FIRE Bob Stoops...
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Don't you really mean Mike Stoops!! And it's not funny. OU was 2nd in rushing defense in the Big 12, and then a team decided to run the ball. I think OSU was watching. If Mike can figure out how to stop (slow down) the Cowboys offense that will almost guarantee another Sooner conference title for Bob. The Sooners' offense it hitting on all cylinders right now.
How many guys have to go down with injury or quitting, before you admit that it's about players and not the coaching? My guess is you'll never admit it, but blaming Mike doesn't accomplish anything, unless you include running off committed help for next year, by making them believe they'd be better off elsewhere. You're the best medicine opposing recruiters could hope for.
Back for more? We had this discussion after ULM, didn't we? Why weren't you here after the Tortilla Throwers went for...
854 yards and 59 points?
And we were missing a starting inside linebacker, a corner, four DL's and thin at OLB.
Again, players make plays, or they don't. I think if you asked the defensive players that night, they'd say that they didn't prepare very well or play very well. But around here, it's ALWAYS viewed as a coach problem. OUr assistants have lots of respect in the coaching profession, but seldom around here.
Bob Stoops is as respected as any man in college coaching. But around here, his head gets called for after almost every loss, and even a few wins. The Peanut Gallery always seems to claim more understanding of what's going on in OUr program than Bob does. It's counterproductive foolishness.
Again, players make plays, or they don't. I think if you asked the defensive players that night, they'd say that they didn't prepare very well or play very well. But around here, it's ALWAYS viewed as a coach problem. OUr assistants have lots of respect in the coaching profession, but seldom around here.
Bob Stoops is as respected as any man in college coaching. But around here, his head gets called for after almost every loss, and even a few wins. The Peanut Gallery always seems to claim more understanding of what's going on in OUr program than Bob does. It's counterproductive foolishness.
And AGAIN, coaches put players in position to make plays, or they don't. When the players on the field can't execute your grand scheme, and look confused repeatedly, what do you do?
Who prepared the players who would say that? Who's job is it? Is it Mike's job, or not?
Isn't that what you do? Claim that you know better than everyone else and their opinions?
We've played better defense since the embarrassing game in Lubbock. Do you think Mike got smarter, or maybe the players started putting in a little more effort.
I also think one other factor is that the Tech defense was so bad, that OUr offense was scoring too quickly. So we lot left on the field a lot.
And there is one other issue that seems to me, to becoming apparent over the course of the conference schedule. We are getting the best shot of every team we play. But after they play us, the game affects them. When ISU played well against us, they got a little confidence, even in the loss. They've won their last two since.
KU got smoked in Norman, but their defense played well for a while, until they got worn out. They got smoked because of horrible quarterback play. But they decided to start playing the young guy, and they've been better since, especially yesterday. They're not as good as Texas, but at home, they won.
On the other hand, Tech shot their wad, lost, and have gone downhill since. And their defense is dreadful.
I think we have some young guys who are learning along the way, and until Jordan got hurt last night, we played decent defense. After he left, and was replaced by a walk on, the defense started looking worse than it did in the second half in Lubbock. And the offense kind of quit playing for most of the third and into the fourth. And that makes a difference too.
I don't love the defensive structure. But Bob Stoops has earned the right to run this program, and while he's not perfect, he absolutely knows what he's doing. And he cares about OUr defense a whole lot more than you or I do. His face value on injuries is barely worth the change in my pocket. But his face value on OUr defensive coaches and whom he hires to run it, are based on great integrity. And it's still about players making plays or not.
We have the best class in a while coming in. Don't help our adversaries screw it up.
I also think one other factor is that the Tech defense was so bad, that OUr offense was scoring too quickly. So we lot left on the field a lot.
And there is one other issue that seems to me, to becoming apparent over the course of the conference schedule. We are getting the best shot of every team we play. But after they play us, the game affects them. When ISU played well against us, they got a little confidence, even in the loss. They've won their last two since.
