Falzon transfering
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Yikes, that's an indictment. If he's healthy enough to play as a senior on a team that desperately needs shooting and has plenty of minutes available, but he doesn't want to stay?
Time will tell, but I have to think this is one of two things:
1) Him wanting to be a top 2 or 3 player on a team rather than the role he currently has on this NU team. With this, I'd expect him to transfer to a smaller school in the Northeast (similar to the Colgate transfer for Rap).
2) A desire to spend his last year playing college basketball on a team with higher aspirations. It's no secret that next year on paper looks like a tough rebuilding type year for NU.
I really don't believe he has any ill will towards NU. Him and Collins appear to have a good relationship and he knows that his time here was marred by injuries, not anything else.
Or Collins told him that there wouldn't be minutes available, or sufficient minutes to Aaron's desire for what he wanted to do. Remember, Falzon only saw non-garbage time minutes in conference season due to Nance getting mono. Obviously that's Collins putting himself on the line if he thinks that between the returning players and incoming recruits there's no room for Aaron to play the level of minutes that Aaron thinks he can play.
Well, I predicted this one too. Damn, the team is turning into a dumpster fire. Nine schollies under contract. One aging verbal. Now three empty slots.
Within - one bad center, one disappointing transfer, three frosh that did not put up Shurna/Coble/Juice/pick frosh star from the past numbers, one Nash like emerging player, one unknown redshirted project, three true freshmen.
Starting lineup of Greer or Turner, Gaines, Kopp, Nance and Benson unless we catch more lightening in a bottle w a true frosh unseating someone. Still, those frosh will play. They simply will have to with the inevitable injuries, Benson’s fouls and so on.
We can’t even burn the extra schollies on walkons. Down to just one of them.
While this team has some highly regarded recruits, it is a disaster. And no relief in sight.
Within - one bad center, one disappointing transfer, three frosh that did not put up Shurna/Coble/Juice/pick frosh star from the past numbers, one Nash like emerging player, one unknown redshirted project, three true freshmen.
Starting lineup of Greer or Turner, Gaines, Kopp, Nance and Benson unless we catch more lightening in a bottle w a true frosh unseating someone. Still, those frosh will play. They simply will have to with the inevitable injuries, Benson’s fouls and so on.
We can’t even burn the extra schollies on walkons. Down to just one of them.
While this team has some highly regarded recruits, it is a disaster. And no relief in sight.
Yeah, I mean, I'd call that an indictment on the state of the program from someone who's inside it. I'm not trying to say it's a bad blood situation.
The other reality is, he shot 31% from 3 this year. Take out the IU game and it's 24.5%. So it's not like he's been a sharpshooter, even though I believe he's capable of it if all systems are go.
Hopefully for Aaron's sake, he does a reverse Taylor and has a successful year, and the other theories you and Cappy have posited are indeed the correct ones.
Will always remember the Indiana game. One shining moment in a pretty dark Big Ten season. He may have kept the Hoosiers out of the NCAA tournament.
C’mon Bob, is this a big deal to next season? Aaron should look to move on. NU isn’t dancing next year. Falzone hasn’t lit it up on O for 3 years (besides one game). Am I missing something, but I don’t see Klay Thompson like shooting. Believe it or not, Aaron’s D is what keep him out there. He had great improvements on that side of the ball. However, with you constanting trumpeting for the younger guys to get their run, playing a fifth year senior next year makes no sense. So which is it, play the youngsters for the experience or bellyache about losing a graduate transfer? Can’t be both.
We knew this was coming. Yes, it will be a young team next year, as it currently stands. Collins is no doubt going to bring in a grad or two to bridge the gap between this year and 2020. Let’s save the freaking out for a few months from now if recruiting does not pan out.
But do they have the minutes at his position? At the wing we have Kopp, Nance, Beran, Gaines, Turner, potentially Buie and maybe Jones depending on how he would be used. That is not even including any potential transfer. Most are part of the future which Falzon is not. He probably had a heart to heart with CCC and he could only be promised about 5 mpg. With only 5 mpg, why stay? It will be interesting whether he actually does transfer as someone has to have a spot for him.
If CCC has no minutes for him, it is an indication that we are solid at his position. He is also less mobile than the other guys we have and that mobility looks to be important
Kopp already is solid as is Gaines. Turner looks like he is over his injury and was getting back to form. And Nance and Greer should take descent steps up next year. Law was not his old self much of the year so I see Turner replacing him. We will miss Pardon but I don't think we are in that bad a shape.
