Fire Collins to Get Baldwin Jr.

[7th Cir. Cat]

I know this would never happen because Northwestern is lame and is committed to doing "the right thing." Whatever. But as a thought experiment, do you think it would be crazy for us to can Collins so that we have a chance at a program changing recruit?

Everyone agrees that we are going to be bad next year (some people think we will not be truly terrible, but no one thinks we are finishing in the top 7 of the conference, i.e, in the conversation for the post-season). So let's assume that we have yet another year of finishing in 10th place. That means that 5 of the last 6 years we are 10 or lower in conference.

If we knew that PBJ REALLY wanted to play for his dad, would it be crazy to get rid of Collins so that we land a lottery pick for a year or two? I don't think that we would face sanctions because (1) PBJ's dad is a Northwestern grad and is currently a D1 head coach so it's not bonkers to hire him and (2) Collins (with the exception of the historic year) has not produced results. Throw in the transfers and open scholarships filled with lacrosse players and he would have been either out or on thin ice with most P5 programs.

I'm not sure if Patrick Baldwin Sr. is a great X and O coach, but he and his wife are NU grads and so much of the college game is recruiting. If hiring him means getting NBA talent (assuming some players follow PBJ ) then how crazy would it be to go for it?

This is what happens in the summer on the basketball message board, indulge me. What are your thoughts?

 

[GOUNUII]

I know this would never happen because Northwestern is lame and is committed to doing "the right thing." Whatever. But as a thought experiment, do you think it would be crazy for us to can Collins so that we have a chance at a program changing recruit?

Everyone agrees that we are going to be bad next year (some people think we will not be truly terrible, but no one thinks we are finishing in the top 7 of the conference, i.e, in the conversation for the post-season). So let's assume that we have yet another year of finishing in 10th place. That means that 5 of the last 6 years we are 10 or lower in conference.

If we knew that PBJ REALLY wanted to play for his dad, would it be crazy to get rid of Collins so that we land a lottery pick for a year or two? I don't think that we would face sanctions because (1) PBJ's dad is a Northwestern grad and is currently a D1 head coach so it's not bonkers to hire him and (2) Collins (with the exception of the historic year) has not produced results. Throw in the transfers and open scholarships filled with lacrosse players and he would have been either out or on thin ice with most P5 programs.

I'm not sure if Patrick Baldwin Sr. is a great X and O coach, but he and his wife are NU grads and so much of the college game is recruiting. If hiring him means getting NBA talent (assuming some players follow PBJ ) then how crazy would it be to go for it?

This is what happens in the summer on the basketball message board, indulge me. What are your thoughts?

This is nuts. Nobody in the equation would either sell or buy hiring Sr. on the assurance Jr. follows. Too much integrity and well earned pride. It's a total non starter. Lots of other reasons to just say No. But the first one is more than enough to kill a very bad idea.

GOUNUII

 

[7th Cir. Cat]

This is nuts. Nobody in the equation would either sell or buy hiring Sr. on the assurance Jr. follows. Too much integrity and well earned pride. It's a total non starter. Lots of other reasons to just say No. But the first one is more than enough to kill a very bad idea.

GOUNUII

"Well earned pride" What does that mean if every year but one we are 10th or lower in the conference? And historically we are literally the worst P5 program in D1 history! Patrick Baldwin played hoops for Northwestern and is a D1 coach, he's not some dude off the street. Also, his wife was an NU athlete. Just like Collins is taking a risk with a lacrosse player, maybe we shake it up a little. What do we have to lose?

 

[Jeffrey Cat]

I know this would never happen because Northwestern is lame and is committed to doing "the right thing." Whatever. But as a thought experiment, do you think it would be crazy for us to can Collins so that we have a chance at a program changing recruit?

Everyone agrees that we are going to be bad next year (some people think we will not be truly terrible, but no one thinks we are finishing in the top 7 of the conference, i.e, in the conversation for the post-season). So let's assume that we have yet another year of finishing in 10th place. That means that 5 of the last 6 years we are 10 or lower in conference.

