FC/OT: Could be an epic season for the Coaching Carousel....

[Midnighter]

Lots of guys at big time programs are under the microscope this year - who gets canned first? I think it's Norvell or Napier. And when it happens, Franklin's agent will start to earn his money.....

Bill Belechick, UNC
Lincoln Riley, USC
Brian Kelly, LSU
Brent Venables, Oklahoma
Luke Fickell, Wisconsin
Mike Norvell, FSU
Billy Napier, Florida
Matt Ruhle, Nebraska
Kalen DeBoer, Alabama
Mike Gundy, Oklahoma State
Hugh Freeze, Auburn

 

[WestSideLion]

LSU and Florida are the only programs on the list that feel like a real threat to lure away Franklin.

And both will be smarting from high-profile mistakes who couldn’t cut it on game day. That’s too similar to Franklin’s rep, IMO.

Same is true at USC. FSU had conference and $ issues. The other schools have different warts.

 

[Midnighter]

LSU and Florida are the only programs on the list that feel like a real threat to lure away Franklin.

And both will be smarting from high-profile mistakes who couldn’t cut it on game day. That’s too similar to Franklin’s rep, IMO.

Same is true at USC. FSU had conference and $ issues. The other schools have different warts.

I don't think prior mistakes will prevent these teams from making the same ones over and over. I'd add USC to the list for Franklin. My guess is he gets a nice, juicy extension/raise to stay at PSU after Kelly/Napier is canned.

 

[LB99]

My guess is one of Napier, Norvell, or Venables.

 

[psuro]

Niedermeyer - Dead!
Wormer - Dead!
Norvell - Fired!
Napier - Fired!
Franklin - Pay raise!

 

[PSUFTG]

Mike Locksley and Brent Pry


Venables might be on watch, if not for the huge buyout albatross hanging around OU's neck

 

[WestSideLion]

I don't think prior mistakes will prevent these teams from making the same ones over and over. I'd add USC to the list for Franklin. My guess is he gets a nice, juicy extension/raise to stay at PSU after Kelly/Napier is canned.

Good point on college ADs refusing to learn from past mistakes. I'm counting on influential alums and boosters exerting pressure. If he guides PSU to another Final Four appearance, then some program will be tempted to offer him the reigns and big money. If he fails to reach that expectation, then it will reinforce the "Mark Richt" perception.

 

[BobPSU92]

OBVIOUSLY. , Franklin has the hottest seat.

 

[DaytonRickster]

Lots of guys at big time programs are under the microscope this year - who gets canned first? I think it's Norvell or Napier. And when it happens, Franklin's agent will start to earn his money.....

Bill Belechick, UNC
Lincoln Riley, USC
Brian Kelly, LSU
Brent Venables, Oklahoma
Luke Fickell, Wisconsin
Mike Norvell, FSU
Billy Napier, Florida
Matt Ruhle, Nebraska
Kalen DeBoer, Alabama
Mike Gundy, Oklahoma State
Hugh Freeze, Auburn

I'd say Luke Fickell wll be first to go. I believe this year's Alabama team will be much better in year two under DeBoer, so he should survive.
If Rhule can somehow get Nebraska to 9 wins, he stays.
Beyond Fickell, the most vulnerable are:
1 - Venables (Oklahoma)
2a & 2b - Norvell (FSU) & Napier (Florida)
4 - Riley (USC)
5 - Kelly (LSU) Their fans are growing impatient with him squandering talent.
6 - Gundy (OK State). Already took a pay cut. Needs to contend for Big XII title this year
7 - Hugh Freeze (Auburn) A bad turn in his ongoing health concerns could end his job.
8 - Belechick (UNC) I have no idea. He might coach one year and say the college game isn't for him.

 

[Steve JG]

Lots of guys at big time programs are under the microscope this year - who gets canned first? I think it's Norvell or Napier. And when it happens, Franklin's agent will start to earn his money.....

Bill Belechick, UNC
Lincoln Riley, USC
Brian Kelly, LSU
Brent Venables, Oklahoma
Luke Fickell, Wisconsin
Mike Norvell, FSU
Billy Napier, Florida
Matt Ruhle, Nebraska
Kalen DeBoer, Alabama
Mike Gundy, Oklahoma State
Hugh Freeze, Auburn

Fickell on thin ice but think he gets whole year regardless how bad Wisco is this year. Its only year 3. If he is sucking next year he doesn't complete year. But I think he gets this year at least regardless if what a mess the team is

 

[Midnighter]

Brutal scheduled for these guys too. Wonder if OU and Texas have buyer’s remorse?

