Edge stalling

maxpain

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Can someone please explain the difference between the edge stall calls tonight at 157, 174, and 184? Minto backed straight off multiple times and was only hit once. Allred backed straight out once in the 1st and once in the 2nd and no stall calls. But he hit Jordan in OT when they just had a huge scramble on the edge.

Where is the consistency?
 
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Can someone please explain the difference between the edge stall calls tonight at 157, 174, and 184? Minto backed straight off multiple times and was only hit once. Allred backed straight out once in the 1st and once in the 2nd and no stall calls. But he hit Jordan in OT when they just had a huge scramble on the edge.

Where is the consistency?
I think the problem with your question is, you’re looking for consistency from Rivera. He likes to switch it up and change what is or isn’t stalling on a whim. He does even know.
 

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Can someone please explain the difference between the edge stall calls tonight at 157, 174, and 184? Minto backed straight off multiple times and was only hit once. Allred backed straight out once in the 1st and once in the 2nd and no stall calls. But he hit Jordan in OT when they just had a huge scramble on the edge.

Where is the consistency?
It was hard core home cooking. They didn’t try to hide the fact they were doing everything to help Nebraska win. In the replay of Bailey’s take down, Sparks and his partner walked through it in slow motion and were convinced it was clearly a takedown. They just fell silent when Angel confirmed his own **** call. That would have been a nice boost to his record and confidence.
 

WhiteDog125

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It was hard core home cooking. They didn’t try to hide the fact they were doing everything to help Nebraska win. In the replay of Bailey’s take down, Sparks and his partner walked through it in slow motion and were convinced it was clearly a takedown. They just fell silent when Angel confirmed his own **** call. That would have been a nice boost to his record and confidence.
Angel like most is very anti Iowa. Even though they are completely irrelevant as far as contending for a title goes, they still will bury Iowa any chance they get if you haven’t noticed. The brands bros do not help.
 

HawkDay1

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This is the thing, there is no consistency with that call. Its all judgemental depending upon who the ref is and we all know Angel isnt a competent ref. Its these calls that ruin matches. Angel is just a terrible ref at best. Always gotta be touching everyone and has to be animated about everything, hes a ******* clown. Nobody is there to see you dipshit!
 

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can you really be shocked when Angel makes a call like that though? no. so be prepared and know you have to do everything you can to not put yourself in situations where he can pull that crap.
maybe I have little patience for JW in that situation after him dropping points at ISU for stopping wrestling at the edge.
 
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trfhawk

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Can someone please explain the difference between the edge stall calls tonight at 157, 174, and 184? Minto backed straight off multiple times and was only hit once. Allred backed straight out once in the 1st and once in the 2nd and no stall calls. But he hit Jordan in OT when they just had a huge scramble on the edge.

Where is the consistency?
I wrestled through high school and college and have watched thousands of matches since. The stall calls in wrestling are akin to pass interference in football. There is not nor has there ever been any consistency in the way they are called.
 

Crablegs1

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Watch the JW situation again. They scramble towards the edge, then he just plants there on his knee. He wasn’t even engaged with Hardy, and had plenty of opportunity to get up and circle back in. He decided he’d rather just stay on a knee and get pushed out. I think it was the right call, and unfortunate for JW who was wrestling very well.

Don’t remember the other calls, but in general the edge stall call is terrible.
 
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maxpain

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Watch the JW situation again. They scramble towards the edge, then he just plants there on his knee. He wasn’t even engaged with Hardy, and had plenty of opportunity to get up and circle back in. He decided he’d rather just stay on a knee and get pushed out. I think it was the right call, and unfortunate for JW who was wrestling very well.

Don’t remember the other calls, but in general the edge stall call is terrible.

2 things. 1st, That scramble lasted almost 40 seconds and I don’t think JW even knew he was that close to the edge until Taylor started pushing him. 2nd, Taylor straight arm pushed him out so if you want to be technical it’s a stall on Taylor per the rulebook.
 

kingstown

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Can someone please explain the difference between the edge stall calls tonight at 157, 174, and 184? Minto backed straight off multiple times and was only hit once. Allred backed straight out once in the 1st and once in the 2nd and no stall calls. But he hit Jordan in OT when they just had a huge scramble on the edge.

Where is the consistency?
Animated Angel Wings
 

FF141

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2 things. 1st, That scramble lasted almost 40 seconds and I don’t think JW even knew he was that close to the edge until Taylor started pushing him. 2nd, Taylor straight arm pushed him out so if you want to be technical it’s a stall on Taylor per the rulebook.
This was my interpretation. I’m a pro push out person but be consistent. Williams was dug in and didn’t back out. He was gassed and I think he loses n the end but let them finish it on the mat.
 

McUSA

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Watch the JW situation again. They scramble towards the edge, then he just plants there on his knee. He wasn’t even engaged with Hardy, and had plenty of opportunity to get up and circle back in. He decided he’d rather just stay on a knee and get pushed out. I think it was the right call, and unfortunate for JW who was wrestling very well.

Don’t remember the other calls, but in general the edge stall call is terrible.
Agreed. Just don’t think you make that call to decide the match unless it’s blatant. Only Angel makes that call. He’s that ref that calls PI on a desperation Hail Mary with time expiring. Especially when Bo Pelini is the opposing coach and in his ear all game.

Question — are refs evaluated and graded? I believe crews are graded after each game in football and highest graded are used in post season. There needs to be accountability to uphold a standard of consistency and fairness.
 

