Feeding America and the corruption of food charities

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Donations for Feeding America and other food charities have been relentlessly pushed by certain political and social influencing organizations during the pandemic. When so many groups push for a single charity, then maybe it's time to start peeling the onion back. This article is from 2014, but it gives insight to some of the appeals that we are seeing for donations to food charities.

https://nypost.com/2014/09/28/feeding-america-public-service-lies/

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But most of all, the ads inform us of a horror we’d otherwise think impossible: America has so failed its children that 17 million — one in five — don’t have enough to eat.

Except that, enjoyable as all this self-loathing might seem, it’s simply a fairy tale.

America’s children aren’t starving, not even slightly — not by any measure, survey or study.

If anything, too many kids are eating too much of the wrong stuff. Which is why the nation’s first lady is leading an anti-obesity campaign.

The only basis for Feeding America’s claim comes from US Department of Agriculture surveys in which heads of households were asked if at any time during a calendar year their children were a) unable to eat what they wanted; b) unable to eat in whatever quantity they wanted; c) forced to eat cheaper brands, or d) afraid their food supply might run out on any single day.


Fully 85.5 percent said “no”; just 14.5 percent replied “yes.”

The Agriculture Department tendentiously labels the latter group “food insecure.” And it is from this number, and this number alone, that Feeding America gets its nonsensical claim that one in five kids is fighting starvation daily.

The truth is far different; this is an issue that’s been studied for decades.

Look at Census polling that asks heads of households if any member of the family missed even a single meal, on one day a year, because of a lack of resources: Only 0.01 percent said “yes” — one out of 1,000.

This is what US taxpayers should expect: We spend almost $1 trillion a year on state and federal safety-net programs for the 46 million people defined as living in poverty ($21,000 per individual, nearly $87,000 per family of four).

But what harm is it if “Feeding America” exaggerates in order to get nutritious food to poor kids who do fall through the cracks?

Well, the motive here isn’t remotely altruistic. Forbes magazine lists Feeding America as the fourth-largest nonprofit in America.

And, as Paul Roderick Gregory notes in a Forbes column, the group’s “CEO earns over a half million dollars.

Its corporate sponsors represent America’s largest agribusiness companies, food processors and retailers (Conagra, Food Lion, General Mills, Kelloggs, Kroger, Pepsico and Walmart).”

If you make or sell food, you want to inculcate brand loyalty at the youngest age possible. And to get the public thinking we’re still not spending enough on food — never mind that 35 percent of poor kids are obese.


But the damage from the Feeding America campaign is far more insidious. Above all else, it promotes the perception that our free-market system — which, lest we forget, enables America to be the most generous and socially conscious country in history — has barely progressed beyond the sweat-shop era.

In other words, the campaign doesn’t just serve the interests of Big (Agri)Business, it boosts Big Government.

“Propaganda skillfully employed will convince people living in paradise they are living in hell, and people living in hell they are living in paradise”: That’s how Adolf Hitler once put it.


The Feeding America spots are distributed via the Ad Council, the nonprofit public-service-announcement broker that for 70 years has been addressing us as dimwitted 10-year-olds, forever warning of looming menace on our perilous journey from erection to resurrection.

Not coincidentally, the US Department of Agriculture is a major Ad Council client.

By feeding the false perception of rampant child hunger, the Ad Council is aiding and abetting the eternal bureaucratic demand for more studies, more personnel, greater influence and bigger budgets. Believing this demagoguery is the greatest peril.
 

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Donations for Feeding America and other food charities have been relentlessly pushed by certain political and social influencing organizations during the pandemic. When so many groups push for a single charity, then maybe it's time to start peeling the onion back. This article is from 2014, but it gives insight to some of the appeals that we are seeing for donations to food charities.

https://nypost.com/2014/09/28/feeding-america-public-service-lies/

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But most of all, the ads inform us of a horror we’d otherwise think impossible: America has so failed its children that 17 million — one in five — don’t have enough to eat.

Except that, enjoyable as all this self-loathing might seem, it’s simply a fairy tale.

America’s children aren’t starving, not even slightly — not by any measure, survey or study.

If anything, too many kids are eating too much of the wrong stuff. Which is why the nation’s first lady is leading an anti-obesity campaign.

