Nebraska fires Scott Frost after embarrassing home loss to Georgia Southern
Nebraska has fired Frost as head coach just three games into his fifth season on the job.
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Frost fired. Now we won't know what to expect.
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Insult to injury....Ga Southern is coached by Clay Helton (ex-architect of USC's demise). The buyout reasoning is a telling aspect. Nebraska was willing to pay double to cut him loose now rather than 4 weeks from now. $7.5 to $15 million.
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Nebraska has appointed Mickey Joseph as the interim head coach for the remainder of the season. Joseph was the starting quarterback for Nebraska and suffered a season ending injury against Oklahoma in 1990. He was never the same after that injury. Now, in a twist of fate, his first game as head coach is against the Sooners.
Some patience for this year's OU team is required.
Expect a better game this Saturday from OU as this team improves with each game and because Nebraska, even in its current condition, will be easy for Venables' team to get up for.
Nebraska paid Frost $15M when they could have “only” paid him $7.5M if they had waited until October 1st to fire him. That’s how bad they wanted him out.
No, it’s more like Trev Alberts padding his buddies pocket while he loots the university. Here’s another 7.5 million my friend……. Even Al Capone couldn’t have got away with that one :Nebraska paid Frost $15M when they could have “only” paid him $7.5M if they had waited until October 1st to fire him. That’s how bad they wanted him out.
The university didn't pay for that. Boosters did. No coach at a public university is paid for with school money after about $200K per year.
If Trev didn't have booster approval, he'll be gone by the end of the year.
You may be right but all I know is that Frost’s buyout was renegotiated after last season to reduce the buyout down to $7.5M after October 1st. Seems for them to do that and then fire him prior to October 1st is pretty telling how bad they wanted him out.
Scottsdale, how much do you think Nebraska will have pay the new coach? The rumor is probably true but OU is Nebraska’s last game during September. Next game is October 1st. Wow. $7.5M difference for one game more with Frost.
Frost was making $4 million a year. I think his UCF track record gave him a negotiating advantage when he came to Nebraska. Just a guess but I think Nebraska has to start at about $3 mil and remain flexible to $5 mil based on their selection. They have to bait the hook. Nebraska lost its luster and not many of today's young successful coaches remember when things were good in Lincoln. Nebraska certainly does not have the financial depth of donors that OU has. If I were a top shelf coach or coordinator being courted by Nebraska the first thing I would analyze would be the ability to recruit. Nebraska used to be coast to coast. No more. Venables is getting $7 million a year and he was considered the top of the list of D1 Coordinators. Will Nebraska venture this to secure a top shelf coaching candidate?
They're going to end up with someone like ULL's Billy Napier who ended up at UF. No way they can make a splash hire and its all an exercise in futility anyway. The fork has been buried in that proud program for some time now - no rivalry to sell (Iowa?) and no recruiting base.
I was really hoping NU would re-emerge and challenge Ohio St in the B10. However like someone said above I think NU wil never be the NU we grew up with. That is really sad for CFB and the Husker fans.
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I doubt they change much on either side of the ball . You cannot install a whole new scheme in five days.
I agree. Most likely Nebraska’s great teams are behind them. With the right coach they may have seasons that cause other B10 teams heartburn but I doubt there will be many. The “right” guy is foremost at the present time. It will be interesting to see who takes the job.
I think that’s what we’re saying, Woody. Question is can they get better with a new coach. Or should I say the right coach.Neb is is the level of Tulane my man. Same as yer president.
