Four Star CB Jasiah Wagoner commits to OU
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Venables recruiting in New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Washington and in Dixie.
And he's just getting started.
And he's just getting started.
That’s because transparency and a winning culture are not limited by one’s zip code. All players know a good thing when they see it. Coach V is one of a kind. Players and their parents can see & feel the difference. It’s exciting to say the least!
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I was curious about this. I know Grinch was not happy with the height of many of our secondary guys when he came in. Of course, his opinion carries little weight around here.
I haven't considered size that much of an issue with players in high school who are committed to play CFB.
If Wagoner is too small at 170-175 lbs, then someone needs to tell OU, Alabama, Oregon, USC, Notre Dame and the other schools around the country who pursued him. That said, Wagoner will probably be at least 180 lbs. by the time he plays at OU.
In my opinion, I see Wagoner's talent that had him targeted by at least 19 schools.
If Wagoner is too small at 170-175 lbs, then someone needs to tell OU, Alabama, Oregon, USC, Notre Dame and the other schools around the country who pursued him. That said, Wagoner will probably be at least 180 lbs. by the time he plays at OU.
In my opinion, I see Wagoner's talent that had him targeted by at least 19 schools.
I think "too small" was a label that BV picked up in his junior college days. I've read where Wagoner plays much bigger and harder than his size.
I'm not saying that he might not be a high quality player. But the guys who hand out five star ratings, tend to lean toward those who have eye popping measurables. And a guy who is number five in the state of Washington, isn't likely to add a fifth star, any time soon. Obviously, Bama likes him and BV likes him. So he's a pretty good prospect.
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Yes he was, but my issues with him were that he was not a good player and taunted opposing players.... once getting flagged for taunting a receiver that allowed the opposing team to score a few players later after OU had stopped a 4th down play. Riley should have benched him, but never did.
Bookie's rep was considerably more than his ability. He was torched on a weekly basis. Apparently a really good guy, and a supreme leader at the high school level. But when you are place like IMG in HS, it covers up your weaknesses, because the team is so much more dominant than almost every team they play. That's especially true of quarterbacks, but it would probably be almost as much a factor at DB.
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Bookie was/is typical of so many players who buy into the all-about-me/taunting clown act, which coaches (in almost every sport) somehow tolerate. It's one of several reasons why I don't watch NFL football as much as I did and it's taking away, in part, from my love of major league baseball.
If I wanted to see these displays of taunting and all-about-me antics I would watch the phony "sport" of pro wrestling.
I'm not referring to every form of celebration, only excessive ones. Players deserve to have an emotional release from making a great play or winning a game.
In the 1993 win over Texas, Cale Gundy ran for a touchdown and ripped off his helmet in celebration. Coach Gibbs pulled him aside and told him not to do that again. That may have been a bit of an overreaction on Gibbs' part and it's certainly a scenario I'll never see again, but I believe Gibbs' intent was in the right direction.... even if it is considered today as "old school" by the current generation of fans, who seem to relish behavior far beyond what Gundy did.
If I wanted to see these displays of taunting and all-about-me antics I would watch the phony "sport" of pro wrestling.
I'm not referring to every form of celebration, only excessive ones. Players deserve to have an emotional release from making a great play or winning a game.
In the 1993 win over Texas, Cale Gundy ran for a touchdown and ripped off his helmet in celebration. Coach Gibbs pulled him aside and told him not to do that again. That may have been a bit of an overreaction on Gibbs' part and it's certainly a scenario I'll never see again, but I believe Gibbs' intent was in the right direction.... even if it is considered today as "old school" by the current generation of fans, who seem to relish behavior far beyond what Gundy did.
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I'm not suggesting size as in weight so much as height. I'm sure Schmitty will put the weight on as needed. However, short DB's were not preferred with the previous regime. I'm not saying the kid is done growing in height nor does it appear to matter as much to this coaching staff. I do remember the travails of Bookie and find it interesting.
CT, Cale came about the helmet deal honestly. Mike Gundy always took his helmet off after a TD before he could even get out of the end zone while playing at Midwest City High School. Cale followed Mike’s example. Dick Evans, who was a very good head coach and a former OU footballer, just never could make himself control the Gundy’s. When kids come into a program after being given such freedom to strut and bring attention to themselves in high school it takes a strong message from the college coach to rein them in. Unfortunately, Bob Stoops let it go too far, IMO. I hope Brent and his staff put a stop to that stuff quickly.
5'11" is not a short cornerback. I'd say 5'11"-6'0" is the norm. 6'2" starts entering rare company.
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I just have bad memories of bookie and Peewee Woods! As well as others that seemed to small and got picked on as well as pushed around in the run game.
I wasn't critical of Cale Gundy at all, least of all his "honesty".
The Gundy brothers have done so much in their professions at OU and OSU. I would like to see both retire as a Sooner and a Cowboy. They've done the state of Oklahoma proud.
Mike Gundy’s interviews are second only to Mike Leach’s in my mind. Both national treasures.
I believe LeBlanc announces tomorrow. I'm told we have reasons to be optimistic.
Johnny Bowens, DT out of Converse Texas is also targeted by OU. He may not decide very soon. ATM is among his other considerations.
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Brother, you know full well Brent will reel em in.
I don't think so. Meaning... I don't think he'll have to.
“When we offer somebody, we've actually seen an academic transcript, they've actually played a couple of years of high school football, varsity football, they possess the intrinsic qualities that we're looking for that fit our culture and our values, and if it's somebody that's not a team guy, no matter what his talent, that's not us, we're moving on. We don't need that. Then you recruit your problems."
Brent Venables
That quote is why he’s different and will be successful. Old school belief system with discipline but loves his players like a player’s coach.
Those are basically Derrick Strait's measurements as a frosh. Putting 15 lbs on this kid is a far cry from having to put 50 on a DL (looking at our most recent ballyhooed DE commit).
Cornerback Aaron Colvin played at 5'11" 176 lbs his freshman and sophomore years at OU in 2010 and 2011. Then he "ballooned up" to 181 and 182 his last two years. Colvin was an excellent CB.
Both of those guys were terrific players at OU, especially Strait. But neither were 5 star recruits. Colvin was a better pro, but neither was close to a great pro, because they weren't quite big enough or athletic enough.
That's the definition of a 5 star.
That's the definition of a 5 star.
A 5-star rating (or any recruiting rating) is a rating of high school players based on their high school resumes.
It has nothing to do with what their NFL potential will be 3-5 years later.
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