The only basis for Feeding America’s claim comes from US Department of Agriculture surveys in which heads of households were asked if at any time during a calendar year their children were a) unable to eat what they wanted; b) unable to eat in whatever quantity they wanted; c) forced to eat cheaper brands, or d) afraid their food supply might run out on any single day.


Fully 85.5 percent said “no”; just 14.5 percent replied “yes.”

The Agriculture Department tendentiously labels the latter group “food insecure.” And it is from this number, and this number alone, that Feeding America gets its nonsensical claim that one in five kids is fighting starvation daily.

The truth is far different; this is an issue that’s been studied for decades.

Look at Census polling that asks heads of households if any member of the family missed even a single meal, on one day a year, because of a lack of resources: Only 0.01 percent said “yes” — one out of 1,000.

This is what US taxpayers should expect: We spend almost $1 trillion a year on state and federal safety-net programs for the 46 million people defined as living in poverty ($21,000 per individual, nearly $87,000 per family of four).

But what harm is it if “Feeding America” exaggerates in order to get nutritious food to poor kids who do fall through the cracks?

Well, the motive here isn’t remotely altruistic. Forbes magazine lists Feeding America as the fourth-largest nonprofit in America.

And, as Paul Roderick Gregory notes in a Forbes column, the group’s “CEO earns over a half million dollars.

Its corporate sponsors represent America’s largest agribusiness companies, food processors and retailers (Conagra, Food Lion, General Mills, Kelloggs, Kroger, Pepsico and Walmart).”

If you make or sell food, you want to inculcate brand loyalty at the youngest age possible. And to get the public thinking we’re still not spending enough on food — never mind that 35 percent of poor kids are obese.


But the damage from the Feeding America campaign is far more insidious. Above all else, it promotes the perception that our free-market system — which, lest we forget, enables America to be the most generous and socially conscious country in history — has barely progressed beyond the sweat-shop era.

In other words, the campaign doesn’t just serve the interests of Big (Agri)Business, it boosts Big Government.

“Propaganda skillfully employed will convince people living in paradise they are living in hell, and people living in hell they are living in paradise”: That’s how Adolf Hitler once put it.


The Feeding America spots are distributed via the Ad Council, the nonprofit public-service-announcement broker that for 70 years has been addressing us as dimwitted 10-year-olds, forever warning of looming menace on our perilous journey from erection to resurrection.

Not coincidentally, the US Department of Agriculture is a major Ad Council client.

By feeding the false perception of rampant child hunger, the Ad Council is aiding and abetting the eternal bureaucratic demand for more studies, more personnel, greater influence and bigger budgets. Believing this demagoguery is the greatest peril.
Congrats on finding an article for 2014 that fits your narrative. Good job, good effort
 

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Please ban OP

I don’t have a problem with the CEO of Red Cross making that much

what do you think the CEO should make?
 
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Gave up on the Red Cross when we found out it was paying its CEO one million a year and that was 15 years ago.
Dude, the Red Cross is a pretty big deal. One mil for the CEO of one of the top NGOs in America isn’t really too extravagant. I’d be more concerned with how much of their operating budget goes toward
the actual purpose of the charity/NGO.
 

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Since you have the need to burden us with a seven year old opinion piece written by a New York freelance writer I thought I would share some prospective published one week later in the Tampa Bay Times.


Oh, because we all know how reliable and unbiased fact checks are these days.

Let me share another perspective:

The fact check:
- is solely rooted on the word "starvation" to arrive at its conclusion, despite all other points and information presented.
- does not refute the exaggeration of the issue in an effort to lobby for more government expenditure.
- does not refute how much federal government money already goes toward food programs, and whether that money is insufficient to need to rely on a relentless public appeal of donations.
- does not refute the egregious salaries of the executives at Feeding America.
- does not refute that a large number of poor children are actually obese.
- does not refute the effort of building brand loyalty by the largest Agribusinesses in the country

And not to mention, the author is a Politifact staff writer. Why does someone with Politifact need to even fact check an op-ed against a non-profit if there is not an underlying political root to the corruption?
 

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Why do they need to spend so much money on lobbying? That $1.35 million in 2020 could have fed a lot of people during the pandemic.

Lobbying

$1,354,397 in 2020
$767,821 in 2019

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/feeding-america/summary?id=D000050838

There also appears to be a trend on the political contributions from their employees. Why are their employees making political donations when they can be converting that money into contributions for their own charity? Is it because they plan on getting more money from the government if they can place the "return the favor" people in power?

