Duke lands another 5* recruit

[I’m The Village Idiot]

And, not to add insult to injury, but Scheyer is about to close on a couple of more elite players that Pope was highly coveting!

$22 million my backside!

Oh my goodness. Duke gets more freshmen??? Devastating!!! Truly devastating! They keep winning natties.

2026 - Duke
2025 - Duke
2024 - Duke
2023 - Duke
2022 - Calipari
2021 - Duke
2020 - Calipari

…oh wait, that’s false.

2025 - Florida
2024 - UConn
2023 - UConn
2022 - Kansas
2021 - Baylor
2019 - Virginia
2018 - Villanova
2017 - North Carolina
2016 - Villanova

Let’s panic!!!! (Not!)

 

[true-blue1]

And, not to add insult to injury, but Scheyer is about to close on a couple of more elite players that Pope was highly coveting!

$22 million my backside!

He’s getting ready to land Keita and Smith Jr. also.

 

[Goingfor9]

Money is doing everyone’s recruiting now, but let’s not split hairs here, the coaching staffs, particularly the head coach, still gets the credit!

If UK’s donors pay Stokes for Pope, does he not get the credit? Let’s all be mature adults here, and stop being sore losers…

Our rivals are taking UK’s lunch money right now, and we have every reason to be concerned!

I still think it’s school and staff first. Then the highest bidder. But yeah with money you can at least always have a competitive roster. We ll see this year what 20 mil gets you.

 

[kybassfan]

Money!! It’s a hit! There ain’t no doubt Duke’s got it!!!

Houses! Cars too. We even got ugly coeds just for you….

 

[One2Three]

Who cares if the Kansas and Dukes get a bunch of 5 star players. We know from our past coach that none of that matters if they and the coach don’t perform the way they’re expected.

The concern is Pope has whiffed out on virtually every highly ranked recruit he has gone after. The same is true in the portal with his highest rated recruit being a player who might not even play for us out of fear of re-injury. For whatever reason Pope can’t get the big guys despite going all in on them and that’s understandably spooked many Kentucky fans.

Time will see if he can fix it. He might have to be willing to make staff changes if he wants to get what he has promised fans.

 

[KYFOSSIL]

I really want to see how great Acuff, Thomas, Knox, Richmond would be if they are coached by Mark Pope

They are all more talented than our current players except for maybe JQ

I think theres a good chance Aberdeen is better than any of them

 

[true-blue1]

Money is doing everyone’s recruiting now, but let’s not split hairs here, the coaching staffs, particularly the head coach, still gets the credit!

If UK’s donors pay Stokes for Pope, does he not get the credit? Let’s all be mature adults here, and stop being sore losers…

Our rivals are taking UK’s lunch money right now, and we have every reason to be concerned!

We’re offering Holt more than anyone else and still can’t land him. So there’s a lot goes on behind the scenes. The staff thus far isn’t doing well at all on the recruiting front.

 

[flacat22]

Who’s better??

Anyone with his resources, the Nike money, NIL donors…don’t try to make it like he’s a wunderkind. Genghis Khan could recruit there. Has very little to do with Scheyer being a great recruiter.

 

[*Fox2Monk*]

I really want to see how great Acuff, Thomas, Knox, Richmond would be if they are coached by Mark Pope

They are all more talented than our current players except for maybe JQ

Maybe Pope should win those recruiting battles or start recruiting similar player types. We need athletes as well. I want shooting, passing, and ball handlers first but that kind of wing is crucial for defense.

 

[BarefootBeach]

Who cares if the Kansas and Dukes get a bunch of 5 star players. We know from our past coach that none of that matters if they and the coach don’t perform the way they’re expected.

The concern is Pope has whiffed out on virtually every highly ranked recruit he has gone after. The same is true in the portal with his highest rated recruit being a player who might not even play for us out of fear of re-injury. For whatever reason Pope can’t get the big guys despite going all in on them and that’s understandably spooked many Kentucky fans.

Time will see if he can fix it. He might have to be willing to make staff changes if he wants to get what he has promised fans.

Did he whiff on moreno and jasper? Is this where you rag on them too, like you do pope? Some fan.

 

[BarefootBeach]

Maybe Pope should win those recruiting battles or start recruiting similar player types. We need athletes as well. I want shooting, passing, and ball handlers first but that kind of wing is crucial for defense.

Sounds like you are a fan of Collins then.

 

[*Fox2Monk*]

Sounds like you are a fan of Collins then.

I haven’t seen much of his game to be honest. Kinda came out of nowhere in that recruitment. If he fits that prototype then yeah he’s gonna be valuable for that role. I have heard he is raw offensively though and that is what sucks. If he ever gets that together then watch out. He appears to need some weight training as well.

 

[JohnnyGreen]

Cam Williams committed to Duke
Do they have that much $$$$$ to spend?
With out a doubt, they are untouchable when it comes to recruiting.