They can score but there Defense is shaky. We make stops & focus all 4 quarters, should win a 35-14 type game vs ‘Debbie’
Tom Osborne allowed his emotions to make his decisions and his decision to jump to the Big 10 was wrong. He took Nebraska out of the Big 12 and that's is where their identity permanently resided. They were almost guaranteed the poll position in the north division each year. They entered a Big 10 environment that no one really knew them or cared to know them. Ohio State and Michigan historically own the Big 10 and Nebraska has discovered there is no room for them. Penn State is the only school that has a chance to gain some ground in the conference. Where the Nebraska fans want to admit it or not, their fame and fortune hinged on their match ups with OU and Colorado. One those games dropped they lost serious recognition. There is virtually no where for Nebraska to go now. A coach considering Nebraska better put some hard thoughts and numbers on paper before accepting this job. How many 4 and 5 star players in Big 10 country? Where are they going? What would attract them to Lincoln?
I understand your pov, but I also understand Tom's. There is no doubt they were hurt by leaving. But the fact is that the Texas Longhorns caused this, in so many ways. If it was just Nebish, then I'd totally agree with you. But the president at UT convinced the non-athletic minded presidents in the conference to do things that were better for UT, but not for the other 11 teams in the conference.
It cost the conference four quality programs. Colorado? A bunch of us would say good riddance. But CU won a natty in the 90's and became a high quality program under McCartney. And were great under Barnett, including a great win over Texas is the 2001 CCG. They became Nebraska's equal after that.
Nebraska was a great program until Texas convinced the Big XII to limit the number of partial qualifiers in the conference, creating to them and other Big XII schools, higher restrictions than any other conference in the country. Texas did it, because it creates an advantage when you have the largest instate football recruiting base in America. They ran off A&M and they ran off Mizzou. Those were four quality athletic programs. And Texas did it because it was better for them, but not the other 11.
In football, from the creation of the Big XII in 1996, for a decade, the Big XII was as good as ANY conference in the country. But Texas didn't care about that. They only cared about themselves. Now, more great rivalries have been destroyed. We've been playing OSU for more than a century. That's going away. It sucks. And being aligned with Texas in this move to the SEC sucks.
For OU fans, having almost no conference road games in the former easy driving distance goes away. We are not in the southeastern part of the country. The culture of people in the Big XII fits us. The culture of the SEC does not. You may love the move to the SEC. I believe that ten years from now, we'll regret this. But the chances I'll be around by then is likely less the 50-50. We'll see.
But Texas ran off too many teams for the Big XII to stay great. Teams we've played for eight or nine or ten decades or more, who have our middle of the country outlook on life, will not be part of our future. At 71, it makes me sad. UT caused all of this. And we joined up with the worst possible dance partner.
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Plaino, this is one of your best posts.
And it explains perfectly why I dislike Texas more now than I did prior to 2010...which I did not think possible.
The Big 12 with Nebraska and ATM along with Colorado and Missouri, then TCU, Baylor, Texas Tech, OSU and Kansas State was a rock-solid conference and had its own unique culture in middle America.
But Texas has always been given preferential treatment by the NCAA and back in the late 1970's a Houston sports reporter revealed that Texas was a "watchdog school" (among a few others) for the NCAA, which caused quite a stir. What Texas wants, it gets.
I understand OU's motive ($$$$) in joining the SEC, but like you, I think the decision could be a very unwise in the long run, especially as it relates to winning another national championship for OU. And for me, approaching my 74th birthday in December, 2000 might seem like ancient history.
I just hope that OU can use its legacy in Dixie and Venables' familiarity with recruiting there to attract the same level of talent as Alabama and Georgia. But the chances of OU fading into the woodwork as Missouri and Arkansas have done since joining the SEC concern me. ATM keeps getting great talent, but still cannot get out of its own way for winning championships....and the Aggies' inferiority complex to Texas lives on.
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Nice post to both of you. I just hope OU doesnt become like NU in the B10, or how Arkansas became in the SEC. I do think the OU program will fare better in football than those schools I mentioned but OU isnt going to be dominating in football in the SEC year in and year out.
In the other SEC sports I believe OU will be fine year in and year out. Just that in football we are spoiled and expect greatness which OU will achieve in FB at times but just not like we did in the B8/12.