MVPFAN

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Watch the JW situation again. They scramble towards the edge, then he just plants there on his knee. He wasn’t even engaged with Hardy, and had plenty of opportunity to get up and circle back in. He decided he’d rather just stay on a knee and get pushed out. I think it was the right call, and unfortunate for JW who was wrestling very well.

Don’t remember the other calls, but in general the edge stall call is terrible.
The key there is he was pushed out, it's supposed to be action or stalling on the guy pushing in that circumstance. It wasn't an offensive attempt it was a flat out push and a **** call.
 

Crablegs1

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The key there is he was pushed out, it's supposed to be action or stalling on the guy pushing in that circumstance. It wasn't an offensive attempt it was a flat out push and a **** call.
I get that, and would agree if Williams made a single attempt to get back to the middle. But he didn’t take one forward or circle step. He went straight back.

For reference, here is where the scramble ended. Taylor wasn’t anywhere close to Williams. He had plenty of space and time to circle in, but made a choice to stay on his knee almost completely out of bounds.

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FF141

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I get that, and would agree if Williams made a single attempt to get back to the middle. But he didn’t take one forward or circle step. He went straight back.

For reference, here is where the scramble ended. Taylor wasn’t anywhere close to Williams. He had plenty of space and time to circle in, but made a choice to stay on his knee almost completely out of bounds.

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Conveniently from a screenshot. He engaged him when he was already OOB. He dug his feet in and was pushing back. Never stepped backwards. It should have been whistled action or stall against Antrell by rule.
 

Hawkeye89

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The problem I had with the stall calls is I foolishly expected Nebraska would be held to the same standard in the second half of the dual. There were several times they should have been called for blatanly backing out of bounds.
Minto should have been dinged more than he was. The one match in the back half that stuck out to me the most.
 

PUR158

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Agreed. Just don’t think you make that call to decide the match unless it’s blatant. Only Angel makes that call. He’s that ref that calls PI on a desperation Hail Mary with time expiring. Especially when Bo Pelini is the opposing coach and in his ear all game.

Question — are refs evaluated and graded? I believe crews are graded after each game in football and highest graded are used in post season. There needs to be accountability to uphold a standard of consistency and fairness.
I will say, Angel is consistently terrible. 2021 NCAA finals he hit RBY with 2 stall calls in the last 10 seconds to send the match with Fix to OT.
 

Anon1750875978

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Jordan Williams looks like he's kind of a mental case with his lackadaisical mannerisms.

Might just be his personna, but I would think he's difficult to coach.

That said...no way in hell is he a threat to AA because he is simply too small.
 

STtiger2025

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Watch the JW situation again. They scramble towards the edge, then he just plants there on his knee. He wasn’t even engaged with Hardy, and had plenty of opportunity to get up and circle back in. He decided he’d rather just stay on a knee and get pushed out. I think it was the right call, and unfortunate for JW who was wrestling very well.

Don’t remember the other calls, but in general the edge stall call is terrible.
Totally agree with this. Imo he had to know that if he just allowed himself to be pushed out the match was most likely over. Disappointing way to end the match for sure.
 

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Totally agree with this. Imo he had to know that if he just allowed himself to be pushed out the match was most likely over. Disappointing way to end the match for sure.
When he rolled on his back check out the look he gave the ref he knew it was coming
 

maxpain

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When he rolled on his back check out the look he gave the ref he knew it was coming
His reaction to that and once Taylor started pushing is what makes me think he didn’t realize he was on the line. Still, given the whole exchange in context it shouldn’t have been a stall. JW worked to get back in bounds multiple times during the exchange and was trying to score right before Taylor shucked him off
 
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Jordan Williams looks like he's kind of a mental case with his lackadaisical mannerisms.

Might just be his personna, but I would think he's difficult to coach.

That said...no way in hell is he a threat to AA because he is simply too small.
No way he is a threat to AA? He most definitely is with his skill set, it’s between the ears only. If he can dial in the smarts for a few days in march he definitely can aa.
 

Anon1750875978

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No way he is a threat to AA? He most definitely is with his skill set, it’s between the ears only. If he can dial in the smarts for a few days in march he definitely can aa.
We haven't seen it all season, but he's going to suddenly do it in March?

I would love if that happens, but there's nothing to indicate it will.
 

cjr1310

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Sorry if already discussed PL got hit with drop down stall call with 1:06 in the second and then at end of the match shouldn't it have been 2-2?
The first time Gibbons thought there was a stall wasn’t a stall call. You could hear Angel saying that red put themselves in the position and no count. It was whistled dead for a stalemate, not a stall but Gibbons said it was a stall on the broadcast. When the wrestlers went back to center you could see Rivera tell Minto there was no stall.
 

kingstown

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No way he is a threat to AA? He most definitely is with his skill set, it’s between the ears only. If he can dial in the smarts for a few days in march he definitely can aa.
I would be very surprised if he becomes an AA, but yes it is possible. He just doesn't have that aura of a gritty guy on the backside. He simply stops wrestling too many times.
 

dgordo

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I believe angel didn’t even know when he made the call that the match was in sv. You can see after he makes the stall call he signals the wrestlers to a neutral start.

 

deerwrestler

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I was also confused by that. Why didn't the second stall call on Patrick Kennedy result in a point?
I believe it was a stalemate and not a stall. Announcers said stall, but Angel show stalemate. So in OT, they thought it was his second and so did Minto, he looked confused when he asked Angel, doesn't he have a stall and Angel said no. Minto's body language was down after that.
 
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