 

[Bkmtnittany1]

OBVIOUSLY. , Franklin has the hottest seat.

The hottest of hot seats… poor guy would get a mere 56 million if he gets canned before January 1… I need to get me one of those gigs in my next life

 

[Bkmtnittany1]

Good point on college ADs refusing to learn from past mistakes. I'm counting on influential alums and boosters exerting pressure. If he guides PSU to another Final Four appearance, then some program will be tempted to offer him the reigns and big money. If he fails to reach that expectation, then it will reinforce the "Mark Richt" perception.

Here’s the skinny from the Back Mountain area of NEPA… if PSU wins it is because of the sh*t schedule they have. If they lose it is because of Franklin. And these guys call themselves PSU fans…

 

[WestSideLion]

Here’s the skinny from the Back Mountain area of NEPA… if PSU wins it is because of the sh*t schedule they have. If they lose it is because of Franklin. And these guys call themselves PSU fans…

The weak schedule argument doesn’t hold up in the 12-team playoff era. You have to play and beat multiple top teams to win a title.

The B1G is also loaded anymore.

 

[Bkmtnittany1]

The weak schedule argument doesn’t hold up in the 12-team playoff era. You have to play and beat multiple top teams to win a title.

The B1G is also loaded anymore.

Agree… these guys hate Franklin. It’s more than borderline rascist…

 

[PSUHarry]

Lots of guys at big time programs are under the microscope this year - who gets canned first? I think it's Norvell or Napier. And when it happens, Franklin's agent will start to earn his money.....

Bill Belechick, UNC
Lincoln Riley, USC
Brian Kelly, LSU
Brent Venables, Oklahoma
Luke Fickell, Wisconsin
Mike Norvell, FSU
Billy Napier, Florida
Matt Ruhle, Nebraska
Kalen DeBoer, Alabama
Mike Gundy, Oklahoma State
Hugh Freeze, Auburn

UNC isn’t canning Belechick after one year.

 

[BobPSU92]

UNC isn’t canning Belechick after one year.

Can he go through all of the attractive coeds in one year?

 

[Midnighter]

UNC isn’t canning Belechick after one year.

He’s gonna quit.

 

[Marshall2323]

OBVIOUSLY. , Franklin has the hottest seat.

Wr deserve better!

 

[Marshall2323]

UNC isn’t canning Belechick after one year.

No, but he could quit and turn things over to his son.

 

[Nitt1300]

Agree… these guys hate Franklin. It’s more than borderline rascist…

bingo

 

[DaytonRickster]

Fickell on thin ice but think he gets whole year regardless how bad Wisco is this year. Its only year 3. If he is sucking next year he doesn't complete year. But I think he gets this year at least regardless if what a mess the team is

I think we all agree he made a mistake trying to change their offensive style. It probably also hurt them in recruitment of those big farm boy OLs and RBs. They had good success in both of those areas until he brought in the OC from UNC. Totally failed process.

 

[Steve JG]

I think we all agree he made a mistake trying to change their offensive style. It probably also hurt them in recruitment of those big farm boy OLs and RBs. They had good success in both of those areas until he brought in the OC from UNC. Totally failed process.

his recruiting and retention is pretty bad. He had different portal QB every year he has been here, and not top tier quality. Overall personnel way way off from what it was in era you speak of. And he not a likable person who is not well liked which is never good for a coach on hot seat. He will get this whole year regardless, but next year very different level scrutiny / seat heat

 

[MacNit]

Mike Locksley and Brent Pry


Venables might be on watch, if not for the huge buyout albatross hanging around OU's neck

Sounds familiar….

 

[Iionscott]

Lots of guys at big time programs are under the microscope this year - who gets canned first? I think it's Norvell or Napier. And when it happens, Franklin's agent will start to earn his money.....

Bill Belechick, UNC
Lincoln Riley, USC
Brian Kelly, LSU
Brent Venables, Oklahoma
Luke Fickell, Wisconsin
Mike Norvell, FSU
Billy Napier, Florida
Matt Ruhle, Nebraska
Kalen DeBoer, Alabama
Mike Gundy, Oklahoma State
Hugh Freeze, Auburn

No way DeBoer is getting fired unless they having a losing record, which is not happening. Same with Ruhle.

and honestly, I do not think James ever leaves. Of course, he will use other jobs for leverage, but he is getting to the point in his career that he can stay as long as he wants unless there is a total collapse and that’s not going to happen.

wouldn’t it be comical in say, 10-15 years and James is still the coach and fan base becomes ”Jamesbots”

 

[Midnighter]

Oh jeez.

