This will be the toughest game yet . I think their inside game will definitely give us tons of problems, especially now that it appears there will be no Jefferson in the paint. I feel like Plumlee fouls out early in this one and then the real trouble starts. Hopefully Jeter can help with the cause in this one, he will be needed. I hate a couple things about the UVA game, first, everyone is on the "Duke gets all the calls" wagon this week which will equate to us getting few in the upcoming game. I also hate Grayson wasted that type of a game winner on the Hoo's, that was the exact play I had drawn up to beat the Heels with. How joyous would that be? LOL. I like Grayson, Matt and Brandon to hit a lot of 3's on that weak UNC perimeter D. I just don't know if it will be enough to overcome the points in the paint and rebound differences. I see DT having turnover issues in this one, his first unc matchup, nerves will be at an all time high. I kinda hope K lets him play through it if he comes out clunky.
Duke vs UNCheat at Chapel Hill discussion.
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I think it will be a pretty good game....they usually are with the Heels.
They have more room for error than we do, but in a close game down the stretch I'll like our chances with Grayson and Brandon.
It's so incredibly hard to win on the road in the ACC. If I'm a betting man, and I ain't, I'd say Heels win something like 81-74.
Three weeks ago Heels fans thought they were light years better than this Duke club. And while they still might be better overall, the disparity isn't as great as they believed.
They have more room for error than we do, but in a close game down the stretch I'll like our chances with Grayson and Brandon.
It's so incredibly hard to win on the road in the ACC. If I'm a betting man, and I ain't, I'd say Heels win something like 81-74.
Three weeks ago Heels fans thought they were light years better than this Duke club. And while they still might be better overall, the disparity isn't as great as they believed.
If Amile doesn't play, I think we play a ton of zone to try to save our legs and avoid foul issues for the first 20-30 minutes of the game -- as we did against Miami. Won't be effective at stopping them, but will protect us a bit and will hopefully slow down the pace of the game. If we can keep it close, that would then give us a chance to steal the game with our starters in the last 5-10 minutes. With our depth situation and the pace that UNC plays the game, I don't think there's anyway we can play 40 minutes of man-to-man defense on the road against them.
I think our 11-12 is clearly the model we have to follow -- i.e., make a high volume of 3s, try to slow the game down as much as possible by being deliberate on offense, and don't let UNC run out to a very big lead. In a possession-by-possession game late, you never know what will happen. IMO, we clearly have the 2 most talented perimeter / wing players (at least from an NBA perspective) to make plays in late game situations.
As for Grayson, I think that play will certainly help him. Kid's confidence should be through the roof. And that's exactly what we need. Grayson shot the ball terribly last night from the perimeter. We're going to need him to be hot from 3 to have much chance at all.
I think our 11-12 is clearly the model we have to follow -- i.e., make a high volume of 3s, try to slow the game down as much as possible by being deliberate on offense, and don't let UNC run out to a very big lead. In a possession-by-possession game late, you never know what will happen. IMO, we clearly have the 2 most talented perimeter / wing players (at least from an NBA perspective) to make plays in late game situations.
As for Grayson, I think that play will certainly help him. Kid's confidence should be through the roof. And that's exactly what we need. Grayson shot the ball terribly last night from the perimeter. We're going to need him to be hot from 3 to have much chance at all.
I'm expecting a track meet. Game in the 80's, 90's if both teams are hot.
Out in Chatlotte last night with Duke jacket on & the anti-Blue Devil crowd was present. I truly enjoy how much Heels fans hate us. Wed nite is huge for them, a loss would catastrophic from a mental standpoint.
Out in Chatlotte last night with Duke jacket on & the anti-Blue Devil crowd was present. I truly enjoy how much Heels fans hate us. Wed nite is huge for them, a loss would catastrophic from a mental standpoint.
This is their best chance to beat us in awhile. If the Devils are able to win this one, you'll never see a meltdown at THR that will compare to it. I guess we're due to lose...but let's don't!
Go Duke!
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Go Duke!
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I agree Show..going to be tough inside and I expect foul trouble. Maybe Amile will play Wed night..it would be helpful if he could give us ten good minutes.
I think we will have to shoot the three ball well and some zone would be nice to save energy and fouls for the home stretch. UNC doesn't shoot particularly well.
