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StamfordBridgeVikingatLeftOffensiveTackle said:
Finally.

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Penn State to Acquire Former Beta Theta Pi House for $7.3M

Penn State is finalizing an agreement to purchase the former Beta Theta Pi house for $7.3 million, bringing to an end a complicated, yearslong legal
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“Penn State intends to use the property as “swing space on a temporary basis” until a long-term plan is formulated, Thorndike said.”

So, an on-campus meeting place for swingers. Cool.
 
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TheBigUglies said:
Most likely will be demolished promptly after settlement.
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I agree although it would be a shame to demolish such a beautiful, stately structure which has been there for about 100 years. But realistically, leaving it there with no real purpose would be a waste of real estate considering the crush for space in the central campus area. Also, the ARL will be relocating soon so it's likely the two adjacent properties will be combined as part of a yet to be determined redevelopment.
 
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NittPicker said:
I agree although it would be a shame to demolish such a beautiful, stately structure which has been there for about 100 years. But realistically, leaving it there with no real purpose would be a waste of real estate considering the crush for space in the central campus area. Also, the ARL will be relocating soon so it's likely the two adjacent properties will be combined as part of a yet to be determined redevelopment.
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Coming soon, at great cost:

The Patrick Kraft Grand Cathedral of Name, Image and Likeness

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NittPicker said:
I agree although it would be a shame to demolish such a beautiful, stately structure which has been there for about 100 years. But realistically, leaving it there with no real purpose would be a waste of real estate considering the crush for space in the central campus area. Also, the ARL will be relocating soon so it's likely the two adjacent properties will be combined as part of a yet to be determined redevelopment.
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Just going by observations of other frats on campus that were acquired by PSU and the acquisition of the University Club building that was quickly demolished. However, they still didn't demolish the old Kinkos building on College and Atherton or the old music story on Atherton. They seemed to immediately demolish the OW Houts building after they acquired it too. Curious as to what goes into the decision to demolish some quickly and others not so quickly. My guess it they will demolish this frat quickly due to its history so they can erase the memory it like other things they did around campus. It will take a generation for it to completely go away.
 
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TheBigUglies said:
Just going by observations of other frats on campus that were acquired by PSU and the acquisition of the University Club building that was quickly demolished. However, they still didn't demolish the old Kinkos building on College and Atherton or the old music story on Atherton. They seemed to immediately demolish the OW Houts building after they acquired it too. Curious as to what goes into the decision to demolish some quickly and others not so quickly. My guess it they will demolish this frat quickly due to its history so they can erase the memory it like other things they did around campus. It will take a generation for it to completely go away.
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Well, there are differing accounts of what actually happened. The media and the University teamed up on this one for sure.
 
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TheBigUglies said:
Just going by observations of other frats on campus that were acquired by PSU and the acquisition of the University Club building that was quickly demolished. However, they still didn't demolish the old Kinkos building on College and Atherton or the old music story on Atherton. They seemed to immediately demolish the OW Houts building after they acquired it too. Curious as to what goes into the decision to demolish some quickly and others not so quickly. My guess it they will demolish this frat quickly due to its history so they can erase the memory it like other things they did around campus. It will take a generation for it to completely go away.
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IIRC:
I believe the agreement between PSU (under Barron and Sims) with the Piazza's precludes PSU from using that building for a fraternity.

That being the case, I expect it will - in relatively short order (by which, can still mean several years) - no longer exist. That would be a shame, since it is a very grand and beautiful space.
 
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It still drives me crazy that the parents of the poor kid that died still fail to put any responsibility on their son. It was clearly documented he showed up at the Rush party already highly inebriated. They are pushing to destroy the entire fraternity system it seems. I get it, losing a child in such a manner must be beyond devastating. However i would have more respect for them if they stood up and said something along the lines of "my son played a role in his demise as well". My guess is they are constitutionally incapable of admitting they, as parents, played a role in this as well.
 