Frosh should be interesting in that Beran is the top recruit CCC has brought in, Buie is a needed guard and Jones could be a force. And I would expect a couple Grad transfers
The main impact is losing another body that can give the team a respectable 10-20 min/game. And it looks like next year’s team will need major help with depth. But the reality is that, outside of the Indiana game, Falzon averaged 2.8 pts/game and shot 25% from 3. He always has the potential to catch fire but it really only happened once this season.
We are in desperate need of grad transfer big men. Right now we’re looking at Benson and two guys who have not played college basketball (R. Young and J. Jones).
We are in desperate need of grad transfer big men. Right now we’re looking at Benson and two guys who have not played college basketball (R. Young and J. Jones).
Sorry, this isn’t horrible news. You have a player that got injured and frankly didn’t pan out. Not necessarily his fault, but no reason to bring him back to a rebuilding team.
This assumes that he wasn't asked back and I really have my doubts about that given what the roster looks like for next year. Look, I was very excited about the Collins hire and want to see him succeed but I have concerns about how he is running the program and the direction the program is headed under him. I've watched college sports long enough to be able to spot when there is tension in a program and seeing players transferring is usually an early warning sign that all is not well in Mayberry. Even if Falzon was pushed out, that does not reflect well on Collins coming on the heals of the Rap and Brown transfers last year. Add in the Lathon situation and the Vassar debacle and all of sudden a pattern emerges that doesn't paint the most harmonious picture for the basketball program. It certainly doesn't stack up well when you compare it to Fitz's track record with the football program, .
I wouldn't be surprised if this was a mutual parting of ways. Falzon saw the writing on the wall, wanting more playing time, and Collins probably felt he wanted to give the minutes to others.
CCC might have been OK with bringing him back but Falzon looking for minutes that CCC doesn't feel he has available. How is that indicative of anything other than depth at the position? Cannot blame either side. CCC has to do what is best for the team and program and Falzon has to do what is best for himself. Cannot blame CCC for Lathon. CCC did not injure RAP. If you want to challenge him on Brown and Vassar OK but the rest is not reasonable
sometimes its both - mutual for coaches and the player to get a fresh perspective after 4 years.
I’m with you. Appreciate his service but objectively he wasn’t healthy and he stunk more than he shined
I agree. Great specialist Taphorn type. The fact is that we have very little. We can’t even give the open schollies to walkons - more open schollies.
RI left and had a successful season. Haven’t checked in on Vassar, where is he? Next year we will get Brown stats. Falzon stats too. And I’m betting Lathom will also move to a bigger place soon.
Meanwhile, we held on to Ash for four, Benson for four and have kept an open schollie for MJ reincarnate annually. Now we hope for him as triplets.
What is the good? Kopp and Nance were to be studs. No Shurna/Coble/Juice/VV between them. But wait, next year includes saviors Beran and Buie. Already 2020 high targets fall off.
I said it before and will say it again, it’s time to put a clock on it. Not for CCC, but the program. If MBB cannot compete within 2 years then cash out. No more new money into the program. Any saved money redirected to FB for asst coaches. Build that program to national prominence and then experiment in MBB again.
The fact that we have three spots to sell to A list celeb kids on our team is really crappy. Just like the last two seasons have been really crappy.
these types of posts are asinine. fitz early history hardly showed big ten dominance - and he had some downright awful years and doesn't "win the games he is supposed to" all the time either:
fitz B1G record:
years - win
1 - 2-6
2 - 3-5
3 - 5-3
4 - 5-3
5 - 3-5
6 - 3-5
7 - 5-3
8 - 1-7
9 - 3-5
10 - 6-2
11 - 5-4
12 - 7-2
13 - 8-1
so it took fitz a decade to have more than 2 winning big ten seasons together in a row. and he was a first time coach (who was also an assistant) at NU. and the football program (although equally historically awful had 100x more history and tradition than basketball. people have called for the football program to be blown up many times - but now all of a sudden our FB program is the gold standard. how east we forget, right?
CCC will be fine heading into his next major group of long term players and building the future of NU basketball with the next 2 classes combined with the kopp and nance class.
to take money away from EITHER program is down right foolish, and to play the two against each other is just as dumb.
Rap looked very healthy this year.
Let’s play the 200 minute game. Bet we have few takers. Cuz, it doesn’t look good. And remember, there will be injuries.
Gaines - 25 - he is no Law or Pardon
Greer - 20? - looked pretty bad in under 5
Kopp - 25 - again no Law or Pardon
Nance - 20? - looked like Greer
Benson -15 - statistically impossible. Foul prone
Turner - 25? - bench guy that wasn’t good
Buie - 20 - true frosh savior?