There is still a lot of money these guys are getting under the table beyond NIL.

 

[One2Three]

Did he whiff on moreno and jasper? Is this where you rag on them too, like you do pope? Some fan.

How dare I be concerned about out-of-state recruiting. Everything is sunshine and roses, right?

He said he was going to recruit the best but so far, his results have left a lot to be desired. And the portal recruiting hasn’t exactly been sterling either.

The money is there, he can change his approach but it’ll likely require some self-reflection on his staff composition. If he’s determined to become a great coach he won’t hold loyalty over his staff if they aren’t bringing results. And so far they aren’t.

 

[BarefootBeach]

How dare I be concerned about out-of-state recruiting. Everything is sunshine and roses, right?

He said he was going to recruit the best but so far, his results have left a lot to be desired. And the portal recruiting hasn’t exactly been sterling either.

The money is there, he can change his approach but it’ll likely require some self-reflection on his staff composition. If he’s determined to become a great coach he won’t hold loyalty over his staff if they aren’t bringing results. And so far they aren’t.

Awww, okay, the old moreno and jasper don't count because they aren't "out-of-state" angle.

 

[BlueBlood96Cat]

Awww, okay, the old moreno and jasper don't count because they aren't "out-of-state" angle.

I’m glad we got them but do they really count as far as recruiting wins? Moreno was never going anywhere else and JJ maybe we beat out bama for him but also he’s not really a top tier prospect. He will be great in time but rn he’s your typical freshman. Pope has struck out on any difference makers he’s went after.

 

[KYFOSSIL]

I’m glad we got them but do they really count as far as recruiting wins? Moreno was never going anywhere else and JJ maybe we beat out bama for him but also he’s not really a top tier prospect. He will be great in time but rn he’s your typical freshman. Pope has struck out on any difference makers he’s went after.

Well, if they don't come to us, you would've counted them as they recruiting loss so I think it's only fair to consider them a win

 

[BlueBlood96Cat]

Well, if they don't come to us, you would've counted them as they recruiting loss so I think it's only fair to consider them a win

Yea that’s fair to say that. It actually would have been extremely concerning to lose out on them.

 

[Anon1759768907]

Yea that’s fair to say that. It actually would have been extremely concerning to lose out on them.

jj was so close to going to bama too which is crazy

 

[BarefootBeach]

I’m glad we got them but do they really count as far as recruiting wins? Moreno was never going anywhere else and JJ maybe we beat out bama for him but also he’s not really a top tier prospect. He will be great in time but rn he’s your typical freshman. Pope has struck out on any difference makers he’s went after.

I understand what you are saying but I do consider them recruiting wins. Lots of big schools were after them. Pope was brand new to them and he came from BYU so he did have a hill to climb. This year we're only signing 2 or possibly 3 players overall. It seems like he wants collins and stokes, who we are waiting on. If we strike out on hs guards there should be some good ones in the portal. I really do not worry about recruiting.

 

[bigblueinsanity (the real)]

Money!! It’s a hit! There ain’t no doubt Duke’s got it!!!

Houses! Cars too. We even got ugly coeds just for you….

The huge advantage duke has is the ancillary nil they can get players. UK pays the most direct nil but at duke they get nike money, aau teams, ESPN pushes the kids' branding which gets them national ads, the impact of which is multiplicative over an nba career.

There is just never going to be a situation where we can outspend Duke on a guy they want. We really need to get creative like adding a fee to every ticket sold or something to compete with them.

Short of stealing their nike relationship, cuts of ticket sales is the only way i can think, especially for neutral site games

 

[CRZ4UK]

Scheyer is the best recruiter in college basketball.

False. He couldn’t recruit 4 stars to Houston if he was there.
Nike is the best recruiter in college basketball.
Nike recruits for Duke. 20 coaches would recruit just like Scheyer if there.

 

[I’m The Village Idiot]

I’m glad we got them but do they really count as far as recruiting wins? Moreno was never going anywhere else and JJ maybe we beat out bama for him but also he’s not really a top tier prospect. He will be great in time but rn he’s your typical freshman. Pope has struck out on any difference makers he’s went after.

Yes, next season when we are boat racing teams with those two as sensational sophomores, the opposing team won’t feel any solace in knowing they were just in-state kids

 

[CRZ4UK]

Well Duke always waxed Caliparis *** when they went head to head on a recruit and NOBODY gave the keys to freshmen like Calipari.

Not until Cal went to 3 FF with freshman. Early Cal got any freshmen he wanted. Nike turned that around for K. Cal pissed them off by NOT wanting to play in their early tournaments. Nike began sending them to Duke after that.
Cal thought he was bigger than Nike. He thought his reputation would outbid Nikes
He was not correct.
That’s when Duke began pulling the elite freshman and Cals decline began.