"I'm going to ask you to make a donation to my charity, but I'm actually going to use my own money to donate to a political campaign." Seems highly altruistic.
Biden, Joe$8,769$8,769$0Candidate (D-PRES)
Harrison, Jaime$3,033$3,033$0Candidate (D-SCS2)
Fair Fight PAC$1,233$1,233$0Carey
Kelly, Mark$1,187$1,187$0Candidate (D-AZS1)
Gideon, Sara$1,087$1,087$0Candidate (D-MES2)
McGrath, Amy$993$993$0Candidate (D-KYS1)
Sanders, Bernie$654$654$0Candidate (I-VTS1)
Buttigieg, Pete$560$560$0Candidate (D-PRES)
Ossoff, Jon$485$485$0Candidate (D-GAS1)
Warnock, Raphael$403$403$0Candidate (D-GAS2)
Cunningham, Cal$310$310$0Candidate (D-NCS1)
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Warren, Elizabeth$291$291$0Candidate (D-MAS1)
Hickenlooper, John$278$278$0Candidate (D-COS2)
Harris, Kamala$250$250$0Candidate (D-CAS1)
Espy, Mike$166$166$0Candidate (D-MSS1)
DNC Services Corp$150$150$0Political Party
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Democratic Senatorial Campaign Cmte$118$118$0Political Party
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Newman, Marie$25$25$0Candidate (D-IL03)
Underwood, Lauren A$25$25$0Candidate (D-IL14)
Trump, Donald$25$25$0Candidate (R-PRES)
Porter, Katie$25$25$0Candidate (D-CA45)
Ghebreghiorgis, Andom$20$20$0Candidate (D-NY16)
Powered By People$20$20$0Carey
Webb, Cameron$12$12$0Candidate (D-VA05)
Romanoff, Andrew$10$10$0Candidate (D-COS2)
Tlaib, Rashida$5$5$0Candidate (D-MI13)
Eastman, Kara$5$5$0Candidate (D-NE02)
 

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Why do they need to spend so much money on lobbying? That $1.35 million in 2020 could have fed a lot of people during the pandemic.

Lobbying

$1,354,397 in 2020
$767,821 in 2019

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/feeding-america/summary?id=D000050838

There also appears to be a trend on the political contributions from their employees. Why are their employees making political donations when they can be converting that money into contributions for their own charity? Is it because they plan on getting more money from the government if they can place the "return the favor" people in power?

"I'm going to ask you to make a donation to my charity, but I'm actually going to use my own money to donate to a political campaign." Seems highly altruistic.
Biden, Joe$8,769$8,769$0Candidate (D-PRES)
Harrison, Jaime$3,033$3,033$0Candidate (D-SCS2)
Fair Fight PAC$1,233$1,233$0Carey
Kelly, Mark$1,187$1,187$0Candidate (D-AZS1)
Gideon, Sara$1,087$1,087$0Candidate (D-MES2)
McGrath, Amy$993$993$0Candidate (D-KYS1)
Sanders, Bernie$654$654$0Candidate (I-VTS1)
Buttigieg, Pete$560$560$0Candidate (D-PRES)
Ossoff, Jon$485$485$0Candidate (D-GAS1)
Warnock, Raphael$403$403$0Candidate (D-GAS2)
Cunningham, Cal$310$310$0Candidate (D-NCS1)
Casten, Sean$300$300$0Candidate (D-IL06)
Warren, Elizabeth$291$291$0Candidate (D-MAS1)
Hickenlooper, John$278$278$0Candidate (D-COS2)
Harris, Kamala$250$250$0Candidate (D-CAS1)
Espy, Mike$166$166$0Candidate (D-MSS1)
DNC Services Corp$150$150$0Political Party
Peters, Gary$137$137$0Candidate (D-MIS1)
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Hegar, MJ$74$74$0Candidate (D-TXS1)
Ocasio-Cortez, Alexandria$67$67$0Candidate (D-NY14)
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Bollier, Barbara$59$59$0Candidate (D-KSS1)
Markey, Ed$50$50$0Candidate (D-MAS2)
Bush, Cori$50$50$0Candidate (D-MO01)
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Jones, Doug$37$37$0Candidate (D-ALS1)
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Bloc PAC$30$30$0Outside Group
Ehr, Phil$30$30$0Candidate (D-FL01)
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Underwood, Lauren A$25$25$0Candidate (D-IL14)
Trump, Donald$25$25$0Candidate (R-PRES)
Porter, Katie$25$25$0Candidate (D-CA45)
Ghebreghiorgis, Andom$20$20$0Candidate (D-NY16)
Powered By People$20$20$0Carey
Webb, Cameron$12$12$0Candidate (D-VA05)
Romanoff, Andrew$10$10$0Candidate (D-COS2)
Tlaib, Rashida$5$5$0Candidate (D-MI13)
Eastman, Kara$5$5$0Candidate (D-NE02)
Take this to the political board.
 