Beran - 20 - true frosh savior?
Young - 10 - who is he?
Jones - 10 - true frosh unsigned savior
10 man rotation, 10 minutes still left over, no injuries or ineligibility issues. So anyone that thinks CCC couldn’t guarantee 15-20 mpg must believe that CCC has some great grad transfer already in hand or the next MJs in them freshmen.
It would be pretty cool if we got John Stamos’ (aka Uncle Jesse) kid on the roster. Charlie was funny, but I’d prefer a bit of cool out of my celeb kid.
Seriously tho, I have zero reservations about this transfer.
Falzon will transfer to a lower level program, and will have a chance to:
1. Start
2. Win
3. Make an NCAA tournament
If he stayed at NU, the 99 out of 100 scenario is that he would:
1. Sit
2. Lose
3. Rebuild with an eye on 2021
I hope he stays healthy and pulls an Ivanauskas in the MAAC.
(Vassar was awful though an occasional starter at Tennessee Tech because Vassar was a bad player who should’ve never been offered a big ten scholarship. 1:3 A:TO, though probably some sweet dunks.)
Seriously tho, I have zero reservations about this transfer.
Falzon will transfer to a lower level program, and will have a chance to:
1. Start
2. Win
3. Make an NCAA tournament
If he stayed at NU, the 99 out of 100 scenario is that he would:
1. Sit
2. Lose
3. Rebuild with an eye on 2021
I hope he stays healthy and pulls an Ivanauskas in the MAAC.
(Vassar was awful though an occasional starter at Tennessee Tech because Vassar was a bad player who should’ve never been offered a big ten scholarship. 1:3 A:TO, though probably some sweet dunks.)
I think PF sucks as a head coach. I would love to see him become AD. He is too loyal and a terrible judge of coaching talent. But fact is that he has had success and has us in the discussion.
Assuming he doesn’t become AD after JP becomes B1G commissioner, we would be well suited to pick a single revenue sport to gain national attention. ND football, Duke BB. And then work on the other one.
So yes, PF suffered early. PF still isn’t the next greatest college FB coach. But he has caught the breaks, done some things rights and has closest to national prominence.
Two years puts CCC deep in recruiting cycles. Nance, Kopp, Beran, Buie, 2020, 2020, 2021, 2021 - have been given the chance to prove it
And I think CCC still has contract left. I would simply suggest at that point, no more new money be budgeted. Complete existing contracts then go cheap. Very very cheap. Men’s swim coach cheap.
If something happens in the next two years of substance, not potential, then revisit. But absent results, game ends.
Limiting this to Big Ten record is interesting, because in terms of overall record, Fitz had the team bowl-eligible in his second year (though not selected) and then made it to five straight bowl games after that before his two "struggle" seasons. If he'd only made it to one bowl game in his first six years, the conversation around him would have been a lot different.
And the team had been to a few bowls before he arrived. NU BB hand NEVER been to the Dance, It had not had a winning BIG record in almost 50 years. Now we have had a winning BIG record, an NCAA banner and an actual win. But sailing is not always smooth and there are often setbacks along the way. Remember what happened after the Rose and Citrus Bowls? It takes time to build a program. And it will not all be smooth but it is my belief that it will get done.
In FB, it only takes a 0.500 overall record to get to a bowl. Are you comparing getting to a minor bowl to getting to the DANCE? In BIG BB, it takes a 0.500 BIG record(for the most part) to be considered for the Dance, Therefore comparing FB BIG performance is most appropriate.
It’s an inconsequential transfer. Falzon, since his injury, simply isn’t mobile at all. Unless he’s knocking down 3’s, which he basically did in one game this year, he a very below average B10 player. No quickness or lateral movement. Plays smaller than his size inside. It’s a solid mutual parting. I hope he has a great senior year wherever he lands.
Simple - he would rather go somewhere with a chance to play in his final year and a chance to win in his final year in a smaller conference vs. not playing in his final year and (probably) not winning.
Going to graduate from Northwestern. Wants a chance to play. Isn't a Power 5 level player. Good guy. Never know what he could have done at 100 percent. Wish him all the best.
Going to graduate from Northwestern. Wants a chance to play. Isn't a Power 5 level player. Good guy. Never know what he could have done at 100 percent. Wish him all the best.
Careful Haywood, you are getting in Felis territory with the win numbers.
A minor bowl is more like getting to the NIT, which has also been a struggle for the basketball team of late.