FC/OT: OSU Sexual Abuse Scandal Documentary…
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From HBO.
Does is implicate Gym Jordan? If not, it doesn’t go far enough.
From HBO.
Someone needs to send this to Dan Bernstein and ask why he didn’t dwell on this scandal when he still had a job. I did several years ago and the arrogant prick responded as only he could.
I don’t know but there is a line to the effect of ‘everyone knew’ which to me suggests they may are casting a wide web here….
But they didn’t burn columbus down to the ground, as far as I know. Incomplete.
Since the NCAA is a shiitshow, not expecting anything to come of this. Media won't care
Maybe, but there’s no criminal case to bring up now. Strauss killed himself 20 years ago.
The Wikipedia page on the scandal is creepy af.
Also missing a complicit Board of Trustees and Governor.
Governor who sat on the info for years as AG so he didn’t compromise his campaign for governor.
Agree. It’s apples to oranges actually, but nobody wants to touch this in the media…until now perhaps. The pervert doctor was known to be a weirdo for years and it wasn’t addressed by the school. He preyed on an estimated nearly 200 student athletes (that came forward, there probably are more) across many sports. This doesn’t even include the OSU band sexual harassment hazing scandel that got the band director fired. This, along with the Michigan State scandal and the Bo Schembechler accusations, is what I e-mailed Dan Bernstein about several years ago and asked why he wasn’t blowing up the airwaves about all of this, like he did PSU. He responded, unshockingly, with a d bag response.
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Please take this opportunity to remember that Penn State has a culture problem.
You don’t have to watch the documentary to know that Jordan is a gigantic POS.
It wasn't just Jordan. The entire school covered up abuse of gymnasts, hockey players and fencers. Only the female fencing coach (for men and women) took the athletes' complaints higher and she was basically humored and ignored. Strauss made Nassar look like amateur hour. There were 170 instances of rape and over 2800 cases of abuse. And those are just the ones that have been reported. tOSU is still fighting the case on statute of limitations claims, even though a Federal court has refused to consider that defense.
Yeah and all occurring ON CAMPUS!!
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Charlotte Rememyik, the fencing coach, was the only coach who cared enough about her athletes to complain. Just wanted to put that out here, thought she deserved her name being mentioned on the McAndrew Board, RIP.
osu will inevitably be shut down, who will replace them on our football schedule?
It would seem that without a famous headliner to destroy, coverup stories, fabricated erroneous rumors and criticism of any reporting - placated the superiors / bosses / overseers / and anyone interested in investigating a 'story' into Doing Nothing. Nasser and Strauss were known as MD's with strange ethics - and it took years to research, verify and accuse - claiming that justice is missing. Sandusky, a coach with a questionable charity was pillaried in the press and convicted in record time.
What is reprehensible is the fact that MSU and $OSU knew - and did nothing to curtail or fire each individual. $OSU has taken this to the US Supreme Court and been turned down, yet keeps on fighting all of the verified internal and external investigations. The very large $OSU BOT has claimed they will pay nothing, do not have any responsiblity, and did not know of any questionable activity, unlike the complicit PSU BOT.
'Dr' Strauss left $OSU in 1998, died in 2005 and finally now with a simpleton NCAA, this has hit the airwaves - how do people live with themselves?
What is reprehensible is the fact that MSU and $OSU knew - and did nothing to curtail or fire each individual. $OSU has taken this to the US Supreme Court and been turned down, yet keeps on fighting all of the verified internal and external investigations. The very large $OSU BOT has claimed they will pay nothing, do not have any responsiblity, and did not know of any questionable activity, unlike the complicit PSU BOT.
'Dr' Strauss left $OSU in 1998, died in 2005 and finally now with a simpleton NCAA, this has hit the airwaves - how do people live with themselves?
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Every of the ones that came after Penn State learned from what happened here, including the NCAA. There was tremendous overreach by the NCAA at PSU. The PSU one wasn't even a PSU issue in reality. It was an employee/former employee that had access to the University for issues completely unrelated to PSU. That is like saying an employee of IBM killed his wife and it is an IBM problem, but I digress.
OSU was a clear case of an OSU doctor abusing OSU students. OSU should clearly be on the hook for this. The University did not protect the students in their charge.
In the time these things happened this is how it was dealt with. You ignored it and hoped it wouldn't come out. In the doc it seemed that everyone knew Strauss was a weirdo and very sexualized. They just didn't want to deal with the "black eye" that they felt would come from it. They ignored the fact that the fallout from doing nothing would be about 100 times worse. People don't want to do what is hard even though it is the right thing to do.
OSU was a clear case of an OSU doctor abusing OSU students. OSU should clearly be on the hook for this. The University did not protect the students in their charge.
In the time these things happened this is how it was dealt with. You ignored it and hoped it wouldn't come out. In the doc it seemed that everyone knew Strauss was a weirdo and very sexualized. They just didn't want to deal with the "black eye" that they felt would come from it. They ignored the fact that the fallout from doing nothing would be about 100 times worse. People don't want to do what is hard even though it is the right thing to do.
I think that the big difference between the 2 situations is that when the JS scandal broke there were people involved that were still active in the program and administration at PSU. As far as I know there was nobody from the 1980s is still involved at OSU.
They gotta specifically say "Gym Jordan" or it's not good enough. This ******' guy looked the other way while his athletes were the victims of a serial sexual abuser and then the people of Ohio said, "This is who should be making public policy at the global level."
I have mixed feelings about this. It seems clear that Strauss abused young men although it appears that the abuse was more psychological than physical. I remember the days when doctors did hernia exams where they couched your privates while you turned your head to cough. It seems like Strauss took that touching to another level with several people. One victim said that Strauss took him home and raped him when he was sedated. I can't imagine that the university or the patient would allow Dr Strauss to take him home after surgery and under sedation. But if true that was extremely physical. It's also possible this guy was looking to pile on to a lawsuit. Who knows.
