Matt Mooney is doing well at TTU.how many 5th year transfers move up (in terms of conference power) and do well?
no one is playing great but surprised at Taylor. admittedly i didn't see one game from his old school but based on production i thought he would be a little more of a go-getter
Matt Mooney is doing well at TTU.
No Clue. But Taylor scored over 20 in each of 2 games against Loyola last season, so he wasn't a stiff against good competition. But he had just 2 points in 38 minutes against N Iowa in the conference tournament.......i saw that before- but is he the norm? or is taylor?
Does it really matter??Haywood - what is the likelihood that Falzon is on the roster next year ?
Taylor without the ball is HORRIBLE.
With the ball ... eh.
If I was a coach, after the Taylor experience, I'd really have to think long and hard about future grad transfers. I'd rather take my chance on building a 12th or 13th schollie. The next guy either would :
A) DEFINITELY need to make a difference between a tourney team and non-tourney team, or;
B) Really need to convince me that he will be emotionally invested. And why did he leave his last program? Probably because he didn't buy in.
You use the grad transfer route to fill in holes in the roster.Taylor without the ball is HORRIBLE.
With the ball ... eh.
If I was a coach, after the Taylor experience, I'd really have to think long and hard about future grad transfers. I'd rather take my chance on building a 12th or 13th schollie. The next guy either would :
A) DEFINITELY need to make a difference between a tourney team and non-tourney team, or;
B) Really need to convince me that he will be emotionally invested. And why did he leave his last program? Probably because he didn't buy in.
You mean like Jeremiah Kreisberg?I agree 98% with the points made here. I think the one exception on the grad transfer front who fits beyond A and B is a backup post player when the team did not have a home grown mature backup. Few players have the physical maturity to control the post when they matriculate, and against some teams a promising first or second year player who is the future center just won’t be able to hold defensive position. Having a guy who has bulked up who can play 10 minutes a game to spell a solid starter and physically bang a big center is of real value, and the buy in required to do that is pretty minimal. This role is a lot different from a scoring swing man or point guard.
No, he transferred from an ACC school, not a lesser conference. Haywood asked how many transfers work out when the player "moves up" in competition.Van Zegeren is a perfect example.
NU hasn't had a full roster for how many years? So the idea that Taylor is somehow keeping the Cats from giving out a scholarship to a high school development kid is inaccurate. I know Collins has come under a lot of criticism for a lot of things lately, but I can't criticize him for giving Ryan Taylor, the leading scoring from the Missouri Valley Conference, a scholarship. I mean, he's averaging over 11 points a game, which is more than all of our vaunted freshmen class combined. So no, he didn't produce at the level we all hoped, but he was certainly worth the roster spot.
Took me a little while to sort through the data, but here's what I found:how many 5th year transfers move up (in terms of conference power) and do well?
no one is playing great but surprised at Taylor. admittedly i didn't see one game from his old school but based on production i thought he would be a little more of a go-getter
Took me a little while to sort through the data, but here's what I found:
Over the 7 years since the grad transfer rule went into effect (first season is 2012-13), there have been 276 grad transfers who have played for the team they transferred to. 170 of those went from mid or low major to power conference or equivalent team (Gonzaga, VCU, UConn, etc). Of those 170, only 21 have played 70% of available minutes or more (Taylor has played 75% of minutes thus far).