JohnBlue

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Dude, the Red Cross is a pretty big deal. One mil for the CEO of one of the top NGOs in America isn’t really too extravagant. I’d be more concerned with how much of their operating budget goes toward
the actual purpose of the charity/NGO.

If you have enough money to play your employee's that much you don't need any money. IIRC about ten cents on the dollar goes to what you're donating towards. That doesn't count the money given to some locations that those collecting it keep without ever turning it in.
 

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Gleaning programs is one the best ways. Family out in CA says seniors and low-income can get produce that isn't supermarket quality, otherwise it just become waste. Remember the milk farmers poured out last year, could have been made into powder or cheese.
 
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Why do they need to spend so much money on lobbying? That $1.35 million in 2020 could have fed a lot of people during the pandemic.

Lobbying

$1,354,397 in 2020
$767,821 in 2019

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/feeding-america/summary?id=D000050838

There also appears to be a trend on the political contributions from their employees. Why are their employees making political donations when they can be converting that money into contributions for their own charity? Is it because they plan on getting more money from the government if they can place the "return the favor" people in power?

"I'm going to ask you to make a donation to my charity, but I'm actually going to use my own money to donate to a political campaign." Seems highly altruistic.
Biden, Joe$8,769$8,769$0Candidate (D-PRES)
Harrison, Jaime$3,033$3,033$0Candidate (D-SCS2)
Fair Fight PAC$1,233$1,233$0Carey
Kelly, Mark$1,187$1,187$0Candidate (D-AZS1)
Gideon, Sara$1,087$1,087$0Candidate (D-MES2)
McGrath, Amy$993$993$0Candidate (D-KYS1)
Sanders, Bernie$654$654$0Candidate (I-VTS1)
Buttigieg, Pete$560$560$0Candidate (D-PRES)
Ossoff, Jon$485$485$0Candidate (D-GAS1)
Warnock, Raphael$403$403$0Candidate (D-GAS2)
Cunningham, Cal$310$310$0Candidate (D-NCS1)
Casten, Sean$300$300$0Candidate (D-IL06)
Warren, Elizabeth$291$291$0Candidate (D-MAS1)
Hickenlooper, John$278$278$0Candidate (D-COS2)
Harris, Kamala$250$250$0Candidate (D-CAS1)
Espy, Mike$166$166$0Candidate (D-MSS1)
DNC Services Corp$150$150$0Political Party
Peters, Gary$137$137$0Candidate (D-MIS1)
Democratic Senatorial Campaign Cmte$118$118$0Political Party
Brown, Moe$100$100$0Candidate (D-SC05)
Bullock, Steve$90$90$0Candidate (D-MTS2)
Hegar, MJ$74$74$0Candidate (D-TXS1)
Ocasio-Cortez, Alexandria$67$67$0Candidate (D-NY14)
Greenfield, Theresa$60$60$0Candidate (D-IAS2)
Klobuchar, Amy$60$60$0Candidate (D-MNS2)
Bollier, Barbara$59$59$0Candidate (D-KSS1)
Markey, Ed$50$50$0Candidate (D-MAS2)
Bush, Cori$50$50$0Candidate (D-MO01)
Gross, Al$50$50$0Candidate (I-AKS1)
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Jones, Doug$37$37$0Candidate (D-ALS1)
Buttar, Shahid$35$35$0Candidate (D-CA12)
Bloc PAC$30$30$0Outside Group
Ehr, Phil$30$30$0Candidate (D-FL01)
Pelosi, Nancy$28$28$0Candidate (D-CA12)
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Underwood, Lauren A$25$25$0Candidate (D-IL14)
Trump, Donald$25$25$0Candidate (R-PRES)
Porter, Katie$25$25$0Candidate (D-CA45)
Ghebreghiorgis, Andom$20$20$0Candidate (D-NY16)
Powered By People$20$20$0Carey
Webb, Cameron$12$12$0Candidate (D-VA05)
Romanoff, Andrew$10$10$0Candidate (D-COS2)
Tlaib, Rashida$5$5$0Candidate (D-MI13)
Eastman, Kara$5$5$0Candidate (D-NE02)
How do you know they aren’t donating towards the charity as well? People are able to donate to both.
 