 

[MacNit]

No way DeBoer is getting fired unless they having a losing record, which is not happening. Same with Ruhle.

and honestly, I do not think James ever leaves. Of course, he will use other jobs for leverage, but he is getting to the point in his career that he can stay as long as he wants unless there is a total collapse and that’s not going to happen.

wouldn’t it be comical in say, 10-15 years and James is still the coach and fan base becomes ”Jamesbots”

With the allegiance some give for one win 9 years ago, I think you can say that now.

I nominate Marshall for President/fanboy in Chief.

Wonder how long it will be for an upset win on the road? 18 more years?

 

[Marshall2323]

With the allegiance some give for one win 9 years ago, I think you can say that now.

I nominate Marshall for President/fanboy in Chief.

Wonder how long it will be for an upset win on the road? 18 more years?

We deserve better!

 

[Marshall2323]

With the allegiance some give for one win 9 years ago, I think you can say that now.

I nominate Marshall for President/fanboy in Chief.

Wonder how long it will be for an upset win on the road? 18 more years?

In the past 30 seasons PSU has finished in the top 10, 9 times. 5 of those in Franklin's 10 years. He certainly needs to get things fixed.

 

[Bob78]

Lots of guys at big time programs are under the microscope this year - who gets canned first? I think it's Norvell or Napier. And when it happens, Franklin's agent will start to earn his money.....

Bill Belechick, UNC
Lincoln Riley, USC
Brian Kelly, LSU
Brent Venables, Oklahoma
Luke Fickell, Wisconsin
Mike Norvell, FSU
Billy Napier, Florida
Matt Ruhle, Nebraska
Kalen DeBoer, Alabama
Mike Gundy, Oklahoma State
Hugh Freeze, Auburn

For the large part, successful CF HC contracts come to a point where renegotiation is expected. Franklin is pretty much there now. I forget if he is in year 4 or 5 of his 10 year deal, but his renegotiation time is nigh.

Attractive openings such as these will give him and his agent useful leverage. I think we should expect something to happen with his contract at the end of this season in any event. It's part of the CF world.

For whatever some of us don't like about Franklin, he has shown improvement on the field (e.g. time mgmt isn't an issue anymore, trickeration has been reigned in and utilized more appropriately (imo)), and he has navigated the impossible waters of NIL and Xfers very well (so far - every day can be an adventure, no doubt). These are big factors in assessing any coach not named Nick Saban.

Who would any of us rather have instead of Franklin? No one needs to suggest Matt Ruhle, because unless he turns things around dramatically at Nebraska, he has not given us reason to think he would be a better answer for PSU. Saban ain't coming back. Anyone who has been better than JF is well-entrenched wherever they are. Ruhle and others deemed up-and-comers would mean taking a gamble that no PSU fan wants to take right now.

I say pay him his due and bring him back into the top 5 to 8 highest paid coaches. Make it a 5 to 7 year deal if needed (and renegotiated after 3). That gets him near age 60. Expect that he will continue to show consistency and improvement, and our players continue to represent the school well. If not, cut him loose, but don't lose him for petty reasons like being too stringent on his contract deal. We've made the commitment to being among the elite, so let's think and act that way when it comes to JF's deal.

 

[Bkmtnittany1]

For the large part, successful CF HC contracts come to a point where renegotiation is expected. Franklin is pretty much there now. I forget if he is in year 4 or 5 of his 10 year deal, but his renegotiation time is nigh.

Attractive openings such as these will give him and his agent useful leverage. I think we should expect something to happen with his contract at the end of this season in any event. It's part of the CF world.

For whatever some of us don't like about Franklin, he has shown improvement on the field (e.g. time mgmt isn't an issue anymore, trickeration has been reigned in and utilized more appropriately (imo)), and he has navigated the impossible waters of NIL and Xfers very well (so far - every day can be an adventure, no doubt). These are big factors in assessing any coach not named Nick Saban.

Who would any of us rather have instead of Franklin? No one needs to suggest Matt Ruhle, because unless he turns things around dramatically at Nebraska, he has not given us reason to think he would be a better answer for PSU. Saban ain't coming back. Anyone who has been better than JF is well-entrenched wherever they are. Ruhle and others deemed up-and-comers would mean taking a gamble that no PSU fan wants to take right now.