If we knew that PBJ REALLY wanted to play for his dad, would it be crazy to get rid of Collins so that we land a lottery pick for a year or two? I don't think that we would face sanctions because (1) PBJ's dad is a Northwestern grad and is currently a D1 head coach so it's not bonkers to hire him and (2) Collins (with the exception of the historic year) has not produced results. Throw in the transfers and open scholarships filled with lacrosse players and he would have been either out or on thin ice with most P5 programs.

I'm not sure if Patrick Baldwin Sr. is a great X and O coach, but he and his wife are NU grads and so much of the college game is recruiting. If hiring him means getting NBA talent (assuming some players follow PBJ ) then how crazy would it be to go for it?

This is what happens in the summer on the basketball message board, indulge me. What are your thoughts?

There is a better chance Milwaukee fires him and he ends up back at NU in some capacity. You’ve been drinking to much seventh circuit justice juice.

 

[7th Cir. Cat]

There is a better chance Milwaukee fires him and he ends up back at NU in some capacity. You’ve been drinking to much seventh circuit justice juice.

Sigh . . . that is not completely unfounded.

 

[willycat]

"Well earned pride" What does that mean if every year but one we are 10th or lower in the conference? And historically we are literally the worst P5 program in D1 history! Patrick Baldwin played hoops for Northwestern and is a D1 coach, he's not some dude off the street. Also, his wife was an NU athlete. Just like Collins is taking a risk with a lacrosse player, maybe we shake it up a little. What do we have to lose?

I am still a supporter of Collins but questions are creeping around some corners. Obviously it would be better if Baldwin Sr. would come back to NU as an assistants, maybe make him associate HC but your idea does have its merits. If NU continues to finish near the bottom of the conference and doesn't get highly ranked recruits, making it necessary to take chances on Lacrosse athletes to fill out the roster, then a change may be needed. But they would need to be sure that PBJ would follow his dad back to NU. It's definitely something to think about.

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

I know this would never happen because Northwestern is lame and is committed to doing "the right thing." Whatever. But as a thought experiment, do you think it would be crazy for us to can Collins so that we have a chance at a program changing recruit?

Everyone agrees that we are going to be bad next year (some people think we will not be truly terrible, but no one thinks we are finishing in the top 7 of the conference, i.e, in the conversation for the post-season). So let's assume that we have yet another year of finishing in 10th place. That means that 5 of the last 6 years we are 10 or lower in conference.

If we knew that PBJ REALLY wanted to play for his dad, would it be crazy to get rid of Collins so that we land a lottery pick for a year or two? I don't think that we would face sanctions because (1) PBJ's dad is a Northwestern grad and is currently a D1 head coach so it's not bonkers to hire him and (2) Collins (with the exception of the historic year) has not produced results. Throw in the transfers and open scholarships filled with lacrosse players and he would have been either out or on thin ice with most P5 programs.

I'm not sure if Patrick Baldwin Sr. is a great X and O coach, but he and his wife are NU grads and so much of the college game is recruiting. If hiring him means getting NBA talent (assuming some players follow PBJ ) then how crazy would it be to go for it?

This is what happens in the summer on the basketball message board, indulge me. What are your thoughts?

This is nuts.

 

[willycat]

This is nuts.

While I'm certainly not championing firing Collins, the thought of bringing Baldwin back and bring his son along is intriguing.

 

[GOUNUII]

"Well earned pride" What does that mean if every year but one we are 10th or lower in the conference? And historically we are literally the worst P5 program in D1 history! Patrick Baldwin played hoops for Northwestern and is a D1 coach, he's not some dude off the street. Also, his wife was an NU athlete. Just like Collins is taking a risk with a lacrosse player, maybe we shake it up a little. What do we have to lose?

I was referring to Coach Baldwin’s pride.

GOUNUII

 

[Medill90]

This is nuts.

Eh. It's a fun, summer topic.