BeAllied

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How do you know they aren’t donating towards the charity as well? People are able to donate to both.

How does anyone arrive at a decision to donate to a political candidate? You would think the people working for Feeding America would pause and say, "Maybe this money could go to a better cause, like the one I'm working for, than a political campaign that will waste it on paying themselves, their friends, their launderers, and distributing propaganda." But then maybe the irony will set it in that their charity employer spends the money the exact same way as the campaign?

Not that it would matter if they donated back to Feeding America because it looks like that money was spent on lobbying anyway, so at the end of the day, it probably still ended up in the hands of the same corrupt syndicate of people.
 
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The Great Depression


Covid-19
 

BeAllied

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The Great Depression


Covid-19

Nothing about these pictures indicates that Feeding America was involved with helping any of these people. Do you think the $1.35m that FA spent on lobbying in 2020 could have fed all those people in line?

Also, I don't see too many junky cars in the COVID-impacted lines. The short-term issue with COVID was people hoarding, which caused grocery stores to run out of items due to a strain on the supply chain. It wasn't necessarily that people couldn't afford food. The overwhelming number of people who need assistance from a food bank don't have cars and instead use public transportation. Where are the buses?
 

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Oh, because we all know how reliable and unbiased fact checks are these days.

Let me share another perspective:

The fact check:
- is solely rooted on the word "starvation" to arrive at its conclusion, despite all other points and information presented.
- does not refute the exaggeration of the issue in an effort to lobby for more government expenditure.
- does not refute how much federal government money already goes toward food programs, and whether that money is insufficient to need to rely on a relentless public appeal of donations.
- does not refute the egregious salaries of the executives at Feeding America.
- does not refute that a large number of poor children are actually obese.
- does not refute the effort of building brand loyalty by the largest Agribusinesses in the country

And not to mention, the author is a Politifact staff writer. Why does someone with Politifact need to even fact check an op-ed against a non-profit if there is not an underlying political root to the corruption?
You are extrapolating from a 7 year old article that food charities are using certain language to indoctrinate us all to communism and he is the one using unreliable assumptions?
 

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Charity Navigator on Feeding America

92.42 score

98.6% goes to program expenses.

Their income was 2.83 billion for FYE 2019.


But hey, worry about they $250 donated by an employee to Kamala Harris.

perhaps the lobbying has a really good ROI for the program and is an investment instead of whatever you think it is

What do they do with that money though? Do they buy brand name products or do they go with the lower-cost value brands to stretch the donations even further? Does it all get funneled back to food producers and retailers that donate to certain people?

How can we be confident in the independence of Charity Navigator? Is it like the Better Business Bureau where a company can pay money to make bad reviews go away? Can you manipulate your score in anyway?

Also, why do they need to pay their former CEO over $1m/year. What's up with that?

Compensation of Leaders (FYE 06/2019)



Other Salaries of Note
Compensation% of ExpensesPaid toTitle
$206,501 0.00% Claire Babineaux-FontenotChief Executive Officer
$1,078,323 0.03% Diana AvivFormer Chief Executive Officer
 

BeAllied

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You are extrapolating from a 7 year old article that food charities are using certain language to indoctrinate us all to communism and he is the one using unreliable assumptions?

Are the 7-year old issues presented by the original article still relevant? What about the other information presented related to their actions within the past 2 years?
 

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For real though, just donate locally.

It's important to ask questions of local charities as well. One question I would ask is, "What is your policy for excess food reserves nearing expiration?"

Do they re-sell their reserves for cash? I used to live near an Amish grocery that would procure their groceries through food re-sellers. They could buy near-expired or damaged product for pennies on the dollar, and most of their stuff was near-expiration or already expired. But many of the Amish didn't care about what the FDA had to say about it, and if the food went to waste, then it wasn't much loss for the grocery because they only paid pennies on the dollar for it anyway.