Figure out a way to defend the paint and rebound without foul problems we could win. That's a tall ask I feel though..
I expect UNC to win by about ten.
I think we will have to shoot the three ball well and some zone would be nice to save energy and fouls for the home stretch. UNC doesn't shoot particularly well.
Figure out a way to defend the paint and rebound without foul problems we could win. That's a tall ask I feel though..
I expect UNC to win by about ten.
We are getting better and better and I think we rise to the challenge wed. They might be "better" but they aren't playing very good at all the past few games. If we play zone we better clog the lane but I prefer man to man in this game. I can see us winning no doubt about it they won't sweep us IMO and often times we play them better in the dome than at cameron
Well obviously Duke needs to shoot well. I think Obi might get some decent minutes to help against their size. If UNC shoots really well fro the outside, that will spell trouble for Duke. They are going to get points inside, Duke just can't afford them to shoot well outside too.
Duke wins..... Because that's what we do. K finds away, adds some wrinkles and the deep ball falls in a major way. We will get unlimited looks from deep, just gotta it hit them early and often. Their size will certainly present issues but we've doing a GREAT job of team rebounding. Marshall and Ingram can even hold their own against their bigs 2 on 2. Problem is they have 4 of them. Fouls scare the ish outa me. Also they can knock down the jump shot at times, Marshall cannot step out and also protect the rim. I suspect Brandon troubles Bryce more so then vice versa.
To be honest I'm confident as hell, we've got a ton of weapons. Luke could be MAJOR
To be honest I'm confident as hell, we've got a ton of weapons. Luke could be MAJOR
Yes it is. Duke has been abusing 'em since 1999 ( 27-12 or thereabouts ) and if the holes don't get some measure of payback this season , they won't be getting any in the near future. Unfortunately , I just don't see Duke hanging with 'em. unx's shooting woes will disappear ( at least for a night ) and they just have too many bodies. God forbid Duke get in early foul trouble...which I fully expect 'em to do. Hate to be the buzzkill but I see those cheating scumbags winning pretty easily. Double-digits. Would love to be wrong though.
Show I agree. K needs to get Jeter and Obi in on this one. Fill the paint and cause problems for Meeks and Johnson. Plumlee/Jeter can play Johnson and Obi can handle Meeks. Save Plumlee as much as possible until the 2nd half if he gets a few early fouls. Also agree about the 3 ball. Which 3 shooting team is going to show is the biggest question. If we start missing 3's I don't see us winning. If we can hit the 3 ball, that will open up the drive and start getting fouls.
But....if you guys paid the correct amount to the refs, there is no way we lose.
I think Kennard has to score and we hope Paige does not find his shot.
Another thing. unx has completely tarnished the rivalry. There was always something kinda "pure" ( for lack of a better word ) for the Duke/unx series. Two schools just miles apart , different shades of blue , historic games , true student athletes representing the best of what collegiate athletics should be about yada yada yada. All that's gone forever now. One wonders if this woulda been a rivalry in name only if one school hadn't been run by the most soulless , conniving , cynical , hypocritical , depraved , win-at-all-costs scumbags on the planet. Duke did well versus 'em when Dean was producing early NBA-entrants every season...long before Duke was. How many of those guys should've never been admitted to unx in the first place ( much less be able to stay eligible! ) were it not for paper classes , independent study , felons providing "goodies" for athletes and a ton of "adults" either facilitating the fraud or looking the other way? The last 5+ years have cast an entirely new perspective on the rivalry...one that can't be overlooked or ignored and it's just sad as heck to anyone who grew up in and around all things "Duke/unx." Thanks alot , holes.
3 weeks ago, I UNC would have won easily. Now, I think it is a toss up. We looked much better today, but have been in a funk as of late.
2 things really scare me about the game. Ingram and the 3 ball. As long as one of them is shutdown, I feel good. But if BI and the 3 ball get going for Duke, we will be in trouble.
Regardless, should be a lot of fun. Heading down there Wed morning and will be at the game
2 things really scare me about the game. Ingram and the 3 ball. As long as one of them is shutdown, I feel good. But if BI and the 3 ball get going for Duke, we will be in trouble.
Regardless, should be a lot of fun. Heading down there Wed morning and will be at the game
It'll be 6 on 10-11..... They are always deeper. Who cares. Roy is there coach.