 

[Hungry Jack]

This is a deal with the devil. Sell out your coach who has accomplished more for the program than any other for one player who might last two years. If we ever stoop to this level of stupidity I will burn my diploma.

 

[NUCat320]

I like all instances where guys get jobs to entice recruits.

That kid that NU was recruiting that wound up at St Louis.
Danny Manning’s dad (right)?
Sergio McClain’s dad at U of I.
(I thought there was a Michael Beasley-Frank Martin AAUconnection, but I might be wrong there. Beasley went to K-State, in Martin’s first year.)

It would be an absurd and terrible decision, but it would be entertaining. (PBJ is a one-and-done, unless they change the rules, right?) I sincerely hope he plays for his dad.

(RJ Hunter and Ron Hunter’s Ga State NCAA tournament highlight of a few years ago is one of the best.)

 

[7th Cir. Cat]

This is a deal with the devil. Sell out your coach who has accomplished more for the program than any other for one player who might last two years. If we ever stoop to this level of stupidity I will burn my diploma.

How long do you give Collins? Yes, he had one (historic) year. And I will be forever grateful. But at what point is that one year considered an outlier? Year 10? Honestly, if people want to give him 10 years because he did what no other coach has ever done, I'm fine with that, but we should not kid ourselves about the state of the program. And I also believe that getting a sure-fire NBA lottery pick would do as much or more to improve the perception of the program.

But why is hiring an NU grad who is a current D1 coach that crazy? If Collins flames out in a few years and we want to hire Tavares Hardy, I would be perfectly fine with that and would certainly not be burning my NU diplomas.

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

How long do you give Collins? Yes, he had one (historic) year. And I will be forever grateful. But at what point is that one year considered an outlier? Year 10? Honestly, if people want to give him 10 years because he did what no other coach has ever done, I'm fine with that, but we should not kid ourselves about the state of the program. And I also believe that getting a sure-fire NBA lottery pick would do as much or more to improve the perception of the program.

But why is hiring an NU grad who is a current D1 coach that crazy? If Collins flames out in a few years and we want to hire Tavares Hardy, I would be perfectly fine with that and would certainly not be burning my NU diplomas.

Really? I understand you are not the biggest CCC booster around. If you want him fired because the team sucks and gets worse fine, but hiring PBJ as Head Coach? I don’t have a diploma to burn, but do have tickets to NU sports to trash and I would. Hiring Assistant Coaches that bring in talent is one thing, Head Coaches is another. After PBJ plays his 1-2 years here, we regress (a lot) and Senior is shown the door. What Coach do you think NU will entice to come lead this powerhouse of a program that suddenly was so full of it’s self that they canned the one coach that took them to the tourney. NU has the worst history in the conference. Let’s not act like it is some desirable basketball destination for head coaches. Fortunately, Dr JP doesn’t operate this way. This isn’t the NBA, you want continuity to build a historically poor performing program. That’s why BC lasted as long as he did. This isn’t North Carolina or Kentucky.

 

[torque-cat]

I know this would never happen because Northwestern is lame and is committed to doing "the right thing." Whatever. But as a thought experiment, do you think it would be crazy for us to can Collins so that we have a chance at a program changing recruit?

Everyone agrees that we are going to be bad next year (some people think we will not be truly terrible, but no one thinks we are finishing in the top 7 of the conference, i.e, in the conversation for the post-season). So let's assume that we have yet another year of finishing in 10th place. That means that 5 of the last 6 years we are 10 or lower in conference.

If we knew that PBJ REALLY wanted to play for his dad, would it be crazy to get rid of Collins so that we land a lottery pick for a year or two? I don't think that we would face sanctions because (1) PBJ's dad is a Northwestern grad and is currently a D1 head coach so it's not bonkers to hire him and (2) Collins (with the exception of the historic year) has not produced results. Throw in the transfers and open scholarships filled with lacrosse players and he would have been either out or on thin ice with most P5 programs.

