Fight during EKY high school baseball game leads to felony charges

[neilborders]

Won't try to embed the video, but you can see it here.

Pike County Central player punches a player from Lawerence County and supposedly knocks him out. But the Pike Central player didn't stop there, as reports say he hit him 3-4 times. One report says the Lawerence Co. player was unconscious for about 8 minutes.

The Pike player was charged with 2nd degree assault, which carries a sentence of 5-10 years.

 

[Lord_Crow]

Need to start locking up these idiots that watch too much UFC.

 

[neilborders]

The charge has been amended down to 4th degree assault, which is a misdemeanor.

 

[Calf]

Lawrence County and Pike Central are district rivals. Elkins is a 3 sport star at PC. Don't think anything happened in football but during the basketball season, Lawrence County tried to rough him up a bit with hard fouls and such. LC and PC played the night before and the LC kid was jawing and threatening Elkins and he let it go. The night of the fight, the boy came into 2nd with spikes up and then threatened to whip Elkins. That's pretty much when Elkins snapped. He shouldn't have done it but he's 18 and he let a lot go. The umpires are partially to blame for not getting control of it earlier in the game. From what I've heard the LC kid was checked out at the hospital and released with no broken bones or any other problems.

He should have never been charged with Assault 2nd. At most he should have been charged with Assault 4th, which Norm said it has been amended to. He will probably be made to complete a diversion program, and do some community service. From all accounts he is a good kid and has never been in any type of trouble. He has signed to play football at Union. Hopefully this screw up doesn't effect anything there and he learns from it. I don't condone his reaction but I understand it.

 

[neilborders]

He's extremely lucky. If he had broken any bones then the felony probably sticks. If the Lawrence Co. player was indeed unconscious for 8 minutes then I think there's an argument to be made that it was a felony any way.

 

[Calf]

He's extremely lucky. If he had broken any bones then the felony probably sticks. If the Lawrence Co. player was indeed unconscious for 8 minutes then I think there's an argument to be made that it was a felony any way.

I've worked in law enforcement for 12 years and I've seen way worse things get amended down to lesser charges. I've seen way worse actions not get charged with anything near this. For some reason the assistant county attorney over charged when the criminal complaint was filed. If it hadn't have been caught on camera, and made the news, it would have never made it that far. Hopefully it will be something everybody involved learns something from.

 

[Free_Salato_Blue]

Roid rage?

 

[Altro Cat]

Local news covered this the night after it happened and there was no mention of the LC player being unconscious. The report there was that he was taken to the hospital and released that night with no injuries and no broken bones.

 

[ukfan03]

Lawrence County and Pike Central are district rivals. Elkins is a 3 sport star at PC. Don't think anything happened in football but during the basketball season, Lawrence County tried to rough him up a bit with hard fouls and such. LC and PC played the night before and the LC kid was jawing and threatening Elkins and he let it go. The night of the fight, the boy came into 2nd with spikes up and then threatened to whip Elkins. That's pretty much when Elkins snapped. He shouldn't have done it but he's 18 and he let a lot go. The umpires are partially to blame for not getting control of it earlier in the game. From what I've heard the LC kid was checked out at the hospital and released with no broken bones or any other problems.

He should have never been charged with Assault 2nd. At most he should have been charged with Assault 4th, which Norm said it has been amended to. He will probably be made to complete a diversion program, and do some community service. From all accounts he is a good kid and has never been in any type of trouble. He has signed to play football at Union. Hopefully this screw up doesn't effect anything there and he learns from it. I don't condone his reaction but I understand it.

It doesn't matter what the LC kid said. He didn't punch Elkins in the middle of a game. I played middle infield in high school and had guys come in with spikes up often. I never walked over and punched them in the face. There's no excuse for it.

 

[Calf]

It doesn't matter what the LC kid said. He didn't punch Elkins in the middle of a game. I played middle infield in high school and had guys come in with spikes up often. I never walked over and punched them in the face. There's no excuse for it.

