Gotta work on rebounding.
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Boxing out. A lost art. And also a great way to get in guys heads. Shot up, you find a body and back up against it. So foreign - players think they are fouled or go over the back. I have pissed off sooo many guys boxing out in pick up games.
they could have have drawn some needed early fouls in first half by bodying up.
they could have have drawn some needed early fouls in first half by bodying up.
Boxing out is the first responsibility. Getting the actual rebound is second
Did you have the old defensive rebounding drill where you had 4 players on defense and six on offense chasing intentionally missed shots?
The best rebound is one that bounces. Means everybody bodied up and you could collapse on the ball.
One guy boxes, advantage. Three or four get bodies on bodies then easy to sweep the board.
Our problem was other team had position because we didn’t secure the space under the basket.
No but similar was coach would throw up the ball with 3D 2O or 4D 3O. Intent was to find a body with shot up - and we did emphasize calling out the jump shot.
Few teams crash four to the O boards. If you don’t get that board, lots of easy fast breaks. And if we had more success, we could have run their bigs onto the bench or into tired foul trouble - kinda like we did in stretches of the second half. Those big guys running back and forth consecutively wear down fast.
The defensive rebounding is officially a big problem for this team. As someone mentioned the other day, we have not been this bad at defensive rebounding since Carmody's last season, and we are light years worse than the 2nd-worst Collins team.
This year we are allowing opponents to get 36.4% of their missed shots, 303rd in the country. The last time we allowed more rebounds was the 2006-07 team, which allowed 38.8% of opponent misses to be rebounded, 329th in the country. The last time we've been this bad from a national ranked standpoint was Carmody's last year in 2012-13, when we allowed 36.0% and were 322nd in the country.
The next-worst Collins team as far as percentage of opponent misses to be rebounded was the 2014-15 team, which allowed 30.9%, though that was good enough for #165 in the country. The next-worst Collins team by national rank was, oddly enough, the first tourney team in 2016-17, which allowed 30.6% and was 239th in the country.
So far this year in our games:
Mercyhurst - dominated them because their biggest guys were 6'8" 215lbs and 6'6" 230 lbs. Not a fair fight.
Boston U - For the season, they have gotten shots off of offensive boards on 7.5% of possessions. In our game, they got them on 11% of possessions (8 total) but only scored 3 points
Cleveland St. - Like Boston U, on the season they're at 7.5%, in our game they were 11% (9 total) and scored 11 points, though it didn't matter because we thrashed them
DePaul - on the season, they are at 10%, in our game they were 16% (14 total) and scored 20 points
Virginia - we mostly held them to their average, surprisingly. 15% on the season, 16.6% (15 total) in our game and scored 15 points
South Carolina - 10% on the season, 14.4% in our game (11 total) and scored 14 points. Yes, many of the rebounds were goofy long ones from the 3s they chucked up.
This is a pattern now of allowing teams to perform much better than their season average. Oklahoma St. is averaging shots off rebounds on 9.1% of their possessions. They shoot 36% of their shots from 3. Let's hope we figure something out in practice this week.
This year we are allowing opponents to get 36.4% of their missed shots, 303rd in the country. The last time we allowed more rebounds was the 2006-07 team, which allowed 38.8% of opponent misses to be rebounded, 329th in the country. The last time we've been this bad from a national ranked standpoint was Carmody's last year in 2012-13, when we allowed 36.0% and were 322nd in the country.
The next-worst Collins team as far as percentage of opponent misses to be rebounded was the 2014-15 team, which allowed 30.9%, though that was good enough for #165 in the country. The next-worst Collins team by national rank was, oddly enough, the first tourney team in 2016-17, which allowed 30.6% and was 239th in the country.
So far this year in our games:
Mercyhurst - dominated them because their biggest guys were 6'8" 215lbs and 6'6" 230 lbs. Not a fair fight.
Boston U - For the season, they have gotten shots off of offensive boards on 7.5% of possessions. In our game, they got them on 11% of possessions (8 total) but only scored 3 points
Cleveland St. - Like Boston U, on the season they're at 7.5%, in our game they were 11% (9 total) and scored 11 points, though it didn't matter because we thrashed them
DePaul - on the season, they are at 10%, in our game they were 16% (14 total) and scored 20 points
Virginia - we mostly held them to their average, surprisingly. 15% on the season, 16.6% (15 total) in our game and scored 15 points
South Carolina - 10% on the season, 14.4% in our game (11 total) and scored 14 points. Yes, many of the rebounds were goofy long ones from the 3s they chucked up.
