After watching the game yesterday I think Grayson brings more to this team than just his ability to put the ball in the bucket. We lacked "edge" yesterday and that is something that Grayson brings. His action are obviously not appropriate but when he comes back I hope he is able to play with the emotion that he usually does. I think it is contagious for people on this team, even Amille. His ability this season to get in the lane and kick to open shooters is something that was lacking yesterday, although I don't know that we could make open shots yesterday. We need Grayson Allen back.
Grayson Factor
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Agreed dd, we are playing soft. Someone needs to slap Bolden in the face and bring out his edge too. The guy is a monster physically. It's a shame he's not abusing others in the paint.
I think we need more games closer together. These last few weeks have been tough with very little game action. Practice is great but there is no way to replicate game reps. We can over analyze this to death but I'm looking forward to seeing how we progress going forward
I had a VT fan tell me at the game yesterday "if Allen don't sit at least half the conference schedule it's an absolute joke and K don't have any balls"
I laughed at his stupidity and said "congrats on your big win today, I know this was your final 4"
I laughed at his stupidity and said "congrats on your big win today, I know this was your final 4"
Yeah I heard a lot of crap from VT fans as well. Whats a joke is their program and their nice NIT banners. Can't stand anything about VT. If Duke is overrated then why did they storm the court?
VT has a good team this year and I usually root for them when not playing duke since I go to a handful of games....but my god some of their fans are just plain stupid and think the world revolves around the VT program
Yeah, I think you're on to something, Chov. Playing one game, being off 10 days...rinse, repeat, isn't what this team needs right now. Some more games under our belt, plus Grayson, and Harry (knocking the rust off) will certainly help.
Perhaps he's a better leader and inspiration than most on here were giving him credit for.
Love the kid. I hope he gets sorted out soon and is back to show everyone who's boss.
Love the kid. I hope he gets sorted out soon and is back to show everyone who's boss.
Now about Grayson. There is no doubt how much he means to this team. Even with all our other problems, with Grayson we're much better. So, getting him back is a priority.
How long will he be out? Maybe it's only one game, but certainly not more than 3 imo. No matter how many games (unless it was the rest of the season) the media, and opponent fans will howl and whine.
And when we get him back, what to expect?
From the team: I think the team won't have any lingering problems with him...he's not been exiled, he's practicing with everyone. He makes everyone around him a little better with the attention he draws, and his passing ability...that benefits his teammates.
From the media, and refs: Holy hell. No matter how well behaved Grayson is, he'll be pummeled. In basketball feet get tangled all the time, and anytime Grayson's feet touch someone, or anyone near him falls down...immediately it'll be Grayson's fault (saw this a few times last year, and it'll only be worse now). And fouls...I'll be willing to bet dollars to doughnut holes that Grayson will be whistled more often for them.
Grayson has turned the spotlight up on himself (and the team)...but a pound of flesh will be sought.
Hopefully, Grayson can keep his calm, and some of the drama will die down (not betting on it). Anyway, we need a focused Grayson Allen for this team to reach it's potential. I believe he can hold up his part.
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How long will he be out? Maybe it's only one game, but certainly not more than 3 imo. No matter how many games (unless it was the rest of the season) the media, and opponent fans will howl and whine.
And when we get him back, what to expect?
From the team: I think the team won't have any lingering problems with him...he's not been exiled, he's practicing with everyone. He makes everyone around him a little better with the attention he draws, and his passing ability...that benefits his teammates.
From the media, and refs: Holy hell. No matter how well behaved Grayson is, he'll be pummeled. In basketball feet get tangled all the time, and anytime Grayson's feet touch someone, or anyone near him falls down...immediately it'll be Grayson's fault (saw this a few times last year, and it'll only be worse now). And fouls...I'll be willing to bet dollars to doughnut holes that Grayson will be whistled more often for them.
Grayson has turned the spotlight up on himself (and the team)...but a pound of flesh will be sought.
Hopefully, Grayson can keep his calm, and some of the drama will die down (not betting on it). Anyway, we need a focused Grayson Allen for this team to reach it's potential. I believe he can hold up his part.
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ESPN's coverage was on par with recent trends. They had a "Grayson cam" taking up a quarter of the screen for a ten minute stretch in the first half. Meanwhile the commentator says the situation was handled incorrectly and the ACC should've stepped in the next day. How does he know they didn't talk to K? Why insert his opinion in the middle of the game?
You know how they run with crap, Denver. They couldn't care less about whether truth or accuracy is involved or not. Sensationalism is all that matters.
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I don't know, Mpm, but I suspect that it's just part of the punishment by Coach K.
You know, the same Coach K that doesn't punish anyone unless the media gets on his azz and gives him specific details on what to do. /S
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This won't be popular but , unfortunately , Grayson's presence woulda made zero difference yesterday. Duke got whupped and looked about as bad as you can look while doin' it. All that firepower and Duke's a one-man team?! How is that possible? I'll tell ya how. As of right now...for whatever reason...some guy(s?) think that Duke is an audition for the NBA and are more concerned with their press clippings and draft stock and personal goals than they are with "buying in" ( as Luke Kennard has already said! ) to playing as a team. If Luke is correct ( and why wouldn't he be? ) let's face it. There's not much that can be done. Once this internal stuff happens , it's very hard to repair. It just is. Stuff happens. Right now , Duke is a collection of elite talent but nowhere near being a TEAM. That doesn't get fixed and ya can look for a 20+-win season and a quick exit in the NCAA's. Is what it is. Now , the good news...if anyone can get his arms around this , it's K. He took a group of OAD's to a title in 2015 AND , if memory serves , he has a decent record molding some of the best players on the planet into successful TEAMS. As such , the ceiling is very high for this group. AND "injuries" ARE a legit reason as to why this team may be slow playing together as a unit. Unfortunately , injuries are part of the game though. It's something K will have to deal with...as he will the internal stuff. He's certainly capable but , for now , we''ll just have to wait and see. My 2 cents anyway.