I think Johnson and Jackson will be on Ingram. I would like to see Meeks at the three point line trying to defend. That would be time to dribble drive Mr Meeks to school.
I agree, I don't think the Cheats have a player as good as Ingram but I also don't see us staying with their bigs and staying out of foul trouble. If Marshall must guard them hard he will foul out. They have four times as many big fouls to give up as we do. We better be careful not to get too many charge calls against us also. If Ingram can get 18, Kennard 15 and Grayson 25 it will be close. We will need to burn the nets with the 3 to stay in the game and get a win. A win at UNCheats would make our season so much easier to digest.
Interesting to see the Defense. IF duke goes man, thornton is the only one that can stay with Paige. That leaves Luke/Matt playing the 3 so If Matt is hitting his 3's luke might not get a ton of minutes similar to Virginia. If Matt isn't hitting then luke will get some burn. I wouldn't be shocked to see zone though.
I hope we win on a bad call.
Wish we had Jah for this one. Wait, that still doesn't beat a Junior Meeks. Damn.
Duke ALWAYS wins on a bad call. Didn't ya already know that? lulz
I hope K gets this W, it being Roy's last game vs Duke in the Dean Dome and all.
We have K. They have Roy. Do I think they are better? Yes. Are we coming along? Possibly. But since we have the GOAT, I never go against Duke.
I will take UNC. Home court. Coming off a win where it looked like things clicked for them.
Duke is coming in hot too, however.
If I am to be wrong about who wins, then Duke is going to get 12+ 3s made.
Imo.
Duke is coming in hot too, however.
If I am to be wrong about who wins, then Duke is going to get 12+ 3s made.
Imo.
I agree that UNC will and should be the favorite. With that said, predicting 12+s 3s for the upset is not exactly going out on the limb. Duke is averaging slightly more than 10+ made 3s per game this season. In other words, it really only takes a slightly better than average performance for Duke to hit the number you suggested. IMO, Duke not only needs to hit 10+ 3s -- which I fully expect we will-- they need to get to the foul line and make a decent percentage. Duke nearly blew the UVA game by going 9 of 16, including 2 missed front ends of 1-and-1s during a key stretch of the second half and Grayson missing 2 with about 25 seconds left. Assuming Amile is out -- IMO -- the interesting matchup will be Brandon Ingram v. Brice Johnson. While Ingram's obviously going to need doubles to defend Brice, it will be interesting to see if Brice can stay with Brandon on the other end. Winslow successfully drove Brice into foul trouble last year, and I suspect that will be Duke's gameplan to get him out of the game again. I think that could be the key matchup. While UNC's going to dominate the glass with its big lineup, it's going to have a lot of problems defending the 3 pt. line with that big lineup -- meaning Duke will have a shot to shoot its way to victory lane. Obviously, if Duke is off, then they'll lose. If they're on, though, it may be a different story.
I personally think the thing that will torpedo is depth without Amile.
As aah pointed out, Duke making 12 or more three's in a game isn't totally unrealistic. We do average slightly over 10. But I would agree that if we only make, say 6-8 or so, then we're going to have almost an impossible shot at winning the game.
While I think UNC creates problems for us, they same can be said the other way too. And while I expect escalated intensity for both teams this UNC team isn't known for their rebounding like in the past.
For Duke, I really think this is the kind of game where depth can catch up to them. While playing on the road and at home with primarily six guys is tough in and of itself, it's also the first game in the rivalry for three of our six guys. And each one of us knows that sometimes freshmen 'waste' energy more than veteran players. On top of that, the ups and down, combined with the racheted up intensity can also be a recipe for disaster....and sometimes not just for freshman.
I see UNC winning the game, but I don't see Duke getting buried. And if we have a shot in the last five minutes or so anything can happen.
Got that right Show! Wouldnt it be something if Roy and Swoffy went out this year together?? Theres always hope- the Sunday we went over there minus Carlos after UM sr nite loss in '01 I felt somewhat the same way...We were blazin sixguns and never looked back!
This will be the lowest we are ranked against UNC since the unranked 95-96 seasons. Aside from that, you have to go all the way back to 1984 to find us lower ranked than #20.
My biggest concern is Brice. It would have been to see him vs amile. Marshall is gonna have to have a great game for us to win