2013:
Julius Mays, starting SG for Kentucky team that went to NIT and lost to Robert Morris, came from Wright State
Jarred Dubois, starting SG for bad Utah team
2014:
DeAndre Kane, excellent starting PG for Iowa State team that went to Sweet 16, came from Marshall
2015:
Aaron Brown, starting SF for bad Boston College team
Matt Carlino, starting SG for bad Marquette team
Keith Shamburger, starting PG for terrible Mizzou team
Jon Octeus, starting PG for Purdue team that lost in 1st round of tourney as a 9-seed, from Colorado St
2016:
Arthur Edwards, starting SG for mediocre Bama team that lost in 1st round of NIT
Damion Lee, excellent starting SF for Louisville team with postseason ban, from Drexel
2017:
Grant Mullins, starting SG for Cal team that just missed out on the tourney and lost in 1st round of NIT. 43% 3pt shooter, from Columbia
Rodney Pryor, starting SG for bad Georgetown team. 41% 3pt shooter, from Robert Morris
John Gillon, starting PG for Syracuse team that just missed the tourney and lost in 2nd round of NIT, 42% 3pt shooter, from Colorado St
2018:
Antwoine Anderson, starting SG for bad UConn team
Egor Koulechov, starting stretch-4 for Florida team that lost in 2nd round of tourney, 40% 3pt shooter, from Rice
Kassius Robertson, starting SG for Mizzou team that lost in 1st round of tourney, 44% 3pt shooter, from Canisius
Elijah Brown, starting SG for Oregon team that lost in 2nd round of NIT, from New Mexico
2019:
Justin Coleman, starting PG for Arizona, 38% 3pt shooter, from Samford
Christen Cunningham, excellent starting PG for elite Louisville team, 39% 3pt shooter, also from Samford
Zach Johnson, starting SG for mediocre Miami team
Matt Mooney, starting PG for elite Texas Tech team, 38% 3pt shooter, 1.8 steals per game
Ryan Taylor
Out of this list, the hit rate is maybe 50% that you find a guy who is solid, and only a handful have been transformational. It seems that expecting Taylor to be a savior playing 30+ minutes per game was a bit much to ask.
Nice work!Took me a little while to sort through the data, but here's what I found:
Over the 7 years since the grad transfer rule went into effect (first season is 2012-13), there have been 276 grad transfers who have played for the team they transferred to. 170 of those went from mid or low major to power conference or equivalent team (Gonzaga, VCU, UConn, etc). Of those 170, only 21 have played 70% of available minutes or more (Taylor has played 75% of minutes thus far).
2013:
Julius Mays, starting SG for Kentucky team that went to NIT and lost to Robert Morris, came from Wright State
Jarred Dubois, starting SG for bad Utah team
2014:
DeAndre Kane, excellent starting PG for Iowa State team that went to Sweet 16, came from Marshall
2015:
Aaron Brown, starting SF for bad Boston College team
Matt Carlino, starting SG for bad Marquette team
Keith Shamburger, starting PG for terrible Mizzou team
Jon Octeus, starting PG for Purdue team that lost in 1st round of tourney as a 9-seed, from Colorado St
2016:
Arthur Edwards, starting SG for mediocre Bama team that lost in 1st round of NIT
Damion Lee, excellent starting SF for Louisville team with postseason ban, from Drexel
2017:
Grant Mullins, starting SG for Cal team that just missed out on the tourney and lost in 1st round of NIT. 43% 3pt shooter, from Columbia
Rodney Pryor, starting SG for bad Georgetown team. 41% 3pt shooter, from Robert Morris
John Gillon, starting PG for Syracuse team that just missed the tourney and lost in 2nd round of NIT, 42% 3pt shooter, from Colorado St
2018:
Antwoine Anderson, starting SG for bad UConn team
Egor Koulechov, starting stretch-4 for Florida team that lost in 2nd round of tourney, 40% 3pt shooter, from Rice
Kassius Robertson, starting SG for Mizzou team that lost in 1st round of tourney, 44% 3pt shooter, from Canisius
Elijah Brown, starting SG for Oregon team that lost in 2nd round of NIT, from New Mexico
2019:
Justin Coleman, starting PG for Arizona, 38% 3pt shooter, from Samford
Christen Cunningham, excellent starting PG for elite Louisville team, 39% 3pt shooter, also from Samford
Zach Johnson, starting SG for mediocre Miami team
Matt Mooney, starting PG for elite Texas Tech team, 38% 3pt shooter, 1.8 steals per game
Ryan Taylor
Out of this list, the hit rate is maybe 50% that you find a guy who is solid, and only a handful have been transformational. It seems that expecting Taylor to be a savior playing 30+ minutes per game was a bit much to ask.