KU got smoked in Norman, but their defense played well for a while, until they got worn out. They got smoked because of horrible quarterback play. But they decided to start playing the young guy, and they've been better since, especially yesterday. They're not as good as Texas, but at home, they won.
On the other hand, Tech shot their wad, lost, and have gone downhill since. And their defense is dreadful.
I think we have some young guys who are learning along the way, and until Jordan got hurt last night, we played decent defense. After he left, and was replaced by a walk on, the defense started looking worse than it did in the second half in Lubbock. And the offense kind of quit playing for most of the third and into the fourth. And that makes a difference too.
I don't love the defensive structure. But Bob Stoops has earned the right to run this program, and while he's not perfect, he absolutely knows what he's doing. And he cares about OUr defense a whole lot more than you or I do. His face value on injuries is barely worth the change in my pocket. But his face value on OUr defensive coaches and whom he hires to run it, are based on great integrity. And it's still about players making plays or not.
We have the best class in a while coming in. Don't help our adversaries screw it up.
I haven't missed you, Plaino. I quit responding to your crap awhile back, and you should consider quit responding to my crap. Neither of us is going to change the other's opinions. If it makes you feel better, it's okay with me for you to publicly blame me for every de-commitment. I'm sure you can convince at least a half dozen board members I'm the cause for losing a key recruit or three each year. And while you're at it, you should take credit for all those Bob signs. It's only fair. You're a good fan. I sincerely mean it. Boomer Sooner!
Oklabama...Out!! (Microphone drops)
I am not the biggest Mike Stoops fan but the bottom line is this coaching staff has done whatever has been needed to make us 9-2, 8-0 in the Big 12 conference...
When Barry was here, if we lost to Texas (from the SWC), it was all about winning the Big 8...
We need to take great joy in winning a wild conference where almost every away game could be a loss...
When Barry was here, if we lost to Texas (from the SWC), it was all about winning the Big 8...
We need to take great joy in winning a wild conference where almost every away game could be a loss...
There are always fans who simply don't think past the end of their noses. You have to be deaf, dumb and blind to not recognize that having your whole damn DL lost for most of the season has a huge impact upon your defense. And, Romar was hurt again last night. So, at the moment we are down four of our top 5 or 6 DL.
We finished the 2nd half of last nights game without two of the original staring LBers and a third was lost for a few downs. Two former CBs who started a few games haven't played for weeks.
There are just some fans who simply who don't attempt to or have any skills to figure stuff out like what happened much less find any solution...they go from giddy to 'fire the coach' in a week. They don't understand the game, but act like they know something.
Don't get upset if your standard thought fits the above as there are plenty like you that they do so you aren't all by your lonesome. Plano, is quite correct in that it is hard to make up for the kind of injuries the OU defense has had to deal with this year.
But, don't allow the facts to get in your way.
Well, as a matter of fact he does know better than the lions share of folks who only see firing a great coach as a something good.
This board is down to only a handful of people left who have any grasp at all of this game and I sure don't count you as one of them.
You make a good point, Roy. At this point, Mike hasn't much to work with and it probably will that way when we play OSU. The reason Bob is at 9-2 is because the offense has played well enough to overcome the poor defensive play. BTW, how many defensive players were unavailable for the Houston game? The Ohio State game? Basically, Houston came ready to play and OU didn't. You can debate all day on who's to blame for that. One final question and I'll get off my soap box. Do you truly believe Bob Stoops wouldn't replace his DC after the last couple of years defensive play if he wasn't his brother? And if it's truly all about the players making plays, why has Bob made coaching changes in the past? Oops, that was two questions. Again, not arguing about anything you posted.
Not only the defense injuries. Westbrook wasn't 100% the first three games. Probably wouldn't have mattered at the time. The O-line wasn't good then. They have have jelled nicely. This team has done great. Style points who cares about that. The commentators have pointed out the teams improvement in spite of the injuries. I guess if complaining is your thing it's all good. I notice some posters they came in here nice. The culture of message boards is kind of toxic I believe. Senior Sooner I salute you. She's rare though.