I'm not sure if Patrick Baldwin Sr. is a great X and O coach, but he and his wife are NU grads and so much of the college game is recruiting. If hiring him means getting NBA talent (assuming some players follow PBJ ) then how crazy would it be to go for it?

This is what happens in the summer on the basketball message board, indulge me. What are your thoughts?

1. Even if we believe he wants to play for his dad, we have no guarantees.
2. A single elite recruit doesn’t mean an NCAA bid or even future success. See Ben Simmons at LSU.
3. Even if we got a good year out of it, we’d be living with that stain on reputation indefinitely. “Can you believe NU was desperate enough to hire a recruits dad, just to get a commit.” Hard to imagine our “peer” academic schools like Stanford or Duke doing this.
4. This idea is horrible.

 

[7th Cir. Cat]

"What Coach do you think NU will entice to come lead this powerhouse of a program that suddenly was so full of it’s self that they canned the one coach that took them to the tourney."

"Full of it self"??? If we fired Collins after next year that would mean that he got seven years on the job. Currently, his Big 10 winning percentage sits at .364. It will likely only go down after next year. I don't think it's arrogant at all to thank him for the one incredible year but acknowledge that things have not progressed or worked out. Will there be elite or blue blood coaches who will take this job? Hell no! But I think that there will be some smart, competitive people who would be willing to take a head coaching job in the Big 10.

 

[7th Cir. Cat]

You think it's crazy to hire a former player and NU grad to help get elite talent (kinda is). But is that idea that much crazier than bringing on a lacrosse player who has never played D1 hoops?

In my opinion, we are all kinda grasping at straws.

 

[Hungry Jack]

How long do you give Collins? Yes, he had one (historic) year. And I will be forever grateful. But at what point is that one year considered an outlier? Year 10? Honestly, if people want to give him 10 years because he did what no other coach has ever done, I'm fine with that, but we should not kid ourselves about the state of the program. And I also believe that getting a sure-fire NBA lottery pick would do as much or more to improve the perception of the program.

But why is hiring an NU grad who is a current D1 coach that crazy? If Collins flames out in a few years and we want to hire Tavares Hardy, I would be perfectly fine with that and would certainly not be burning my NU diplomas.

Give Collins at least 3 years so the 2018 and 2019 classes can mature, and then see where we are. Collins is assembling talent. His last 8 HS commits are good prospects. Joe Bam is entering blue chip territory. Beran and Nance are unlike any prospect we’ve seen in memory. Kopp can play. If Lathon does not commit an incredibly stupid act, we might not be looking at 2019-20 as another rebuilding season.

The talent is building. Give Collins time to ripen it.

 

[DaCat]

You think it's crazy to hire a former player and NU grad to help get elite talent (kinda is). But is that idea that much crazier than bringing on a lacrosse player who has never played D1 hoops?

Yes. There is virtually no down side to having the lacrosse player on the team for one year. There is a whole lot more at stake if you fire Collins and replace him with Baldwin Sr. to try to get his son for probably one year. I loved Baldwin Sr. as a player and assistant coach, but the jury is still out on whether he is a very good head coach.

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

"What Coach do you think NU will entice to come lead this powerhouse of a program that suddenly was so full of it’s self that they canned the one coach that took them to the tourney."

"Full of it self"??? If we fired Collins after next year that would mean that he got seven years on the job. Currently, his Big 10 winning percentage sits at .364. It will likely only go down after next year. I don't think it's arrogant at all to thank him for the one incredible year but acknowledge that things have not progressed or worked out. Will there be elite or blue blood coaches who will take this job? Hell no! But I think that there will be some smart, competitive people who would be willing to take a head coaching job in the Big 10.

You are running two separate paths here. You want to fire CCC because of his 364 winning percentage then have at it. You will be back on here in a few years firing the next one for that same winning percentage.

