FC: Interesting
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Super interesting, thanks. A couple of quick observations:
- Conferences outside the B1G and SEC seem to be in worse financial situations. That lends to the lack of sustainability narrative we’ve heard.
- Power football programs in the B1G and SEC are surprisingly high on these lists. Look at Bama and OSU. Should PSU push for more contributions?
That being said, I can honestly say that schools that have big time sports/school spirit does seem like something that drives a significant number of applications/acceptances. It’s a lot of those big time Div 1 schools that were reporting record number of applications this year while smaller schools are struggling and closing. I would imagine that a lot of schools view this “subsidy” as just a PR and advertising expense the same way that tuition from current student also subsidizes the tens of thousands of mailers that schools send out and other methods of engagement with potential students.
The CUSA numbers are sobering. Within the Big Ten, the UCLA numbers are eye opening.
As far as PSU, there appears to be room for more of a contribution - however I believe the athletic department is separate from the university budget. Not sure what the $243/student for PSU is for, but assuming that low rate is for administrative costs assigned to each student.
You are correct. Alabama has grown tremendously since the success they had under Saban.
University growth during Nick Saban's time with the Crimson Tide
Coach Nick Saban will go down as arguably the greatest head coach in college football history. As the Alabama Crimson Tide thrived under Saban's leadership, so
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You are correct. Alabama has grown tremendously since the success they had under Saban.
University growth during Nick Saban's time with the Crimson Tide
Coach Nick Saban will go down as arguably the greatest head coach in college football history. As the Alabama Crimson Tide thrived under Saban's leadership, so
Will DeBoer erase it all?
Another data point that would be helpful is full time tuition, room and board To provide some context to additional cost burden. Many of those public universities are way less expensive than Penn State.
Thanks. I got confused by all the numbers and graphs in the original post and couldn’t figure out how it was bad for PSU.
I have no idea how the cost accounting works here. There’s likely a fudge factor. Dr Nick makes a great point about football driving applications and enrollment. This may be seen as marketing at many schools.
In state sure - although the difference is not as substantial as it used to be as college costs have risen across the board everywhere; now the couple of thousand dollars difference for PSU compared to other flagships is a smaller percentage of overall costs than years ago.
But out of state, PSU is pretty much the same as other schools.
I'm confused why PSU students pay any subsidy. I've read that PSU (and about 20 other D1 schools) made a net profit from athletics. Is the $200 what students pay out of pocket for tickets? Is that considered a subsidy?
Penn State Athletics reported $220.7 million in operating revenue and $215.1 million in expenses, resulting in a net profit of $5.6 million1
Penn State Athletics reported $220.7 million in operating revenue and $215.1 million in expenses, resulting in a net profit of $5.6 million1
I was wondering that as well. Is there an article attached to the tweet in some fashion that goes into detail regarding how these “subsidies” are calculated by the author?
University of Tennessee says hello.
In-state tuition 13,484 USD, Out-of-state tuition 31,974 USD
That would seem to jive. From what I see online, the UP Student Activity Fee is $289 a year. PSU likely uses part of that to pay the Athletic Dept on behalf of the students in order for them to get "perks" like free tickets to most sporting events and maybe stuff like being able to use Rec Hall. That would be consistent with collecting $243 per student as listed in the tweet since not all of the Student Activity fee would be going to athletics.
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