Duncan Robinson.Who was the 3 point shooting Michigan forward a couple years back that came from a DIII school?
Took me a little while to sort through the data, but here's what I found:
Over the 7 years since the grad transfer rule went into effect (first season is 2012-13), there have been 276 grad transfers who have played for the team they transferred to. 170 of those went from mid or low major to power conference or equivalent team (Gonzaga, VCU, UConn, etc). Of those 170, only 21 have played 70% of available minutes or more (Taylor has played 75% of minutes thus far).
2013:
Julius Mays, starting SG for Kentucky team that went to NIT and lost to Robert Morris, came from Wright State
Jarred Dubois, starting SG for bad Utah team
2014:
DeAndre Kane, excellent starting PG for Iowa State team that went to Sweet 16, came from Marshall
2015:
Aaron Brown, starting SF for bad Boston College team
Matt Carlino, starting SG for bad Marquette team
Keith Shamburger, starting PG for terrible Mizzou team
Jon Octeus, starting PG for Purdue team that lost in 1st round of tourney as a 9-seed, from Colorado St
2016:
Arthur Edwards, starting SG for mediocre Bama team that lost in 1st round of NIT
Damion Lee, excellent starting SF for Louisville team with postseason ban, from Drexel
2017:
Grant Mullins, starting SG for Cal team that just missed out on the tourney and lost in 1st round of NIT. 43% 3pt shooter, from Columbia
Rodney Pryor, starting SG for bad Georgetown team. 41% 3pt shooter, from Robert Morris
John Gillon, starting PG for Syracuse team that just missed the tourney and lost in 2nd round of NIT, 42% 3pt shooter, from Colorado St
2018:
Antwoine Anderson, starting SG for bad UConn team
Egor Koulechov, starting stretch-4 for Florida team that lost in 2nd round of tourney, 40% 3pt shooter, from Rice
Kassius Robertson, starting SG for Mizzou team that lost in 1st round of tourney, 44% 3pt shooter, from Canisius
Elijah Brown, starting SG for Oregon team that lost in 2nd round of NIT, from New Mexico
2019:
Justin Coleman, starting PG for Arizona, 38% 3pt shooter, from Samford
Christen Cunningham, excellent starting PG for elite Louisville team, 39% 3pt shooter, also from Samford
Zach Johnson, starting SG for mediocre Miami team
Matt Mooney, starting PG for elite Texas Tech team, 38% 3pt shooter, 1.8 steals per game
Ryan Taylor
Out of this list, the hit rate is maybe 50% that you find a guy who is solid, and only a handful have been transformational. It seems that expecting Taylor to be a savior playing 30+ minutes per game was a bit much to ask.
He wasn't a grad transfer though, so he had a year to get up to major conference speed.Duncan Robinson.
He wasn't a grad transfer though, so he had a year to get up to major conference speed.
If the field gets expanded to 60% of minutes or more, there are another 30 guys who went from low/mid-major to major. Highlights include:Took me a little while to sort through the data, but here's what I found:
Over the 7 years since the grad transfer rule went into effect (first season is 2012-13), there have been 276 grad transfers who have played for the team they transferred to. 170 of those went from mid or low major to power conference or equivalent team (Gonzaga, VCU, UConn, etc). Of those 170, only 21 have played 70% of available minutes or more (Taylor has played 75% of minutes thus far).