You are asking If we fire him and hire PB and there imo would only be two reasons to hire PB, 1) if you think you will get PBJ and 2) he is a NU alum. As for 1), making a deal for short term gain is not a recipe for sustained success. As for 2), exactly what Head coaching success have NU basketball grads had? I don’t see any being courted by the elites. CCC is two years removed from being one of the hottest coaching names in the NCAA. Did he flirt with the bigger programs? Did he say anything other than NU is where he wanted to be? Kicking him to the curb now, yes that is “ full of itself”.

I get amazed when some NU alums forget just how bad this program has been. It has to be the toughest job in the B1G. Worst history, smallest fan support, worst practice facilities, apathetic student body, highest academic requirements in the conference. Try recruiting with that on your plate. What CCC has been able to do in recruiting has been the likes of nothing ever seen at NU. Look I will criticize CCC on plenty of things, especially his handling of young guys, but the guy Coaching your football team will have the field named after him when he retires and we heard the same tired criticism of his early years. No thanks to your smart, competitive guy “willing” to take the job. We got one of them now, so what does that give us except a guy that will feel the same frustration are current coach feels. Get an elite or blue blood coach if NU expects to be a top 10 team every year.

 

[hdhntr1]

You are running two separate paths here. You want to fire CCC because of his 364 winning percentage then have at it. You will be back on here in a few years firing the next one for that same winning percentage.

You are asking If we fire him and hire PB and there imo would only be two reasons to hire PB, 1) if you think you will get PBJ and 2) he is a NU alum. As for 1), making a deal for short term gain is not a recipe for sustained success. As for 2), exactly what Head coaching success have NU basketball grads had? I don’t see any being courted by the elites. CCC is two years removed from being one of the hottest coaching names in the NCAA. Did he flirt with the bigger programs? Did he say anything other than NU is where he wanted to be? Kicking him to the curb now, yes that is “ full of itself”.

I get amazed when some NU alums forget just how bad this program has been. It has to be the toughest job in the B1G. Worst history, smallest fan support, worst practice facilities, apathetic student body, highest academic requirements in the conference. Try recruiting with that on your plate. What CCC has been able to do in recruiting has been the likes of nothing ever seen at NU. Look I will criticize CCC on plenty of things, especially his handling of young guys, but the guy Coaching your football team will have the field named after him when he retires and we heard the same tired criticism of his early years. No thanks to your smart, competitive guy “willing” to take the job. We got one of them now, so what does that give us except a guy that will feel the same frustration are current coach feels. Get an elite or blue blood coach if NU expects to be a top 10 team every year.

There is potentially something else and that is that when Baldwin was here, team seemed more focused. You would have to be pretty sure that the loss of Baldwin was a big part of the loss of focus that has happened over the last couple years Would also have to be reasonably sure that pother recruiting would hold up.

I do not agree but those night be construed as reasons for following his plan

 

[mikewebb68]

I know this would never happen because Northwestern is lame and is committed to doing "the right thing." Whatever. But as a thought experiment, do you think it would be crazy for us to can Collins so that we have a chance at a program changing recruit?

Everyone agrees that we are going to be bad next year (some people think we will not be truly terrible, but no one thinks we are finishing in the top 7 of the conference, i.e, in the conversation for the post-season). So let's assume that we have yet another year of finishing in 10th place. That means that 5 of the last 6 years we are 10 or lower in conference.

If we knew that PBJ REALLY wanted to play for his dad, would it be crazy to get rid of Collins so that we land a lottery pick for a year or two? I don't think that we would face sanctions because (1) PBJ's dad is a Northwestern grad and is currently a D1 head coach so it's not bonkers to hire him and (2) Collins (with the exception of the historic year) has not produced results. Throw in the transfers and open scholarships filled with lacrosse players and he would have been either out or on thin ice with most P5 programs.

I'm not sure if Patrick Baldwin Sr. is a great X and O coach, but he and his wife are NU grads and so much of the college game is recruiting. If hiring him means getting NBA talent (assuming some players follow PBJ ) then how crazy would it be to go for it?

This is what happens in the summer on the basketball message board, indulge me. What are your thoughts?