It's not just that he said one thing. It was a culmination of multiple threats and actions by the LC kid. In the previous game the same LC kid tripped one of the PC players as he was rounding the bases. Dirty player. The LC kid told him he was going to kick his *** after the game, so basically Elkins finally said why wait. The dad of the LC kid was in the stands telling everybody that his boy was going to kick Elkins' ***. Sounds like a stand up family all around.

Elkins lost his composure and the LC kid wrote a check with his mouth that he couldn't cash. The LC kid and his dad got a bruised ego.

Not excusing it and not condoning it but criminal charges for something that happened in a baseball game is insane. The umps should have never let it get to that point. Elkins should have been ejected as he was and he should have been suspended for the max number of games that KHSAA allows, which he was. That should have been the end of it.

 

[Calf]

Roid rage?

Doubtful. 5'11" 175 lbs., not exactly a monster.

 

[H-D cat]

Lawrence County and Pike Central are district rivals. Elkins is a 3 sport star at PC. Don't think anything happened in football but during the basketball season, Lawrence County tried to rough him up a bit with hard fouls and such. LC and PC played the night before and the LC kid was jawing and threatening Elkins and he let it go. The night of the fight, the boy came into 2nd with spikes up and then threatened to whip Elkins. That's pretty much when Elkins snapped. He shouldn't have done it but he's 18 and he let a lot go. The umpires are partially to blame for not getting control of it earlier in the game. From what I've heard the LC kid was checked out at the hospital and released with no broken bones or any other problems.

He should have never been charged with Assault 2nd. At most he should have been charged with Assault 4th, which Norm said it has been amended to. He will probably be made to complete a diversion program, and do some community service. From all accounts he is a good kid and has never been in any type of trouble. He has signed to play football at Union. Hopefully this screw up doesn't effect anything there and he learns from it. I don't condone his reaction but I understand it.

Looks like the Pike County Baghdad Bob is here.

I couldn't care less about either program, but this enabling mentality for a 'three sport star', going to Union mind you, is what turns these kids into little jerks in the first place.

 

[Calf]

Looks like the Pike County Baghdad Bob is here.

I couldn't care less about either program, but this enabling mentality for a 'three sport star', going to Union mind you, is what turns these kids into little jerks in the first place.

Nothing about enabling. Enabling would be if he constantly had issues and people kept trying to keep him out of trouble. According to his coach, school administrators, and droves of community members, he has never had a disciplinary problem in his life. By all accounts he is a good person. He is far from a "little jerk". He screwed up. I guess you've never done anything stupid or lost your cool. I don't condone it but it shouldn't have been a criminal charge.

BTW, why belittle a kid for working hard and getting an athletic scholarship. No matter Union or wherever. Where did you play your college ball?

 

[CardFan1130]

Don't "athletic scholarships" to places like Union mean that they basically buy your books?

 

[Chuckinden]

I don't know the whole story, so I won't comment on this particular situation. However, I don't like the law getting involved with on field altercations between opposing players in sports. This situation may have warranted it if the schools wasn't doing anything to rectify it.

 

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

Doesn't matter what one kid was saying to another; it doesn't warrant that behavior. If you can't handle opposing players jawing at you; you definitely not need to be playing sports.

Assault 4th is ultimately the correct charge. But from the looks of that suckered punch, the kid better be extremely glad he didn't break bones or cause some other serious injury; or the felony assault 2nd would've been an easy case.

 

[gerald007]

Nothing about enabling. Enabling would be if he constantly had issues and people kept trying to keep him out of trouble. According to his coach, school administrators, and droves of community members, he has never had a disciplinary problem in his life. By all accounts he is a good person. He is far from a "little jerk". He screwed up. I guess you've never done anything stupid or lost your cool. I don't condone it but it shouldn't have been a criminal charge.

BTW, why belittle a kid for working hard and getting an athletic scholarship. No matter Union or wherever. Where did you play your college ball?

Thanks for your comments in this thread, Mr. Elkins. You still shouldn't have hit the kid.

 

[catsfanbgky]

What ? So you are saying because they are inside the white lines, all laws are off ? Glad the kid did not have a blade or a gun based on your beliefs.

