FC: BOT schedules vote to remove Barry and bar him from ever serving again

Bwifan

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In other words we never want to have a spotlight shined on us and our back office dealings. We want to keep our meetings private. You peasants don't deserve to know what we are doing and shady deals. Screw the sunshine laws and balancing a budget... Spend baby spend.
 

WestSideLion

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This?


Surely, you are TIC.

You’re in a contentious relationship with the rest of the board. And you make a comment with the word “penis”? No matter the context, humor or intent, in today’s corporate and academic world, you’re viewed as in the wrong.

It’s not my rule. But in every corporate training I’ve taken, they always call out that it’s not about intent but about interpretation by the other party.

These rules are well known. It doesn’t deserve the BOT’s action, but it gave them an excuse to do what they already wanted to.
 

BobPSU92

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You’re in a contentious relationship with the rest of the board. And you make a comment with the word “penis”? No matter the context, humor or intent, in today’s corporate and academic world, you’re viewed as in the wrong.

It’s not my rule. But in every corporate training I’ve taken, they always call out that it’s not about intent but about interpretation by the other party.

These rules are well known. It doesn’t deserve the BOT’s action, but it gave them an excuse to do what they already wanted to.

The unfortunate truth is that Barry was walking on on eggshells. He needed to do everything right to keep the law on his side, meaning that he needed to keep it professional. “It’s not personal. It’s just business.” Sadly, he made it personal, and as you correctly said, his missteps in behavior gave the bot the opening they needed to get him out, which is what they wanted. It’s sad because Barry was, otherwise, the change agent that alumni needed. He had the momentum with the law on his side. Then, he lost it. Now, it’s over. Sad.
 

PSUFTG

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The unfortunate truth is that Barry was walking on on eggshells. He needed to do everything right to keep the law on his side, meaning that he needed to keep it professional. “It’s not personal. It’s just business.” Sadly, he made it personal, and as you correctly said, his missteps in behavior gave the bot the opening they needed to get him out, which is what they wanted. It’s sad because Barry was, otherwise, the change agent that alumni needed. He had the momentum with the law on his side. Then, he lost it. Now, it’s over. Sad.
At no point was it ever "personal" - on my part.

On their's? It was ALWAYS personal. From Day 1.
 

Nitt1300

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Barry never had the right disposition for this- we all knew that.

But the fact is that the fix has been in for decades now, and fixing it was never going to be possible through any action taken by alumni elected trustees, even if we had had all good ones- which we did not. None of that falls on Barry.

The PA legislature is worthless, so don't look there for results, either.

The fight, if there ever was one to be made, is lost.

All any of us can do is close our checkbook.
 

BobPSU92

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At no point was it ever "personal" - on my part.

On their's? It was ALWAYS personal. From Day 1.

Maybe not your intention, but a loss of decorum comes off as personal. You went into attack mode, and it just doesn’t fly in that setting, especially when you are the underdog to begin with.

I agree that they made it personal. They want people who don’t buck the system, people who make the execution of their agenda easy. You don’t have to be a vocal advocate. You can just stay out of the way. Just don’t dare being a voice of opposition.
 

Bkmtnittany1

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You’re in a contentious relationship with the rest of the board. And you make a comment with the word “penis”? No matter the context, humor or intent, in today’s corporate and academic world, you’re viewed as in the wrong.

It’s not my rule. But in every corporate training I’ve taken, they always call out that it’s not about intent but about interpretation by the other party.

These rules are well known. It doesn’t deserve the BOT’s action, but it gave them an excuse to do what they already wanted to.
The “penis” Will do it every time!
 
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JohnJumba

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Maybe not your intention, but a loss of decorum comes off as personal. You went into attack mode, and it just doesn’t fly in that setting, especially when you are the underdog to begin with.

I agree that they made it personal. They want people who don’t buck the system, people who make the execution of their agenda easy. You don’t have to be a vocal advocate. You can just stay out of the way. Just don’t dare being a voice of opposition.

Back in the '70s, the BoT was enabled by dope smoking, drinking, ball playing and women chasing. Their antics were ignored.

Now they are a monster.
 

JohnJumba

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You’re in a contentious relationship with the rest of the board. And you make a comment with the word “penis”? No matter the context, humor or intent, in today’s corporate and academic world, you’re viewed as in the wrong.

It’s not my rule. But in every corporate training I’ve taken, they always call out that it’s not about intent but about interpretation by the other party.

These rules are well known. It doesn’t deserve the BOT’s action, but it gave them an excuse to do what they already wanted to.

Penis?

AKA the "dangling participle"
 

Bob78

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At no point was it ever "personal" - on my part.