2013:
Julius Mays, starting SG for Kentucky team that went to NIT and lost to Robert Morris, came from Wright State
Jarred Dubois, starting SG for bad Utah team
2014:
DeAndre Kane, excellent starting PG for Iowa State team that went to Sweet 16, came from Marshall
2015:
Aaron Brown, starting SF for bad Boston College team
Matt Carlino, starting SG for bad Marquette team
Keith Shamburger, starting PG for terrible Mizzou team
Jon Octeus, starting PG for Purdue team that lost in 1st round of tourney as a 9-seed, from Colorado St
2016:
Arthur Edwards, starting SG for mediocre Bama team that lost in 1st round of NIT
Damion Lee, excellent starting SF for Louisville team with postseason ban, from Drexel
2017:
Grant Mullins, starting SG for Cal team that just missed out on the tourney and lost in 1st round of NIT. 43% 3pt shooter, from Columbia
Rodney Pryor, starting SG for bad Georgetown team. 41% 3pt shooter, from Robert Morris
John Gillon, starting PG for Syracuse team that just missed the tourney and lost in 2nd round of NIT, 42% 3pt shooter, from Colorado St
2018:
Antwoine Anderson, starting SG for bad UConn team
Egor Koulechov, starting stretch-4 for Florida team that lost in 2nd round of tourney, 40% 3pt shooter, from Rice
Kassius Robertson, starting SG for Mizzou team that lost in 1st round of tourney, 44% 3pt shooter, from Canisius
Elijah Brown, starting SG for Oregon team that lost in 2nd round of NIT, from New Mexico
2019:
Justin Coleman, starting PG for Arizona, 38% 3pt shooter, from Samford
Christen Cunningham, excellent starting PG for elite Louisville team, 39% 3pt shooter, also from Samford
Zach Johnson, starting SG for mediocre Miami team
Matt Mooney, starting PG for elite Texas Tech team, 38% 3pt shooter, 1.8 steals per game
Ryan Taylor
Out of this list, the hit rate is maybe 50% that you find a guy who is solid, and only a handful have been transformational. It seems that expecting Taylor to be a savior playing 30+ minutes per game was a bit much to ask.
Lastly, looking at depth guys/starters between 40-60% of minutes, out of 52 guys, the highlights include:
2013:
Jake O'Brien, starting C for Temple team that collapsed and lost to IU in 2nd round of tourney, great shot blocker and 43% 3pt shooter, from Boston U
2014:
Joey King, not a grad transfer but immediately eligible, starting PF for Gopher team that won the NIT, from Drake
2015:
MJ Rhett, starting C for Ole Miss team that lost in 2nd round of the tourney, from Tennessee St
Bryce DeJean-Jones, backup SF for Iowa St team that got upset as a 3-seed in the 1st round, from UNLV
Nick Zeisloft, backup SF for IU team that lost in the 1st round of the tourney, 3pt specialist, 45% shooter, from Illinois St
2016:
Johnny Hill, backup PG for underachieving Purdue team that lost in the 1st round of the tourney, pesky player, from UT-Arlington
2017:
Austin Arians, starting SF for Wake Forest team that lost in the 1st round of the tourney, 3pt specialist, 43% shooter, from UW-Milwaukee
Cullen Neal, backup SG for Ole Miss team that went to the NIT, 41% 3pt shooter, from New Mexico
Akeem Springs, starting SG for Gophers team that lost in the 1st round of the tourney, from UW-Milwaukee
Canyon Barry, backup SF for Florida team that made Elite 8, NU was in running for him, from College of Charleston
2018:
Kerem Kanter, starting C for Xavier team that lost in 2nd round of tourney as a 1-seed, from UW-Green Bay
James Daniel, backup PG for Tennessee team that lost in 2nd round of tourney to Loyola, from Howard
Sam Hunt, backup SG for NC St team that lost in the 1st round of the tourney, 3pt specialist, 42% shooter, from NC A&T
2019:
Trey Porter, starting C for Nevada, from Old Dominion, can't stay on the court enough due to foul trouble but is great shot blocker and efficient scorer
Wyatt Walker, starting C for NC St, also can't stay on the floor due to foul trouble but is great shot blocker and efficient scorer, from Samford (apparently Samford would've been really good this year if they didn't lose 3 guys as grad transfers??)
Hit rate of about 30% here.
Yeah, weird situation there. Found this SI article from 2 months ago that talks about up-transfers and mentions 2 of the 3 guys were hurt and redshirted last year, then all decided to transfer away. https://www.si.com/college-basketba...fers-reid-travis-kentucky-joe-cremo-villanovaNice work, Cappy.
Poor Samford.