Once again....we have to endure the fantasy that somehow what a handful of posters on this "flyspeck on the map" sized message board says about OU, somehow is the reason recruits commit and/or decommit from OU. It's utterly amazing that anyone would actually believe something like that.
Next thing we will be told that OU has the best staff in the country......
Next thing we will be told that OU has the best staff in the country......
Once again....we have to endure the fantasy that somehow what a handful of posters on this "flyspeck on the map" sized message board says about OU, somehow is the reason recruits commit and/or decommit from OU. It's utterly amazing that anyone would actually believe something like that.
Next thing we will be told that OU has the best staff in the country......
Billy, it's true. It really affects recruiting when posters blame the coaching staff. But doesn't bother them whatsoever when posters place all the blame on PLAYERS NOT MAKING THE DAMN PLAYS. I know. It doesn't make sense but it's true!
And the commentators talking about how confused the players look and how four different CB's can't cover despite all being healthy at the time and bragged about by Bob before the season...
The fact that this team doesn't tackle well, and hasn't for years isn't an issue either...
Then there is the faction of posters who noted the offensive problems that were ridiculed by those here who continue to say that we are clueless, yet Bob fired those offensive coaches for the idea of bringing back the "Air Raid" that his OC had ran as a QB here. Did Bob decide that Huepel wasn't good enough to install an offense he ran as a QB? Or did he hear from recruits that the message board gurus thought Huepel sucked as an OC and they were going elsewhere if he remained?
The fact that this team doesn't tackle well, and hasn't for years isn't an issue either...
Then there is the faction of posters who noted the offensive problems that were ridiculed by those here who continue to say that we are clueless, yet Bob fired those offensive coaches for the idea of bringing back the "Air Raid" that his OC had ran as a QB here. Did Bob decide that Huepel wasn't good enough to install an offense he ran as a QB? Or did he hear from recruits that the message board gurus thought Huepel sucked as an OC and they were going elsewhere if he remained?
Have you ever heard the old saying,"defense wins championships". Bob needs to do the right thing and sack his Brother. I believe I read earlier that Mike got a raise to one million dollars this year. Please tell me a person who can't Coach his side of the ball any better than he has, that's worth that kind of compensation. I do not enjoy watching MY SOONERS play one sided football, even if they have one of the best offenses in the country and even wins the Conference.
https://oklahoma.forums.rivals.com/...-the-top-10-thanks-to-jay-norvell.1574/page-4
After Bob made changes, there were those who thought Mike might be gone after NSD... In 2015... He is still here, some have changed their minds, some haven't. I know this, all you trolls saying we're clueless must have went to your safe spaces after Heupel got the axe, because you "understood" the game better.
Not a chirp from the cricket farm after that, yet 22 months later, you still want to explain how clueless we all are. Who poured water in the cracks you live in? What made some of you come back to explain it to us? Why are some still gone? Please continue to explain it to me and others. Give your excuses for why an OU defense is not as good as Iowa State's.
I'm not buying the b.s. you're selling...
After Bob made changes, there were those who thought Mike might be gone after NSD... In 2015... He is still here, some have changed their minds, some haven't. I know this, all you trolls saying we're clueless must have went to your safe spaces after Heupel got the axe, because you "understood" the game better.
Not a chirp from the cricket farm after that, yet 22 months later, you still want to explain how clueless we all are. Who poured water in the cracks you live in? What made some of you come back to explain it to us? Why are some still gone? Please continue to explain it to me and others. Give your excuses for why an OU defense is not as good as Iowa State's.
I'm not buying the b.s. you're selling...
I agree about defense being the key ingredient for winning national championships.