I have no dog in the hunt, but here is my 2 Cents. I know how rivals in HS go we had 3/4 teams in the county. It happens a lot. Kid should not kept running his mouth. I mean SOUNDS like the kid tried to take the high road, and the boy was just determined to eventually fight. Well, he finally got it, maybe he should have took the high road. Damn, I bet a few of you posting here got your *** handed to a bunch in school. Or you stayed at home in your yard playing ball with mommy and daddy beating up on little bro.

 

[8titles_rivals270261]

It looks like a sucker punch, not a fight. If the kid was running his mouth on the baseball field there are much easier ways to get him back, like the old slap tag to the face at first, or an over throw at first and step on his arm while running after the ball. You could even just straight up throw at him. All of that is better than a sucker punch.

 

[We-Todd-Did]

Doesn't matter what one kid was saying to another; it doesn't warrant that behavior. If you can't handle opposing players jawing at you; you definitely not need to be playing sports.

Assault 4th is ultimately the correct charge. But from the looks of that suckered punch, the kid better be extremely glad he didn't break bones or cause some other serious injury; or the felony assault 2nd would've been an easy case.

This is the way I see it as well. No amount of jawing, mouths cashing cans of whoopass, etc. justifies this. If he can't handle himself in a high school game then he wont be able to handle himself in a college game. Give the scholarship to a kid who can.

 

[Chuckinden]

What ? So you are saying because they are inside the white lines, all laws are off ? Glad the kid did not have a blade or a gun based on your beliefs.

I have no dog in the hunt, but here is my 2 Cents. I know how rivals in HS go we had 3/4 teams in the county. It happens a lot. Kid should not kept running his mouth. I mean SOUNDS like the kid tried to take the high road, and the boy was just determined to eventually fight. Well, he finally got it, maybe he should have took the high road. Damn, I bet a few of you posting here got your *** handed to a bunch in school. Or you stayed at home in your yard playing ball with mommy and daddy beating up on little bro.

Where do you draw the line bringing the law into the equation. Pretty soon you would have angry parents taking out warrants because they're kid was fouled hard in a bb game.

BTW, I've never seen "a blade or a gun" on the field of a sporting event. I'll bet you haven't either. Stupid analogy.

 

[Calf]

So, the kid is going to whip everybody who he ever gets sick of? Good stuff.

No, apparently not because this is the first time it has ever happened. From what I know, he gets a ton of trash talk but this situation was different. The LC kid told him he was going to kick his *** after the game and the kid's dad was spouting the same thing in the stands. There were also some other threats by the father that people in the stands heard. I guess the Elkins kid should have waited until after the game to do it? I don't know what that would have changed. I guess he could have waited for the LC kid to jump him in the parking lot after the game. From what I can tell and what people who were at the game said, it wasn't a sucker punch. The LC kid was making his threats and saw Elkins coming at him at the time.

From what people who were actually at the game have said, the Elkins kid and his parents could have every right to go file terroristic threatening charges against the LC kid and the kid's dad but they didn't. I guess they don't figure they need to drag every thing into court.

What kills me about this situation is everybody sees the punch and hears one side of it and makes him out to be a horrible human being, when, according to everyone that knows him, he is an all around great kid.

 

[catsfanbgky]

No not everyone, just the ones who ran their mouth in high school begging for a fight, got their *** handed to them, then screamed "he hit me." I do not agree with doing it on the field (but is that really relevant ? Is it ok to do the same after the game in the parking lot ?), people are right about that, but if the boy just kept coming and coming eventually it boils over. If he indeed hit him while he was out, he should be expelled for the year, I will say that. I mean, like I said, not condoning it on field and definitely not the severity, when the kid was down, no need to keep hitting. It sounds as though it was going to happen somewhere, so I guess the kid reached his boiling point.

 

[catsfanbgky]

I don't know the whole story, so I won't comment on this particular situation. However, I don't like the law getting involved with on field altercations between opposing players in sports. This situation may have warranted it if the schools wasn't doing anything to rectify it.

What I meant was, just a little push, shove, hell even a punch, no. BUT, If it really got out of hand and the kid was beaten while out with obvious intent to do serious harm, suffers brain damage, or any severe injury for that matter, because it happened on a ball diamond is irrelevant. You say "never seen blades and guns at a sporting event", that was for shock factor, kind of like your "pretty soon you will have parents wanting to get law involved over a foul." I have never seen a parent call the police because little Johnnie got fouled, and I would bet neither have you. See how that works ?