I say pay him his due and bring him back into the top 5 to 8 highest paid coaches. Make it a 5 to 7 year deal if needed (and renegotiated after 3). That gets him near age 60. Expect that he will continue to show consistency and improvement, and our players continue to represent the school well. If not, cut him loose, but don't lose him for petty reasons like being too stringent on his contract deal. We've made the commitment to being among the elite, so let's think and act that way when it comes to JF's deal.

On the golf course yesterday… I said, “ Gimme a name!” The guy was serious… he said Jon Gruden! I then 3 putted

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

UNC isn’t canning Belechick after one year.

Harry what’s with your handle? (scat looks on point)

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

Agree… these guys hate Franklin. It’s more than borderline rascist…

You’re kidding me right?

 

[MacNit]

We deserve better!

For the large part, successful CF HC contracts come to a point where renegotiation is expected. Franklin is pretty much there now. I forget if he is in year 4 or 5 of his 10 year deal, but his renegotiation time is nigh.

Attractive openings such as these will give him and his agent useful leverage. I think we should expect something to happen with his contract at the end of this season in any event. It's part of the CF world.

For whatever some of us don't like about Franklin, he has shown improvement on the field (e.g. time mgmt isn't an issue anymore, trickeration has been reigned in and utilized more appropriately (imo)), and he has navigated the impossible waters of NIL and Xfers very well (so far - every day can be an adventure, no doubt). These are big factors in assessing any coach not named Nick Saban.

Who would any of us rather have instead of Franklin? No one needs to suggest Matt Ruhle, because unless he turns things around dramatically at Nebraska, he has not given us reason to think he would be a better answer for PSU. Saban ain't coming back. Anyone who has been better than JF is well-entrenched wherever they are. Ruhle and others deemed up-and-comers would mean taking a gamble that no PSU fan wants to take right now.

I say pay him his due and bring him back into the top 5 to 8 highest paid coaches. Make it a 5 to 7 year deal if needed (and renegotiated after 3). That gets him near age 60. Expect that he will continue to show consistency and improvement, and our players continue to represent the school well. If not, cut him loose, but don't lose him for petty reasons like being too stringent on his contract deal. We've made the commitment to being among the elite, so let's think and act that way when it comes to JF's deal.

For one decent win in 11 years?

 

[MacNit]

We deserve better!

Why do you think you think you deseve better? Did you go to PSU?

PSU can and had certainly do better - much better - if we get fair game day coaching. After over a decade, it seems a bit naive to think that current coach will ever get over that hump. Time for someone else to get a chance.

 

[MacNit]

In the past 30 seasons PSU has finished in the top 10, 9 times. 5 of those in Franklin's 10 years. He certainly needs to get things fixed.

They managed to finish 5 last year with out a single win against a decent team. That’s what can happen when you schedule cupcakes and take advantage of the strong brand created by Coach Paterno.

Spit the bit AGAIN when it counted.

 

[Marshall2323]

They managed to finish 5 last year with out a single win against a decent team. That’s what can happen when you schedule cupcakes and take advantage of the strong brand created by Coach Paterno.

Spit the bit AGAIN when it counted.

If it's so easy to finish in the top 10. why doesn't everyone do it?
9 of PSU's 12 games are scheduled for them. So every Big 10 team save Michigan, Oregon and Ohio State are "cupcakes?"
News flash. Joe is dead. He ain't coming back. It was fun while it lasted. 1994 for 31 seasons ago. Now call yourself and idiot, I'm tired.

 

[Ludd]

They managed to finish 5 last year with out a single win against a decent team. That’s what can happen when you schedule cupcakes and take advantage of the strong brand created by Coach Paterno.

Spit the bit AGAIN when it counted.

This may be the dumbest post ever. There have been a lot of wins over decent teams and to say otherwise is just admitting you hate Franklin and you have nothing else to argue with.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

This may be the dumbest post ever. There have been a lot of wins over decent teams and to say otherwise is just admitting you hate Franklin and you have nothing else to argue with.

Specifically tell me wins when we were Vegas dogs?

 

[Ludd]

Specifically tell me wins when we were Vegas dogs?

Who cares….that doesn’t make every other team we beat as less than decent. And the fact that we’re rarely dogs is a testament to who???? Oh yeah, Franklin.