But can you shake up a staff that wins the CC? Should you make a change to a staff that gets you to the CFP two years in a row? That doesn't seem very smart from a common sense standpoint.
Then you factor in all the injuries...
The defense made plenty of big plays last night, and we won by 21.
But then you look the WVU kid going off for 300 hundred yards against us... and the TT debacle... and you have to ask yourself, would we really have any chance against an AL, or in a rematch with the OSU? And isn't the natty the whole point? 16 years and counting since our last one...
sigh... I say let Mike get this next group of kids into the system, and see what he can do with them. We'll probably recruit pretty well next year also, so we should plenty of talent waiting to be coached up.
The defense stops getting blank checks next year though Plaino. Enough is enough.
Yep. Reminds me of the 2014 season when guys like you ridiculed those of us who saw the obvious issues with the offense. We were clueless and didn't "understand the game" while those who act like they know something, but really don't, told us the offense wasn't the problem. What happened? Who got fired? Why did they get fired?
Did Bob do it to appease a few of us on this here board?
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Many left because no one else was buying the BS either...
that and Josh threaten to ban them or did ban them.
Yes, and there are those who stop by once every six months or so...
Yep, and complain, nag, and fuss about board posters but not OU football. But at least it's just a visit.
What about some of our defensive players and backups who have regressed from last year? We seem incapable of depth development on defense. The studs were recruited. Did they not get enough meaningful PT in the past?
Why did Quick have to be switched late in his career to a DB and pretty much instantly start? He was so good that he immediately was a better solution to more experienced talent?
What has happened to our pass rush ALL YEAR LONG? All hands were at least on deck in the first part of our schedule.
Why are we ranked soooooo low on the Div I defense stat chart?
ALL teams experience significant injuries throughout the year. Why are our backups soooooo poorly developed causing the offense to go all basketball score on our opponents just to scrape by?
As has been mentioned previously, why has a Mike Stoops defense continue to regress on their positioning and ability to tackle? We appear to be developing panty waist defenders under his tutelage. Our defenders laugh off their poor play knowing the offense will bail them out.
The sustained culture with this defensive mindset is alarming to me. A cancer?
Injuries produce depth issues, not poor fundamental issues.
Should we make Riley both OC and DC so he can better inform our defense on what the other guy is bringing on offense? Mike should at least do the decent thing by giving half his paycheck to Riley.
Is it time for Mike to get glasses? Should he put down the beer and popcorn when studying game film of our opponents AND the performance of his own defense?
Our defense couldn't be any worse if we blitzed every down. The other QB has all the time in the world to play pitch and catch with his receivers. Mahomes anyone?
If not for the weather related turnovers by WVU, it would no doubt have been Taco Tech Part II.
2 defensive stops/game has become our new hopeful norm and a major blessing, if achieved. Taco Tech had the game of their history and season against us.
Oops! I guess I just destroyed our recruiting. Doesn't matter that the television commentators every week blast our defensive performance. It's really the Scoopers that do the recruiting damage, right?
Boomer Sooner
Why did Quick have to be switched late in his career to a DB and pretty much instantly start? He was so good that he immediately was a better solution to more experienced talent?
What has happened to our pass rush ALL YEAR LONG? All hands were at least on deck in the first part of our schedule.
Why are we ranked soooooo low on the Div I defense stat chart?
ALL teams experience significant injuries throughout the year. Why are our backups soooooo poorly developed causing the offense to go all basketball score on our opponents just to scrape by?
As has been mentioned previously, why has a Mike Stoops defense continue to regress on their positioning and ability to tackle? We appear to be developing panty waist defenders under his tutelage. Our defenders laugh off their poor play knowing the offense will bail them out.
The sustained culture with this defensive mindset is alarming to me. A cancer?
Injuries produce depth issues, not poor fundamental issues.
Should we make Riley both OC and DC so he can better inform our defense on what the other guy is bringing on offense? Mike should at least do the decent thing by giving half his paycheck to Riley.
