
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I don't disagree with anything in your post above, but who cares whether he's a pro? (He will be a pro somewhere, by the way.) He played at a first team all conference level for WVU, and that's what should matter to WVU fans, one would think. If being an NBA player means so much to you, then you must be really upset with the money being paid to your coach, as he went several years without developing a single NBA player. But this doesn't matter, other than on the recruiting trail.
 
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Bell: These were your comments to which my post #6 responded: "I highly doubt Culver even wanted or cared about that final college ball year with the way he played at the end of last season. He also was a minimal factor in big competition games and really only seemed to shine when the opponent was outmatched." That was pretty harsh criticism of a first-team all conference performer, don't you think? Having stated this, I agree with you that Culver had little to gain (basketball wise) by staying in college for another year.
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What happened to once a mountaineer always a mountaineer mantra you been spewing? Facts are not harsh criticism. You bring trolling to a new level. Congrats.
 
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I don't disagree with anything in your post above, but who cares whether he's a pro? (He will be a pro somewhere, by the way.) He played at a first team all conference level for WVU, and that's what should matter to WVU fans, one would think. If being an NBA player means so much to you, then you must be really upset with the money being paid to your coach, as he went several years without developing a single NBA player. But this doesn't matter, other than on the recruiting trail.
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This whole conversation is about Culver's pro prospects. Someone commented how Miller will regret transferring as it will hurt his professional aspirations and equated that to Culver. I replied that Culver staying another year at WVU was not going to improve his professional outlook and therefore staying another year at WVU was going be just that, another year of college basketball. Based upon the way he ended the season and his body language, I don't think he really loves the game enough to have put in another full season at WVU just for that season's sake. Especially take into account how he looked in the NCAA Tournament. He didn't look like he was having fun and he looked like he was just sick of grinding it out. So I speculated that if just having a successful college basketball season was his only motivation, that Culver wouldn't be putting in the effort he did for the first 1/2 to 2/3 of last season. That was the essence of the comment you replied to and took it off topic to "dumping on his head."
 
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We'll just have to agree to disagree (well sort of, anyway), Bell. You didn't just post about Culver's "pro prospects," and I quoted the very words that you used to blast his college performance. Let your mind travel back to when Culver was recruited, then think about his Freshman year...did you ever think that he'd be at WVU long enough to be a first team all conference performer? IIRC, he was kicked off of his high school team, and maybe even out of school, and Huggins suspended him early during his collegiate career. It's almost a miracle that WVU got what it did out of him, and for three seasons.
 
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We'll just have to agree to disagree (well sort of, anyway), Bell. You didn't just post about Culver's "pro prospects," and I quoted the very words that you used to blast his college performance. Let your mind travel back to when Culver was recruited, then think about his Freshman year...did you ever think that he'd be at WVU long enough to be a first team all conference performer? IIRC, he was kicked off of his high school team, and maybe even out of school, and Huggins suspended him early during his collegiate career. It's almost a miracle that WVU got what it did out of him, and for three seasons.
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And none of that changes that he really faltered at the end of last season. When WVU really needed him to push into the post season last year he was not the contributor he was earlier in the season. We can disagree as to why, but my belief is he just didn't want it anymore which may be partly due to the frustrations that other teams were really selling out against his strengths. Using other analogies, WVU shouldn't have expected what it got from Slaton, White, or Javon Carter. Doesn't mean that in the here and now commentary can't be made. By your reasoning of bringing up that WVU shouldn't of expected what it ultimately got out of Culver 3 years ago is akin to saying "WVU fans shouldn't have been upset by missing out on the MNC in 2007 because WVU fans were not expecting to be in that position 4 years earlier." As if that makes losing to a 4 win, 28 point underdog any less of screw-up when you have the more talented team.
 
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Culver gave up one more year at WVU and that's it. That year was not going to make him any better of a pro prospect or convince scouts his current skill set is more valuable. It was the same for Williams and Sags. I highly doubt Culver even wanted or cared about that final college ball year with the way he played at the end of last season. He also was a minimal factor in big competition games and really only seemed to shine when the opponent was outmatched.
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Yes Culver gave up the one year that now looks to have been the last potential year for him to play organized basketball ever. You dont think he will have regrets about that? Its not just about him being draftable or undraftable, its about him and his personal love of basketball. He left his last year of playing big time college basketball for nothing. I knew he wouldnt be drafted, and the only way he would be drafted ever is if he worked harder and improved especially his jump shot and had a monster senior season. I kind of thought he would get called up to a team overseas and I'm surprised he didnt. But he didnt. So yeah, basketball is done for him based on him deciding to leave. I would bet money that he wishes he could play one more year of ball at this point in time. He didnt want to post that he was done with "hoopshit" on his social media. He's obviously upset that he aint playin anymore, anywhere.
 
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Yes Culver gave up the one year that now looks to have been the last potential year for him to play organized basketball ever. You dont think he will have regrets about that? Its not just about him being draftable or undraftable, its about him and his personal love of basketball. He left his last year of playing big time college basketball for nothing. I knew he wouldnt be drafted, and the only way he would be drafted ever is if he worked harder and improved especially his jump shot and had a monster senior season. I kind of thought he would get called up to a team overseas and I'm surprised he didnt. But he didnt. So yeah, basketball is done for him based on him deciding to leave. I would bet money that he wishes he could play one more year of ball at this point in time. He didnt want to post that he was done with "hoopshit" on his social media. He's obviously upset that he aint playin anymore, anywhere.
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We'll have to agree to disagree because only Culver knows, but I don't think he wanted another year of organized basketball just for love of the game. Now maybe he'll regret it later, but in this moment I think he was tired of grinding it out at school and on the court for anything other than money. He was more than willing to sacrifice the possibility of his last chance to play organized ball in order to try and profit from it as soon as possible.
 
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