On their's? It was ALWAYS personal. From Day 1.
Were you ever able to review the requested documents wrt the financials? I know you can't give specifics/details, just curious if you were given access.
Also, were you able to discuss what you saw with any of the BOT members and express any concerns you had from the review? Were any concerns alleviated after talking with them, if you did?
Thanks.
 

Moogy

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Were you ever able to review the requested documents wrt the financials? I know you can't give specifics/details, just curious if you were given access.
Also, were you able to discuss what you saw with any of the BOT members and express any concerns you had from the review? Were any concerns alleviated after talking with them, if you did?
Thanks.

Yeah, he kept pestering them with “Where’s the goodwill on this balance sheet?!? I just knows it has to be there! My whole argument was based on the existence of this thing that can’t exist. I need to wrap this up so I can go snipe hunting. Hey, can I have $20 so I can afford to sue you? Begging for handouts is part of my financial plan for myself, and wasting the university’s money defending itself from my nuisance litigation is part of my financial plan for the university.”
 

Keyser Soze 16802

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Yeah, he kept pestering them with “Where’s the goodwill on this balance sheet?!? I just knows it has to be there! My whole argument was based on the existence of this thing that can’t exist. I need to wrap this up so I can go snipe hunting. Hey, can I have $20 so I can afford to sue you? Begging for handouts is part of my financial plan for myself, and wasting the university’s money defending itself from my nuisance litigation is part of my financial plan for the university.”
Jagged Little Pill GIF by Alanis Morissette


You post constantly about good will, and yet you manage to create none
 

Erial_Lion

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I’ll say this about “goodwill”…Previously, I gave $ to PSU every year, and it would have been a very strong choice for my kids to attend. Over the past couple of years, purely due to what I perceive as a lack of transparency of our BOT, the changes they’ve made to minimize the voice of us alums, and continued increases in costs/sending, I’ve stopped giving money (maybe they got a small cut of my tickets to the Palestra games or my B1G+ subscription, but that’s it), and wouldn’t really consider PSU to be a contender as we get deep into the college search. Maybe I’m alone (or a very small minority), but that’s can’t help a balance sheet.
 
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Moogy

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Jagged Little Pill GIF by Alanis Morissette


You post constantly about good will, and yet you manage to create none

Given that the point is PSU can't have goodwill on its balance sheet (and Barry argued against accepting the naming rights deal, asserting that goodwill is an item on PSU's balance sheet as the crux of his argument), I'd say my lack of goodwill creation would be entirely unironic. It would be 100% in line with my argument, and the reality of the underlying point.

Other than being completely wrong, you nailed it.
 

Moogy

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I’ll say this about “goodwill”…Previously, I gave $ to PSU every year, and it would have been a very strong choice for my kids to attend. Over the past couple of years, purely due to what I perceive as a lack of transparency of our BOT, the changes they’ve made to minimize the voice of us slums, and continued increases in costs/sending, I’ve stopped giving money (maybe they got a small cut of my tickets to the Palestra games or my B1G+ subscription, but that’s it), and wouldn’t really consider PSU to be a contender as we get deep into the college search. Maybe I’m alone (or a very small minority), but that’s can’t help a balance sheet.

 

LB99

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Were you ever able to review the requested documents wrt the financials? I know you can't give specifics/details, just curious if you were given access.
Also, were you able to discuss what you saw with any of the BOT members and express any concerns you had from the review? Were any concerns alleviated after talking with them, if you did?
Thanks.
This article says he was given access.

 
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Maybe not your intention, but a loss of decorum comes off as personal. You went into attack mode, and it just doesn’t fly in that setting, especially when you are the underdog to begin with.

I agree that they made it personal. They want people who don’t buck the system, people who make the execution of their agenda easy. You don’t have to be a vocal advocate. You can just stay out of the way. Just don’t dare being a voice of opposition.
Sounds like a great way to effect zero change to the Board, Bob. Might as well become "Abstention Adam [T]" at that point, if you're not going to be an advocate.
 

Bob78

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At no point was it ever "personal" - on my part.

On their's? It was ALWAYS personal. From Day 1.
Hi Barry.
So we see that you were granted access to the requested materials.

Was what you saw for yourself wrt the materials and your questions about the fees concerning in any way?
Were you able to discuss those concerns with the appropriate people on the BOT?
Will anything change for the better as a result of what you discovered and/or discussed?

I realize you cannot provide details, at least not yet, so the questions are Yes/No, with your prerogative to expound if you can.
Thank you.
 
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Moogy

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Here's the major problem ... Barry was awful.

You guys complaining about the fix being in, and the BoT being some corrupt entity ruining the college and stuffing their pockets ... and how they kept Barry down because of this ...

But there's no real evidence of any of this.