My thoughts are:

 

[mikewebb68]

There is potentially something else and that is that when Baldwin was here, team seemed more focused. You would have to be pretty sure that the loss of Baldwin was a big part of the loss of focus that has happened over the last couple years Would also have to be reasonably sure that pother recruiting would hold up.

I do not agree but those night be construed as reasons for following his plan

Yeah, the guy who is 25-39 in the Horizon league was the key to our success.. that's the ticket.

 

[mikewebb68]

"What Coach do you think NU will entice to come lead this powerhouse of a program that suddenly was so full of it’s self that they canned the one coach that took them to the tourney."

"Full of it self"??? If we fired Collins after next year that would mean that he got seven years on the job. Currently, his Big 10 winning percentage sits at .364. It will likely only go down after next year. I don't think it's arrogant at all to thank him for the one incredible year but acknowledge that things have not progressed or worked out. Will there be elite or blue blood coaches who will take this job? Hell no! But I think that there will be some smart, competitive people who would be willing to take a head coaching job in the Big 10.

Wasn't going to respond to the OP because I thought it was fairly blatant trolling, but the above post gave so credence to the notion that you actually believe what you are posting, so here goes.

Carmody's BIG winning percentage was .318, so a significant jump there. In fact, you have to go back 50 years to find a coach with a better BIG winning percentage. CC has already shattered a number of coaching records in his short time here, but yeah, let's replace him with a coach that has a .333 conference winning percentage-- IN THE FREAKING HORIZON LEAGUE! All because that MIGHT mean that we get his son! LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!

You seriously have some sort of thought disorder you need to have checked out if you think any of the absolute nonsense you have posted in this thread should be taken remotely seriously....

CC is going absolutely nowhere unless he wants to. Get used to it.

And, before you post mindless drivel such as this in the future, would you say stuff like this to recruits, recruits parents, etc.? Because some of them do read this board...

 

[Sec_112]

I appreciate the creativity of the thought as a dog-days-of-July discussion. But as a real option ...?

If I'm Morty and the Good Doctor comes to me with this, a few things come to mind about dumping Collins for Baldwin Sr. and Jr.

1) One of the few strong assets of the NU job has been stability. Sure, the program may be mediocre, but the administration somewhat understands the challenges. They are willing to give coaches more of a chance than many programs.

You'd killed the value of that asset by forcing Collins out for a relatively unproven guy.

My concern wouldn't be so much hiring Baldwin. But watch what happens if Baldwin fails in 3-5 years when you try to hire the next guy. The coaching "fraternity" is a close group.

2) Can you name a program that has done "a 180" in the name of a prized recruit and had long-term success? The prized-recruit comes nowhere near getting you where you need to be.

When you bring up this scenario, my first thought is DePaul in transition from Joey to Pat Kennedy.

To get rid of Joey, DePaul suddenly became an elite academic institution that could no long accept just anybody. Howard Nathan had to sit, then was dumped after one year. Sam Cassell committed, but was never admitted.

Then, Pat Kennedy gets the gig and the entire public league gains admittance with no problem ... for one year (Quentin Richardson, Paul McPherson, Bobby Simmons, Steven Hunter, Lance Williams).

Kennedy was gone, by the end of his fifth year, and the rest is history.

If you said to me, all the rumors are that Baldwin Jr. is going to Duke. Let's back up the truck, sell out and offer Coach K $10-15M a year, I might buy that. You get Jr. and you have a short-term possibility of building long-term success.

But not for an uproven guy. And I still have hope for Baldwin. I always thought he was head coach material.

 

[7th Cir. Cat]

Wasn't going to respond to the OP because I thought it was fairly blatant trolling, but the above post gave so credence to the notion that you actually believe what you are posting, so here goes.

Carmody's BIG winning percentage was .318, so a significant jump there. In fact, you have to go back 50 years to find a coach with a better BIG winning percentage. CC has already shattered a number of coaching records in his short time here, but yeah, let's replace him with a coach that has a .333 conference winning percentage-- IN THE FREAKING HORIZON LEAGUE! All because that MIGHT mean that we get his son! LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!