Is it time for Mike to get glasses? Should he put down the beer and popcorn when studying game film of our opponents AND the performance of his own defense?
Our defense couldn't be any worse if we blitzed every down. The other QB has all the time in the world to play pitch and catch with his receivers. Mahomes anyone?
If not for the weather related turnovers by WVU, it would no doubt have been Taco Tech Part II.
2 defensive stops/game has become our new hopeful norm and a major blessing, if achieved. Taco Tech had the game of their history and season against us.
Oops! I guess I just destroyed our recruiting. Doesn't matter that the television commentators every week blast our defensive performance. It's really the Scoopers that do the recruiting damage, right?
Boomer Sooner
Doing great in Misery... Top 12 offense, until it comes to scoring, where they drop to #51... I think he might be in a league where he doesn't see those type defenses...
I've defended Mike since his return. I can't any longer. We have a chance to win the conference because of Lincoln Riley and the nation's most dangerous offense. Period.
Injuries have played a pivotal role this season but make no mistake, we are bad on defense for more than just injuries.
There are no more excuses for these mind bogglingly soft coverages and almost no defensive aggression in play calling. No halftime adjustments. Continuous confusion 11 games into the season. Wasted timeouts. And worst of all, regularly taking no accountability.
At any other Power 5 program, Mike is out after the Tech embarrassment.
For the 18 thousandth time, Mike needs to abandon this 3-4. He clearly cannot orchestrate it.
Injuries have played a pivotal role this season but make no mistake, we are bad on defense for more than just injuries.
There are no more excuses for these mind bogglingly soft coverages and almost no defensive aggression in play calling. No halftime adjustments. Continuous confusion 11 games into the season. Wasted timeouts. And worst of all, regularly taking no accountability.
At any other Power 5 program, Mike is out after the Tech embarrassment.
For the 18 thousandth time, Mike needs to abandon this 3-4. He clearly cannot orchestrate it.
Because of its defense.....whether it involves injuries/suspensions, poor tackling, poor alignments, playing in an arena football style conference, lack of depth or poor coaching....this year's OU team will be remembered as a very one-dimensional team. It's a team that has to win by its offense alone.
My belief is that OU's defensive problems are all wrapped up in a "perfect storm" scenario. So much has gone wrong as I mentioned above and its impact has been felt in so many ways, all at the same time.
Mike Stoops isn't going anywhere, at least for another year or two. So it's my hope that the young players can turn into solid forces and that Mike Stoops and his defensive assistants can learn from this season.
High school players listen to what coaches and college players tell them about a program. The information received from these two sources are much more meaningful and valid than what message board jockeys like us have to say.
If a player is swayed by what is said on a message board, that's a player who's got too much time on his hand and he's a player I don't want to play at OU.
My belief is that OU's defensive problems are all wrapped up in a "perfect storm" scenario. So much has gone wrong as I mentioned above and its impact has been felt in so many ways, all at the same time.
Mike Stoops isn't going anywhere, at least for another year or two. So it's my hope that the young players can turn into solid forces and that Mike Stoops and his defensive assistants can learn from this season.
High school players listen to what coaches and college players tell them about a program. The information received from these two sources are much more meaningful and valid than what message board jockeys like us have to say.
If a player is swayed by what is said on a message board, that's a player who's got too much time on his hand and he's a player I don't want to play at OU.
And this is the reason I feel OU will never win another national championship under Bob Stoops. Bob is a great coach and I want him to stay at OU. We could not find a better coach. But he has one flaw that he refuses to address. Most fans know what that is. It would be nuts to throw the baby out with the bath water and Joe C. understands that. So unless Mike Stoops cracks up one day up stairs on national TV, us fans will just have to settle for Big 12 Championships, which is kind of a bitter sweet position for the fan base because it isn't very likely OU can win the Big Game with the types of defenses the Sooners have had recently under Mike. The good news is that it can only improve. Maybe next year.