 

[kybassfan]

The huge advantage duke has is the ancillary nil they can get players. UK pays the most direct nil but at duke they get nike money, aau teams, ESPN pushes the kids' branding which gets them national ads, the impact of which is multiplicative over an nba career.

There is just never going to be a situation where we can outspend Duke on a guy they want. We really need to get creative like adding a fee to every ticket sold or something to compete with them.

Short of stealing their nike relationship, cuts of ticket sales is the only way i can think, especially for neutral site games

Good perspective, though I think this somewhat more complex. This doesn’t factor in revenue sharing nor does it include market size. Duke also faces the same problem we do in that their 3rd, 4th and 5th picks are someone else’s first.

Also I think Duke is still thriving somewhat in their paragon’s shadow. Their legacy draw may be stronger than ours but this effect will fade for both over time.

In the end, this will come down to money which will be a function of marketshare. The question is whether the NCAA or whatever entity exists after they dissolve can put enough lipstick on that pig. My personal opinion is that this will fail long term.

 

[BlueBlood96Cat]

Yes, next season when we are boat racing teams with those two as sensational sophomores, the opposing team won’t feel any solace in knowing they were just in-state kids

I agree with you. Hopefully they come back to Kentucky. Not guaranteed these days.

Not until Cal went to 3 FF with freshman. Early Cal got any freshmen he wanted. Nike turned that around for K. Cal pissed them off by NOT wanting to play in their early tournaments. Nike began sending them to Duke after that.
Cal thought he was bigger than Nike. He thought his reputation would outbid Nikes
He was not correct.
That’s when Duke began pulling the elite freshman and Cals decline began.

yea about that. Cal pissed Nike off. Can Pope not mend that? I mean surely we are way more profitable than Duke I would assume right? Nike would want to help us right?

 

[bigblueinsanity (the real)]

Good perspective, though I think this somewhat more complex. This doesn’t factor in revenue sharing nor does it include market size. Duke also faces the same problem we do in that their 3rd, 4th and 5th picks are someone else’s first.

Also I think Duke is still thriving somewhat in their paragon’s shadow. Their legacy draw may be stronger than ours but this effect will fade for both over time.

In the end, this will come down to money which will be a function of marketshare. The question is whether the NCAA or whatever entity exists after they dissolve can put enough lipstick on that pig. My personal opinion is that this will fail long term.

No way to compare their revenue share because we don't know their revenue. Theyre a private school.

https://www.wsj.com/sports/basketball/duke-cooper-flagg-nil-collective-ncaa-tournament-final-four-196aa6b1?mod=RSSMSN

This is an article that goes through some of their insane money and the fact much of it comes from undisclosed places.

No one js competing with that. If they want a guy, they're getting him.

 

[kybassfan]

No way to compare their revenue share because we don't know their revenue. Theyre a private school.

https://www.wsj.com/sports/basketball/duke-cooper-flagg-nil-collective-ncaa-tournament-final-four-196aa6b1?mod=RSSMSN

This is an article that goes through some of their insane money and the fact much of it comes from undisclosed places.

No one js competing with that. If they want a guy, they're getting him.

I think the revenue on the table is tv contacts with the NCAA, conference and school. Those are all pretty much public record. The overall university revenue is not in play but you are correct. I don’t think we have any knowledge of that. I just don’t think the court ruling puts that in scope. That’s just me reading between the lines.

 

[bigblueinsanity (the real)]

I think the revenue on the table is tv contacts with the NCAA, conference and school. Those are all pretty much public record. The overall university revenue is not in play but you are correct. I don’t think we have any knowledge of that. I just don’t think the court ruling puts that in scope. That’s just me reading between the lines.

For a private school, nothing is public record. Duke used that to their advantage for years dating back to cost of attendance adjustment. They were legally allowed to pay players whatever they wanted well before nil.

 

[wildcatdon]

Bingo. This is another thing that has culminated into the Duke brand being given way unfair advantages. Coach K kept team USA for himself when other men said it’s not a seat 1 man should keep. Dean Smith could have kept it and didn’t.

Duke isn’t doing this because of scheyer, he’s just a gatekeeper. He was handed a golden staff which can’t fail. It wouldn’t suprise me if they didn’t hardly hear from him at all until just before campus. This is all behind the scenes corruption because coach K was the most corrupt man to ever grace the sidelines.

K and Wooden.

 

[Kentucky15]

K and Wooden.

Who ya got? I’ve got K ahead. To me, Wooden doesn’t seem as malicious. Coach K was even a devil, almost a sign from Jesus himself to stay away from it.

I know my father absolutely despises Wooden I heard non stop in the car, at home, at church, birthday parties, on the phone, out to eat….

 

[NociHTTP]

Did he whiff on moreno and jasper? Is this where you rag on them too, like you do pope? Some fan.

How about you worry about your own fandom.