I have difficulty believing that coaches at OSU would go out of their way to defend the guy. Maybe they didn't want to get sued by an athlete reporting the incident but surely they would get rid of the guy or move him into a different role rather than take the risk of knowingly allow further abuse to occur. I felt the same way about Sandusky. Even if administrators and coaches were covering it up why wouldn't they stop the abuse from continuing? Is it possible that they just didn't appreciate the severity of what was being reported?
I have to question some of the victims honesty. A referee said he used the OSU locker room shower after a match. He said it was creepy that Strauss used the locker right next to him and also used the showerhead right next to him. He says that Strauss kept looking at his private area and later seemed to be masturbating. That could certainly happen but this guy was trembling when recounting the story all these years later. Then he said his life was ruined. I can't help but to believe he was playing it up to support a lawsuit against Strauss. Coincidentally I had a similar experience when I was 22 yrs old. My first job out of college required me to pass a physical and I went to the company doctor. He seemed a bit handsy during my physical then called me into his office and asked questions about my sex life. It seemed creepy to me but I let it go. About a year later two other new employees said they had a similar experience. We all laughed about what a creeper Dr Giligan was. If we said something it would have been proper for the company to investigate and take action but none of us were ruined for life or in need of reparations.
In the end I think the whole thing is somewhat similar to Sandusky. Some bad stuff was happening. Administrators and coaches might not have appreciated the severity of what was happening but that doesn't mean they knowingly allowed it to continue. That just doesn't make sense to me. Some victims are telling the truth but others might be pushing their story for a pay day. The one thing that's different between the two cases is that ZERO Sandusky victims reported abuse to PSU officials. Several Strauss victims reported abuse to OSU officials. IMO that makes OSU far more guilty than PSU. The difference is that the OSU BOT didn't throw their coaches/employees under the bus hoping that would make things go away. Two more thing were different. One is that there were 10x more alleged victims 10x more people accused of covering up.. The other is that JS maintains his innocence. Dr Strauss committed suicide.
I have difficulty believing that coaches at OSU would go out of their way to defend the guy. Maybe they didn't want to get sued by an athlete reporting the incident but surely they would get rid of the guy or move him into a different role rather than take the risk of knowingly allow further abuse to occur. I felt the same way about Sandusky. Even if administrators and coaches were covering it up why wouldn't they stop the abuse from continuing? Is it possible that they just didn't appreciate the severity of what was being reported?
I have to question some of the victims honesty. A referee said he used the OSU locker room shower after a match. He said it was creepy that Strauss used the locker right next to him and also used the showerhead right next to him. He says that Strauss kept looking at his private area and later seemed to be masturbating. That could certainly happen but this guy was trembling when recounting the story all these years later. Then he said his life was ruined. I can't help but to believe he was playing it up to support a lawsuit against Strauss. Coincidentally I had a similar experience when I was 22 yrs old. My first job out of college required me to pass a physical and I went to the company doctor. He seemed a bit handsy during my physical then called me into his office and asked questions about my sex life. It seemed creepy to me but I let it go. About a year later two other new employees said they had a similar experience. We all laughed about what a creeper Dr Giligan was. If we said something it would have been proper for the company to investigate and take action but none of us were ruined for life or in need of reparations.
In the end I think the whole thing is somewhat similar to Sandusky. Some bad stuff was happening. Administrators and coaches might not have appreciated the severity of what was happening but that doesn't mean they knowingly allowed it to continue. That just doesn't make sense to me. Some victims are telling the truth but others might be pushing their story for a pay day. The one thing that's different between the two cases is that ZERO Sandusky victims reported abuse to PSU officials. Several Strauss victims reported abuse to OSU officials. IMO that makes OSU far more guilty than PSU. The difference is that the OSU BOT didn't throw their coaches/employees under the bus hoping that would make things go away. Two more thing were different. One is that there were 10x more alleged victims 10x more people accused of covering up.. The other is that JS maintains his innocence. Dr Strauss committed suicide.
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I watched it last night as well and came away with pretty much the same view although I will say I think it was far worse than Sandusky. The scope, the number of victims and the actual cover up and ignoring it by Jordan is pretty reprehensible. But what infuriated me most was the lack of anything said by the B1G, The NCAA, ESPN, BTN...
No doubt the OSU situation appears to be much worse. My only defense for them is that I have difficulty believing that so many coaches and administrators across numerous sports would have conspired to cover things up. Some PSU people who said they didn't know also talked about Jerry being Jerry. My gut tells me that a number of OSU people felt that Strauss was being Strauss without appreciating the severity of what was really happening.
I don't know how much everybody knew vs how many were fooled. Regardless it's amazing how many more alleged victims and alleged people covering things up at both MSU & OSU.
Another big difference with those two schools vs PSU is that PSU had a nationally famous and respected coach that the media abused in order to sensationalize their stories.
Ohio State has a loud mouth senator who was made aware of something being off and did nothing, yet the media seems to have largely given him a pass.
- It isn't over yet. Jordan could still be in trouble.
- If you believe the documentary there are dozens of people from a half dozen different sports as well as hospital employees who knowingly covered things up. That seems unlikely to me.
- Why is Jordan being called out more than any of these people including the head wresting coach? Could it be because he's a famous congressman and that makes the best headlines?
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Because he was specifically implicated by some of the victims in the past as having been notified about the situation. His arrogance doesn’t help his cause with me.
I will fully admit its mine. He was the one who wanted investigations into everything but when it comes to that he hides.
It's the hypocrisy that is off the charts.