You seriously have some sort of thought disorder you need to have checked out if you think any of the absolute nonsense you have posted in this thread should be taken remotely seriously....
...

It is categorically unfair to compare Carmody's Big 10 win percentage with Collins's. Carmody inherited arguably the worst D1 hoops program of all time. He had no facilities or new stadium with which to recruit. He did an incredible job turning it around and making us competitive. Collins inherited a team that had some 20 win seasons and NIT bids. Very, very different scenario. Collins got us over the big hump, he will always have a special place in NU history. But it's fair to ask questions about his long-term viability

 

[NJCat]

Beran and Nance are unlike any prospect we’ve seen in memory.

What did you see from Pete last season that makes him "unlike any prospect we have seen in memory"? Heck, BMac and Drewski had better FY seasons and were All B1G FY Team members. For that matter, so was Sobo......

I was the biggest Nance homer since he graduated from my old High School. But it seems his recruiting rating was based more on genetics than performance.......

 

[NURoseBowl]

You think it's crazy to hire a former player and NU grad to help get elite talent (kinda is). But is that idea that much crazier than bringing on a lacrosse player who has never played D1 hoops?

In my opinion, we are all kinda grasping at straws.

Your point is well taken, but in fairness, 7th Cir. Cat, this guy isn't being brought in to fill a particularly significant role. You'll likely find him at or near the end of the bench.

 

[ThatadultfromHolland]

What did you see from Pete last season that makes him "unlike any prospect we have seen in memory"? Heck, BMac and Drewski had better FY seasons and were All B1G FY Team members. For that matter, so was Sobo......

I was the biggest Nance homer since he graduated from my old High School. But it seems his recruiting rating was based more on genetics than performance.......

Potential. We have never had a recruit with nearly as high a ceiling as he has. Doesn't mean he will it just he has the potential to. His rating was off of his potential not instant impact. Kid could really be a baller.

 

[NJCat]

Potential. We have never had a recruit with nearly as high a ceiling as he has. Doesn't mean he will it just he has the potential to. His rating was off of his potential not instant impact. Kid could really be a baller.

I understand that his rating was based on "potential", but I think that had more to do with being the son of a great NBA player and brother of a current NBAer. He played in a low level high school league and didn't do much in AAU ball, so it wasn't like he had flashes of greatness to extrapolate to high potential.

 

[ThatadultfromHolland]

I understand that his rating was based on "potential", but I think that had more to do with being the son of a great NBA player and brother of a current NBAer. He played in a low level high school league and didn't do much in AAU ball, so it wasn't like he had flashes of greatness to extrapolate to high potential.

It was his size, fluidity, and skill that showed his potential in high school. He deserved a high rating and he was a sought after prospect. Bloodlines sure didn't hurt the hype or ratings, but a D1 coach knows better then to recruit based on that. The average fan maybe not so much.

The question his can he mentally and physically adjust to the game. He seemed a little timid at times last year but towards the end started flashing some really good play. He is very long, has very soft touch, decent handles, and decent shot. Needs to add muscle and develop a little more.

 

[Medill90]

What did you see from Pete last season that makes him "unlike any prospect we have seen in memory"? Heck, BMac and Drewski had better FY seasons and were All B1G FY Team members. For that matter, so was Sobo......

I was the biggest Nance homer since he graduated from my old High School. But it seems his recruiting rating was based more on genetics than performance.......

His length and agility....when he hovers around the rim on D his mere presence is a disruptor....and when he elevates he's well above the rim. With that said, he didn't have the strength his frosh year nor the knowledge/discipline to defend in the Big 10 the way he needs to. But this is an area where players make leaps and the ceiling on defense for any player is physical (lack of speed/quickness, lack of size/strength, etc.) and smarts. Nance will get much better on D each year and that will continue after he's left NU.