It's as if you were convinced your local food pantry was stealing the food that was donated to them, at the behest of those in charge, and not giving the food to those in need ... your evidence of this was tenuous at best ... mostly just telling each other stories about how you were convinced this was true .. and so you ... for some odd reason ... decided to send in the ranting town drunk to sus it out. When the town drunk would barge in, he'd rant and yell about how the food pantry was out to get people, and everyone involved was a criminal ... but most of all, he'd just continually shout how they needed to change the name of the food pantry to acknowledge the best volunteer that ever volunteered at the pantry. He'd curse out, as town drunks do, anyone who told him to calm down. He'd never stop his rants, despite pleas to relax, until he passed out.

And then, whenever they attempted to control him, or throw him out, everyone says this is further evidence of corruption.

In the meetings that were on video, you saw how Barry acted. It was obviously wrong, and these rants weren't meant to be supportive of change, or even informative. It was just off-topic rants that rambled. It wasn't effective. It wasn't constructive.

And then you guys respond to this with "I knew it! No matter what we do, they don't want to hear our voices! They're just going to keep stealing food and failing to rename the place!"
 

Keyser Soze 16802

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Here's the major problem ... Barry was awful.

You guys complaining about the fix being in, and the BoT being some corrupt entity ruining the college and stuffing their pockets ... and how they kept Barry down because of this ...

But there's no real evidence of any of this.

It's as if you were convinced your local food pantry was stealing the food that was donated to them, at the behest of those in charge, and not giving the food to those in need ... your evidence of this was tenuous at best ... mostly just telling each other stories about how you were convinced this was true .. and so you ... for some odd reason ... decided to send in the ranting town drunk to sus it out. When the town drunk would barge in, he'd rant and yell about how the food pantry was out to get people, and everyone involved was a criminal ... but most of all, he'd just continually shout how they needed to change the name of the food pantry to acknowledge the best volunteer that ever volunteered at the pantry. He'd curse out, as town drunks do, anyone who told him to calm down. He'd never stop his rants, despite pleas to relax, until he passed out.

And then, whenever they attempted to control him, or throw him out, everyone says this is further evidence of corruption.

In the meetings that were on video, you saw how Barry acted. It was obviously wrong, and these rants weren't meant to be supportive of change, or even informative. It was just off-topic rants that rambled. It wasn't effective. It wasn't constructive.

And then you guys respond to this with "I knew it! No matter what we do, they don't want to hear our voices! They're just going to keep stealing food and failing to rename the place!"
Fallacy of the excluded middle. Both can be true: Barry is a horse's patoot and the BOT is corrupt.
 

Moogy

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Fallacy of the excluded middle. Both can be true: Barry is a horse's patoot and the BOT is corrupt.

No fallacy ... I never said the BoT wasn't corrupt ... I only said the evidence presented, to date, has been tenuous, at best.

And, instead of building a case, or sending someone in who could properly manage the situation, you sent in the equivalent of the town drunk, and then said that trying to control the town drunk is more evidence of corruption (thereby making your prior claims of corruption even less supported).
 
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LionJim

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Here's the major problem ... Barry was awful.

You guys complaining about the fix being in, and the BoT being some corrupt entity ruining the college and stuffing their pockets ... and how they kept Barry down because of this ...

But there's no real evidence of any of this.

It's as if you were convinced your local food pantry was stealing the food that was donated to them, at the behest of those in charge, and not giving the food to those in need ... your evidence of this was tenuous at best ... mostly just telling each other stories about how you were convinced this was true .. and so you ... for some odd reason ... decided to send in the ranting town drunk to sus it out. When the town drunk would barge in, he'd rant and yell about how the food pantry was out to get people, and everyone involved was a criminal ... but most of all, he'd just continually shout how they needed to change the name of the food pantry to acknowledge the best volunteer that ever volunteered at the pantry. He'd curse out, as town drunks do, anyone who told him to calm down. He'd never stop his rants, despite pleas to relax, until he passed out.

And then, whenever they attempted to control him, or throw him out, everyone says this is further evidence of corruption.

In the meetings that were on video, you saw how Barry acted. It was obviously wrong, and these rants weren't meant to be supportive of change, or even informative. It was just off-topic rants that rambled. It wasn't effective. It wasn't constructive.

And then you guys respond to this with "I knew it! No matter what we do, they don't want to hear our voices! They're just going to keep stealing food and failing to rename the place!"
Effective or not (it’s not for me to say), Barry was the only one up there taking the pitches. I felt then and I feel now that the PSU community needed someone to push the board the way Barry intended to, tried to. We knew what we were getting when we first elected Barry, and I have zero regrets voting for him.
 

Erial_Lion

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All voted to remove him except for Barry himself, Lubrano, Paterno, and Ted Brown. Ali Krieger was absent (shocking, I know).

While I made it clear for a long time that I wasn't a fan of Barry, this is a really sad action IMO. Another knock on transparency...and a completely vindictive action by a group that is supposed to be fiduciaries of the University.