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EricStratton-RushChairman said:
It still drives me crazy that the parents of the poor kid that died still fail to put any responsibility on their son. It was clearly documented he showed up at the Rush party already highly inebriated. They are pushing to destroy the entire fraternity system it seems. I get it, losing a child in such a manner must be beyond devastating. However i would have more respect for them if they stood up and said something along the lines of "my son played a role in his demise as well". My guess is they are constitutionally incapable of admitting they, as parents, played a role in this as well.
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It still drives me crazy that the parents of the poor kid that died still fail to put any responsibility on their son. It was clearly documented he showed up at the Rush party already highly inebriated. They are pushing to destroy the entire fraternity system it seems. I get it, losing a child in such a manner must be beyond devastating. However i would have more respect for them if they stood up and said something along the lines of "my son played a role in his demise as well". My guess is they are constitutionally incapable of admitting they, as parents, played a role in this as well.
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It's the nature of our legal system. A horrific outlier event occurs and draconian laws named after the victim are passed to regulate the masses thereafter. Millions of people have voluntarily gone through pledge programs without issue. These new hazing laws won't stop that, all it's going to do is leave dumb 18-22 year old college kids with permanent criminal records moving forward.
 
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EricStratton-RushChairman said:
It still drives me crazy that the parents of the poor kid that died still fail to put any responsibility on their son. It was clearly documented he showed up at the Rush party already highly inebriated. They are pushing to destroy the entire fraternity system it seems. I get it, losing a child in such a manner must be beyond devastating. However i would have more respect for them if they stood up and said something along the lines of "my son played a role in his demise as well". My guess is they are constitutionally incapable of admitting they, as parents, played a role in this as well.
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Have you met modern parents?
 
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Do tell.
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Lot's and lots of layers to this whole fiasco. First thing PSU asked in a private meeting with Beta representation post tragic accident was "what are you going to do with the house?" A reckless AG who aspired to be Governor judge shopping with his Civil Attorney friend, and a DA who needed to be tough on crime to win again....The video is very very telling and VERY different than the testimony given at trial.
 
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EricStratton-RushChairman said:
It still drives me crazy that the parents of the poor kid that died still fail to put any responsibility on their son. It was clearly documented he showed up at the Rush party already highly inebriated. They are pushing to destroy the entire fraternity system it seems. I get it, losing a child in such a manner must be beyond devastating. However i would have more respect for them if they stood up and said something along the lines of "my son played a role in his demise as well". My guess is they are constitutionally incapable of admitting they, as parents, played a role in this as well.
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I hate to be that guy, but I can’t help but think that this is pretty rich coming from someone who was just scared that they could lose a grandchild to a tragedy. If I was to say, I would have more respect for your situation if your kids took more responsibility for putting your grandchild in that situation, it probably wouldn’t be received well, would it? It’s all about perspective. It’s pretty easy to critique things from a distance, but a whole different ball game when it hits too close to home. I understand the two situations aren’t exactly the same, but I wouldn’t want to be in the shoes of either parties, so I won’t throw stones at the parents of the young man who lost his life in the frat house. Those frat boys had hours to do the right thing and help the young man who was incapable of helping himself and they chose not to. That’s pretty hard for me to accept, not just as a parent, but as a human being.
 
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LB99 said:
I hate to be that guy, but I can’t help but think that this is pretty rich coming from someone who was just scared that they could lose a grandchild to a tragedy. If I was to say, I would have more respect for your situation if your kids took more responsibility for putting your grandchild in that situation, it probably wouldn’t be received well, would it? It’s all about perspective. It’s pretty easy to critique things from a distance, but a whole different ball game when it hits too close to home. I understand the two situations aren’t exactly the same, but I wouldn’t want to be in the shoes of either parties, so I won’t throw stones at the parents of the young man would lost his life in the frat house. Those frat boys had hours to do the right thing and help the young man who was incapable of helping himself and they chose not to. That’s pretty hard for me to accept, not just as a parent, but as a human being.
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Actually as a recovering alcoholic I am more keen to personal responsibility and taking ownership of one's decisions.

I'm not saying blame doesn't fall heavily on other fraternity members and overall leadership. But clearly he played a role in his own decision making. There was not a gun to his head

But thanks for tying two things together that have zero effing connection.
 
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EricStratton-RushChairman said:
Actually as a recovering alcoholic I am more keen to personal responsibility and taking ownership of one's decisions.

I'm not saying blame doesn't fall heavily on other fraternity members and overall leadership. But clearly he played a role in his own decision making. There was not a gun to his head

But thanks for tying two things together that have zero effing connection.
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I respect your opinion. We all make mistakes and should take responsibility for ourselves. But when we make a mistake and there are people able to help and they chose not too, we have lost our way as a society. Blaming the parents of a 17-19 year old who made a mistake and lost his life while others turned a blind eye and partied on, out of their own selfishness, is at best, a reach.
 