His offense will come along as well. It seems he and the coaches have confidence in his three point shot. He'll convert at a higher rate with more court time. The development I'd like to see (along with the D) is more offensive ability closer to the basket. I'm not talking about brutal dunks....I'm talking about a combination of moves close in....and some serious ability to shoot gimmes out to the free throw line extended. When he gets comfortable with a big man on him 7 - 12 feet from the rim, when he welcomes that as an opportunity -- combined with the more effective D -- this team is transformed. His converting closer in at a higher rate opens up that three for him, and opens up passing lanes to perimeter shooters.

I think it's completely doable because the kid is really smart and gifted physically. I think it gets better this year for Pete, and then his junior year is a watch out year.

 

[Mr Wickerpark]

Nu doesnt always do the right thing, its absurd to think otherwise.
No doubt Collins lost the confidence of his team, stemming from a linday/brown situation 2 years ago.
Since then, nobody wants to play for him, or at least doesnt want to use their 5th year here.
That said, he has shown that he is a great coach by taking a team with bland talent to the dance and almost sweet 16.
Collins is the man. We dont need Jr although he would be a program changer.
Collins went thru team division, much like what Fitz went thru with Colter his last year. The team slumps with internal conflict even though its the same players.
Walker had the same thing happen with the RW lawsuit. Team tanked but same players.
Collins is solid. My hunch is that baldwin comes here to honor his father.

 

[docrugby1]

This is a deal with the devil. Sell out your coach who has accomplished more for the program than any other for one player who might last two years. If we ever stoop to this level of stupidity I will burn my diploma.

I can send you matches or an old Colibri lighter !

 

[stpaulcat]

This is a deal with the devil. Sell out your coach who has accomplished more for the program than any other for one player who might last two years. If we ever stoop to this level of stupidity I will burn my diploma.

You should burn your diploma now, with the hope that your example gets others to follow, thus preventing such a ridiculous idea from ever getting traction.

 

[IGNORE]

This is a deal with the devil. Sell out your coach who has accomplished more for the program than any other for one player who might last two years. If we ever stoop to this level of stupidity I will burn my diploma.

When I hear these, I root for the underlying action. I noticed that all those swearing to move to Canada if Trump won remain firmly, and disappointingly, planted in the US.

I hope you would live feed your burn - maybe even do it at Burning Man and create an event out it. But I suspect that your parchment would remain safely on your wall, your donation levels consistent and attendance at sporting events the same.

But I get it, you are against 7 Circuit's idea.

 

[Sec_112]

... I'm not talking about brutal dunks....I'm talking about a combination of moves close in....and some serious ability to shoot gimmes out to the free throw line extended. When he gets comfortable with a big man on him 7 - 12 feet from the rim, when he welcomes that as an opportunity -- combined with the more effective D -- this team is transformed. His converting closer in at a higher rate opens up that three for him, and opens up passing lanes to perimeter shooters ...

Ahhhhh!! Someone was paying attention!!

Nance didn't have much trouble getting to the lane, but as Medill said he constantly missed those bunnies. He looked tight, but it's workable.

 

[Hungry Jack]

What did you see from Pete last season that makes him "unlike any prospect we have seen in memory"? Heck, BMac and Drewski had better FY seasons and were All B1G FY Team members. For that matter, so was Sobo......

I was the biggest Nance homer since he graduated from my old High School. But it seems his recruiting rating was based more on genetics than performance.......

A 6'10" who can space the floor, handle the ball well, move well. He needs to catch up with physical capabilities of the B1G, but the skills are there.

 

[Hungry Jack]

You should burn your diploma now, with the hope that your example gets others to follow, thus preventing such a ridiculous idea from ever getting traction.

I am going to burn some of Mrs. Jack's old bras. She is quite chesty, so it should create quite a conflagration. The smoke should be visible in Evanston.

 

[NJCat]

I am going to burn some of Mrs. Jack's old bras. She is quite chesty, so it should create quite a conflagration. The smoke should be visible in Evanston.

Hungry making his contribution to climate change.......