Nice post to both of you. I just hope OU doesnt become like NU in the B10, or how Arkansas became in the SEC. I do think the OU program will fare better in football than those schools I mentioned but OU isnt going to be dominating in football in the SEC year in and year out.
In the other SEC sports I believe OU will be fine year in and year out. Just that in football we are spoiled and expect greatness which OU will achieve in FB at times but just not like we did in the B8/12.
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One of my inner voices tells me that if anyone can keep OU winning its share of championships and representing itself as an Alabama/Georgia type program, it's Venables.
I agree with everything you stated but that does not absolve or justify Osborne's and the three others decisions. I agree that Texas made it difficult for those four teams and I agree that most of the blame rest at the UT doorstep. You seem to frame it as if there was not possible way of standing up to Texas which is simply not true. The schools that remained suffered no set back. I think it an extremely weak argument to say that today's failure are the fault of UT's historical positions. These four teams made hasty decisions that cost their programs. That is where the fault lies. In my opinion, none of these four teams are better off today. Colorado and Nebraska are far worse off and to say its Texas fault is a cop out. Again, just my opinion, but I think the decisions to leave based on the actions of one is short sighted and poorly thought out. Arguably, teams that stayed and stood up to Texas are better off today and Texas is suffering the backwash of their position. "Discretion is the better part of valor". Sometimes it is better to hold your position to determine the next move. Turn tail and running before assessment proved to be costly.
Whenever there’s a coaching change early in the season there’s always a chance of Lincoln Riley situations occurring. Not that Nebraska is such a plumb job as was USC, but regardless we’re now talking about current head coaches moving to Nebraska next year. That’s not good for the coaches and especially for their current programs and players. Right now Iowa State and Kentucky players have to be having a hard time keeping their eye on the ball. No pun intended. That sucks.
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One other "fly in the ointment" Nebraska has to deal with is simple geography, aside from how long it's been since the Cornhuskers were on an elite level.
Nebraska really can't sell its great history anymore. Recruits are of the current young generation that ignores anything that did not happen in their lifetimes. Devaney's and Osbourne's great legacies are meaningless to most high school boys being recruited.
And playing in a rural area surrounded by Iowa, Colorado, Wyoming, South Dakota and Kansas is a huge hurdle to overcome in the eyes of a recruit.
Recruiting now will surely be diminished even more by Frost's removal three games into the season.
As one who loves the history of CFB and who is in his twilight years, I genuinely feel sorry for the Nebraska fans of my generation. If OU was in the same situation, I would find it unbearable.
Saturday's game is of "two ships passing in the night" and I believe if there was ever a case for a team in desperate need of a victory, especially against what was its biggest rival, it's the 2022 Nebraska team.
Venables is aware of the mindset of the Nebraska team. He's also aware of how his team must improve with each game. I believe he will have OU well prepared to face a very desperate opponent on Saturday.
Nebraska really can't sell its great history anymore. Recruits are of the current young generation that ignores anything that did not happen in their lifetimes. Devaney's and Osbourne's great legacies are meaningless to most high school boys being recruited.
And playing in a rural area surrounded by Iowa, Colorado, Wyoming, South Dakota and Kansas is a huge hurdle to overcome in the eyes of a recruit.
Recruiting now will surely be diminished even more by Frost's removal three games into the season.
As one who loves the history of CFB and who is in his twilight years, I genuinely feel sorry for the Nebraska fans of my generation. If OU was in the same situation, I would find it unbearable.
Saturday's game is of "two ships passing in the night" and I believe if there was ever a case for a team in desperate need of a victory, especially against what was its biggest rival, it's the 2022 Nebraska team.
Venables is aware of the mindset of the Nebraska team. He's also aware of how his team must improve with each game. I believe he will have OU well prepared to face a very desperate opponent on Saturday.
I rarely am up this early on purpose so before I fade off to sleep again I pray that our beloved sister Seniorita Sooner is well and will be with us and sharing her thoughts and perspectives often this season.
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