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LB99 said:
I respect your opinion. We all make mistakes and should take responsibility for ourselves. But when we make a mistake and there are people able to help and they chose not too, we have lost our way as a society. Blaming the parents of a 17-19 year old who made a mistake and lost his life while others turned a blind eye and partied on, out of their own selfishness, is at best, a reach.
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I'm not blaming the parents. I'm just saying at no time did they attach any responsibility onto their son for his actions. Sorry if that didn't come across the way I wanted
 
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EricStratton-RushChairman said:
I'm not blaming the parents. I'm just saying at no time did they attach any responsibility onto their son for his actions. Sorry if that didn't come across the way I wanted
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I’m with you on this - losing our way as a society isn’t expecting drunk AF college kids to recognize and treat a (self induced) life-threatening situation, it’s that these kids drink inhuman levels of alcohol and go to these parties (For acceptance? To be cool? Get laid?) in the first place. Lots of blame to go around but the family has acknowledged/accepted zero on behalf of their son - that is a Superhuman level of hubris.
 
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There is no way I can look at this situation and not hold the fraternity responsible. These pledges are in your care and under your traditions. Just like a bartender is responsible, so are the members of the fraternity inside their residence. The amount of alcohol allowed in such a short period of time is beyond comprehension. The negligence afterwards is appalling.
 
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Hotshoe said:
There is no way I can look at this situation and not hold the fraternity responsible. These pledges are in your care and under your traditions. Just like a bartender is responsible, so are the members of the fraternity inside their residence. The amount of alcohol allowed in such a short period of time is beyond comprehension. The negligence afterwards is appalling.
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Agree. Not to mention they are openingly serving underage kids. It’s blatantly illegal. If I did that at my private residence and something happened similar, I would be in cuffs, serving time, and paying fines. Not to mention I’d be all over the news and made out to be a monster. But, because it is a sacred “fraternity”, somehow people want to shift blame to the kids. There has to be an adult in the room at these places to exercise common sense and safety. If there isn’t, that’s 100% on the fraternity and its members. The buck stops at the top.
 
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Hotshoe said:
There is no way I can look at this situation and not hold the fraternity responsible. These pledges are in your care and under your traditions. Just like a bartender is responsible, so are the members of the fraternity inside their residence. The amount of alcohol allowed in such a short period of time is beyond comprehension. The negligence afterwards is appalling.
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Exactly- the entire facility and everybody in it was under their care, custody, and control. They failed, totally.

Was the kid stupid? yea- but that does nothing to diminish the frat's responsibility.
 
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Hotshoe said:
There is no way I can look at this situation and not hold the fraternity responsible. These pledges are in your care and under your traditions. Just like a bartender is responsible, so are the members of the fraternity inside their residence. The amount of alcohol allowed in such a short period of time is beyond comprehension. The negligence afterwards is appalling.
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None of the other attendees died that night. Why? Served less alcohol? Tucked in at night by fraternity members? Drank less prior to arriving?Sorry - kid takes responsibility too. Not all, but his fair share.
 
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Midnighter said:
None of the other attendees died that night. Why? Served less alcohol? Tucked in at night by fraternity members? Drank less prior to arriving?Sorry - kid takes responsibility too. Not all, but his fair share.
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I’m not going to pretend to know all the fine details here. However, if the kid showed up overly intoxicated, and he was served/allowed to drink more at the frat, isn’t that also on the fraternity? Why wasn’t he turned away at the door? Look, I get personal responsibility, but the fraternity and it’s members failed to recognize a situation that lead to a young person losing their life on their premises. The kid fell multiple times and instead of seeking help for him, they threw him on a couch and continued to party until the morning when he was found unresponsive. They had an opportunity to help the situation and they chose not to. Sorry, but there is culpability there. Regardless, of the popularity of that within the frat bro community, that’s the reality of it.
 
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NittPicker said:
I agree although it would be a shame to demolish such a beautiful, stately structure which has been there for about 100 years. But realistically, leaving it there with no real purpose would be a waste of real estate considering the crush for space in the central campus area. Also, the ARL will be relocating soon so it's likely the two adjacent properties will be combined as part of a yet to be determined redevelopment.
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They’d be smart to think about a banquet space for donor events and fundraising.

I know there’s a bad history but it’s a wonderful old house that seems to be reasonably well cared for versus other fraternities.
 
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BobPSU92 said:
The piazzas made the most out of the victim card, and of course, PSU was more than willing to comply. Something on campus was even named after the kid. Such bullsh|t. For f*ck’s sake.
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Again, easy to criticize from a thousand miles away. I hope you never have to experience the loss of a child.
 
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