This is a pattern now of allowing teams to perform much better than their season average. Oklahoma St. is averaging shots off rebounds on 9.1% of their possessions. They shoot 36% of their shots from 3. Let's hope we figure something out in practice this week.
I think on how much of this falls on Page in particular. The kid is beyond unreal offensively and I thought played a little better vs SC defensively, but he once again had only 3 rebounds. That's just terrible and has to be a big part of why we're getting killed.
Right. With the name of the game for many teams being threes and hanging out at that line, what you frequently see is everyone running back on defense after a teammate puts up a shot. So getting a large number of offensive rebounds represents both an offensive strategy plus size and skill. These team that buried NU on offensive rebounds likely had a significant size advantage and weren't as focused on threes.
Look at Nick's rebounding stats vs Tier A+B Teams
What's interesting to me is that all throughout his career, Nick has actually kept up his defensive rebounding performances against Tier A+B competition. However, this year, he's defensive boarding has dropped off by 29% in games across higher quality opponents. If I added rows on that table for '24 and '25 Nicholson and Barnhizer, you'd see that their DReb% vs all and vs. Tier A+B would be identicial.
My take - Nick is fine at defensive rebounding - but it's not a strength for him.
Perhaps it's small sample size (only 3 games), but one quick wondering I'm holding is the Defensive rebounding of his fellow front court mates:
Some significant variance vs. better quality oppo. It's good to see that Tre is actually holding his own even as the minutes tick up on protecting glass. However, 26.5% drop off for Page in DReb against better opponents.
I think Page and Singleton are likely just as physically talented - however, they still are adapting to the higher amount of minutes against better opponents. The hoping part is that they can figure out the learning curve since those guys are playing the majority of minutes in the front court.
| Year/Oppo | Games | %Min | OReb% | DReb% |
| '23 all | 20 | 14.6 | 10.1 | 6.6 |
| '23 v. Tier A+B | 14 | 18.3 | 8.6 | 6.8 |
| '24 all | 34 | 63.8 | 6.4 | 14.4 |
| '24 v. Tier A+B | 21 | 68.9 | 5.0 | 14.9 |
| '25 all | 33 | 92.7 | 7.3 | 12.7 |
| '25 v. Tier A+B | 24 | 94.8 | 7.4 | 12.5 |
| '26 all | 6 | 79.6 | 8.4 | 13.1 |
| '26 v. Tier A+B | 3 | 88.3 | 8.4 | 9.3 |
What's interesting to me is that all throughout his career, Nick has actually kept up his defensive rebounding performances against Tier A+B competition. However, this year, he's defensive boarding has dropped off by 29% in games across higher quality opponents. If I added rows on that table for '24 and '25 Nicholson and Barnhizer, you'd see that their DReb% vs all and vs. Tier A+B would be identicial.
My take - Nick is fine at defensive rebounding - but it's not a strength for him.
Perhaps it's small sample size (only 3 games), but one quick wondering I'm holding is the Defensive rebounding of his fellow front court mates:
| Player | Year / Oppo | Games | %Min | OReb% | DReb% |
| A. Page | '26 all | 6 | 67.1 | 9.1 | 20 |
| A. Page | '26 v. Tier A+B | 3 | 75.0 | 3.3 | 14.7 |
| T. Singleton | '26 all | 6 | 57.1 | 2.9 | 18.2 |
| T. Singleton | '26 v Tier A+B | 3 | 60.8 | 2.0 | 21.1 |
Some significant variance vs. better quality oppo. It's good to see that Tre is actually holding his own even as the minutes tick up on protecting glass. However, 26.5% drop off for Page in DReb against better opponents.
I think Page and Singleton are likely just as physically talented - however, they still are adapting to the higher amount of minutes against better opponents. The hoping part is that they can figure out the learning curve since those guys are playing the majority of minutes in the front court.
NU’s last two opponents were extremely three point oriented and NU had a size advantage on DePaul and no big disadvantage vs the other two. We WILL face a disadvantage in the Big Ten.
If Page is grabbing 6-7 rebounds per game instead of 3 this is a lot different