This is also one of the issues with food stamp abuse. People can convert their food stamps into product, and then re-sell that product to local convenience stores for cash. It's heavily discounted from the convenience store's perspective, and the food stamp abusers have cash to convert to drugs, cigarettes, etc.

Asking questions isn't about denigrating the cause, it's about keeping people accountable. Who would argue against accountability except somebody who benefits from corruption?
 

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It's important to ask questions of local charities as well. One question I would ask is, "What is your policy for excess food reserves nearing expiration?"

Do they re-sell their reserves for cash? I used to live near an Amish grocery that would procure their groceries through food re-sellers. They could buy near-expired or damaged product for pennies on the dollar, and most of their stuff was near-expiration or already expired. But many of the Amish didn't care about what the FDA had to say about it, and if the food went to waste, then it wasn't much loss for the grocery because they only paid pennies on the dollar for it anyway.

This is also one of the issues with food stamp abuse. People can convert their food stamps into product, and then re-sell that product to local convenience stores for cash. It's heavily discounted from the convenience store's perspective, and the food stamp abusers have cash to convert to drugs, cigarettes, etc.

Asking questions isn't about denigrating the cause, it's about keeping people accountable. Who would argue against accountability except somebody who benefits from corruption?
I don't know that I would assume corruption. We have a food bank at our church. Do people take advantage of it? Probably. Do I care? Nope. That's on them. I happily donate and hopefully they happily eat the food.

Acting like there aren't food issues with a lot of children though is kind of disengenuous. There are tons of kids that have food issues. If you have kids ask them about kids at their school. Maybe you live in a neighborhood where you're not around poor people and you underestimate the problem because it's not in your circle of reference. I don't know what your experience is, but IMO I would much rather err on the side of doing too much when it comes to feeding people than doing too little. We live in the wealthiest most prosperous country that has ever existed on Earth. People that live here should not be hungry. It's a failure of our society and culture if they are.
 

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I don't know that I would assume corruption. We have a food bank at our church. Do people take advantage of it? Probably. Do I care? Nope. That's on them. I happily donate and hopefully they happily eat the food.

Acting like there aren't food issues with a lot of children though is kind of disengenuous. There are tons of kids that have food issues. If you have kids ask them about kids at their school. Maybe you live in a neighborhood where you're not around poor people and you underestimate the problem because it's not in your circle of reference. I don't know what your experience is, but IMO I would much rather err on the side of doing too much when it comes to feeding people than doing too little. We live in the wealthiest most prosperous country that has ever existed on Earth. People that live here should not be hungry. It's a failure of our society and culture if they are.

To say "food issues" is too broad. Nobody denies that there are "issues". But if you are saying that one of the issues is "obese children" and the solution is needing more money to only buy overpriced organic foods from people like Bill Gates or whomever benefited from the Michele Obama school lunch program, then some might call that a racket.

We should want to know if the federal expenditure on the issues is adequate or underfunded, and if it is adequate, then what underlying failures are occurring? Why are additional non-profits seeking donations needed if the issues are adequately funded already? Is it a scam to siphon money?

And if the issue is underfunded, then what business does our government have sending money overseas for line items like "gender programs in Pakistan" when we have a domestic underfunding of basic necessity at home? How much more money is needed to achieve a level of adequacy?
 
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Nothing about these pictures indicates that Feeding America was involved with helping any of these people. Do you think the $1.35m that FA spent on lobbying in 2020 could have fed all those people in line?

Also, I don't see too many junky cars in the COVID-impacted lines. The short-term issue with COVID was people hoarding, which caused grocery stores to run out of items due to a strain on the supply chain. It wasn't necessarily that people couldn't afford food. The overwhelming number of people who need assistance from a food bank don't have cars and instead use public transportation. Where are the buses?
lmao. Thousands were going hungry and this guy wants to make them get a license or something in order to eat.

Be upset there are scams and corruption in many institutions including local and state govt, but they're not going away either.
 

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lmao. Thousands were going hungry and this guy wants to make them get a license or something in order to eat.

Be upset there are scams and corruption in many institutions including local and state govt, but they're not going away either.

And because these scams and corruption are not going away, it's important for people to make informed decisions before choosing to part with their money or support.