 

[KingOfBBN]

Kid deserves to be suspended the rest of the season and possibly get kicked out of school. In what other situation is that acceptable? ZERO! I understand tensions running high but this was one sided and with complete intent of harming someone. If this punk can't handle the words of a 16 year old in a baseball game then how is he going to be able to handle anything else in life? BTW, loved the coach's words "He's a really good kid." Yeah, coach, he just assaulted someone. He's obviously a great kid.

However, I am not surprised by the rednecks in Lawrence County. What I'd like to know is how did the parents handle the situation afterward? I'm sure there were quite a few rednecks. I'd like to see the reactions here if the kid who got attacked was your kid and see how quickly the tune would change especially from that guy who is obviously Elkins or his dad posting on here.

 

[CardFan1130]

Awful parents and their awful kids are ruining amateur sports

 

[KingOfBBN]

Awful parents and their awful kids are ruining amateur sports

Yep. It is embarrassing too. They had these parents when I was a kid but there was not as many. In Little League, there were two teams that would always have the cops come and one game my brother umpired (18 at the time) while a Little League coach threatened to murder him.

Between these morons and the ones who think no one should keep score and everyone deserves a trophy, youth sports are becoming terrible.

 

[Calf]

I'd like to see the reactions here if the kid who got attacked was your kid and see how quickly the tune would change especially from that guy who is obviously Elkins or his dad posting on here.

My kid wouldn't be in that situation because he wouldn't be threatening another player and if he was he would deserve to get his nose mashed. And no, Elkins is not my kid. I couldn't afford the 140 mile one way commute from London every day.

 

[KingOfBBN]

My kid wouldn't be in that situation because he wouldn't be threatening another player and if he was he would deserve to get his nose mashed. And no, Elkins is not my kid. I couldn't afford the 140 mile one way commute from London every day.

You seem to have quite the insight into this situation. How's that?

 

[catsfanbgky]

Definitely kin folk.

 

[catsfanbgky]

Older brother maybe ???? There is a connection, too obvious.

 

[anon_q409idbs5m40a]

In no way do I condone such behavior, but I can see why someone in HS would boil over like that. I came real close to getting into a similar altercation with Bill Mike Runyon in 1973 during a baseball game at Paintsville. There's a lot of trash talking that people in the stands don't see and when you have a bunch of young men anything can come out of that situation. It's unfortunate that Elkins couldn't control his emotions and I hope that he's learned a hard lesson from this.

 

[TruBluCatFan]

I love all the self righteousness in this thread. Yeah the kid made a mistake, a fairly big one too. But some of you are ready to brand him a thug for life over one incident.

Kid screwed up. KHSAA came down hard on him. Seems appropriate punishment to me.

Kid will, at worst, get a diversion on assault 4th. My guess is parents of LC kid end up letting it be dismissed.

 

[Lord_Crow]

I seriously fear what I would do if somebody hurt my kid.

 

[catsfanbgky]

So if your kid is 17 (underage), talks ish to a kid his age, begs the kid to fight over not just the game, but several times before, and then threatens the same kid that he is going to kick his ***, then your kid gets his *** handed to him, you would do something to the other kid ??? If so I would fear what that boys dad would do to you, because you would need It if little Johnny spent a couple months begging to fight, then got his *** knocked out Kirkland style (if you do not know, just Google it from this weekend). Now once again, I did not condone the keep kitting, but parents need to teach their kids one of two things (maybe both actually just in case of guys like the one who got ko'd): 1. How to fight, or 2. Don't have a smart *** mouth that you can not back up. Kids fight, always have, always will. If you are not confident you can beat someone's ***, do not beg said guy again and again to fight you, even after the guy tried to walk away from previous challenges.

 

[jwheat]

Sounds like to me the kid knew his *** was getting handed to him in the parking lot so he took the cowardly way out and sucker punched him on the baseball field where the fight wouldnt last more than a couple punches.