My inlaws are telling me that Grayson shouldn't ever be allowed to play college basketball at all, be kicked off the team, and that K is only punishing him because of the media backlash. It's kind of amazing how some people can't just use common sense to think thru things. Is K actually going to suspend him at 1am after the game is over and they're back in Durham? He literally did it first thing the next morning.
Mpm, people drop all semblance of having common sense when they let their hatred take over. I don't know if your inlaws 'hate' Duke, or Coach K, but I suspect they, at least, don't have the highest regard for either.
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I agree with much you've written, DevilDj, but I think having Grayson on the court would have made a difference. Enough to win the game...probably not (VT was very good), but enough to have made it at least competitive.
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Agreed. That's closer to what I meant. Shoulda been clearer. My bad. Grayson playing definitely woulda helped , he just wouldn't have been enough to change the outcome.
I wish Grayson would have tripped Buzz Williams. He was jumping around on the court like a chimp right behind the ball handler.
While we're on the subject , I gotta beef with something. Yes , Grayson shoulda never tripped anyone. I'm not defending his actions and never will. I'm on record as saying I'll be disappointed in K if Grayson doesn't get ( at least! ) a 3-5 game suspension. Some disagree and that's fine. I'm not debating that. My beef is with those who credit Grayson with 3 trips. It ain't 3. It's 2. Don't get me wrong. 2 is 2 too many but they replay that FSU incident as if that's the same as the Elon game. Not even close. In fact , had he never done it the other 2 times , the FSU game would be long-forgotten. Re-cap. The game was over. FSU kid purposely approaches Grayson from behind. The FSU kid says something to Grayson. I'm guessin' it wasn't "Hey , great game playa! Love ya!" but who knows? Anyway , he speaks , pops Grayson in the back of the head ( not maliciously but he still did it ) then starts to jog off. Grayson just guesstimated where the guy was running off to. He never turned around. Had the guy gone in the opposite direction , he never gets touched. Anyway , Grayson guessed right and was able to trip the guy. Should he have done it? No. Shoulda ignored whatever was said and even shoiulda ignored the little pop to the back of the head. Be the bigger man. Well , he didn't. And? Both were equally guilty and it was just some trash talk-inspired nonsense that happens sometimes. End of story. And if someone wants to debate the severity of a pop to the head vs a trip , well , I got 6 words for 'em...don't start none won't be none.
Good post. It would be nice if Grayson could read it but I'm sure someone has told him the exact same thing. OFC
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Here's what I'd tell Grayson. You'll have to deal with angry crowds directing their hatred and venom towards you for eight games. That's it. Eight games. You can't control that, but you can help shut them up by playing great ball, being a class act on and off the floor and being a leader for your team. It won't silence them entirely but if Duke is pounding them into the ground, they'll look pretty moronic if they keep shouting. Either way it's just 8 games. The rest is home games and neutral site games.
I understand the thought based on how the team looked, but I don't agree. Grayson gives us another shooter and an excellent distributor. He also brings fire.
I think the game would have been much different if Grayson was playing.
I just saw a post a friend shared from ESPN stating that Coach K has taken away Grayson's status as a team captain.
Hard to say if it had been different or not. Never know he may have come out on fire and gave Duke a great start. Oh well on to GT.
We will never know. He certainly would have helped. I don't think he could have covered all the drivers and the open 3 point shots.
I too think it would have been much different, Dbav. Just don't know if Grayson would have been enough to win. I mean our defense was porous. I can't remember a game when Duke didn't at least lead at one point (we never did)...and even though we had a couple of mini-runs to cut into the lead in the second half...we never really did threaten.
Still, we'll just never know.
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Maybe that was part of the punishment when he was suspended. I would have thought it was a no brainer if he were to be suspended losing the title of captain should go along with it. That's just my opinion and maybe one of you can change my mind about it. OFC
I think first we should start ignoring the media and Grayson haters immediately and be thankful that he is coming back eventually. Hopefully losing the title of Captain will sting Grayson even more than being suspended for a few games. Everyone knows Grayson is our best player and he will have every opportunity to show his value, appreciation to the team and his abilities as a great player hopefully after two or three more games of watching from the bench. Just imagine if you will, how his suspension and coming back from it might change the fortunes of this team. It might be the lightning and life blood we so desperately need. I mean its about all we can hope for isn't it?
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GT just offed the Heels, tall order without Grayson. I hope k's punishment/challenge of Grayson has a positive affect. I think Grayson is tough as hell on the outside but a little soft on the inside. I want to see that fire again, praying he makes it.
Not to minimize what Grayson did, but did anybody see what the Clemson football player did to the downed OSU player the other day??? He shoved his hand up his arse on camera... the video made its way on twitter and ESPN just laughingly posted it. Did anybody call for the guy to get suspended? Did ESPN hold an hour long discussion on the kid needing help? Nope. Nothing. Just another guy jabbing his fingers in another player while he's down on the field, but hey that Grayson kid needs to sit the entire season!!! What a joke.
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I'll tell ya, I'm fairly easy going, but if I had been on the receiving end of that cavity search...one of us would have ended up with a real *** kickin'. That has to be one of the most disgusting things I've seen during a sporting event.
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That's a sick individual that needs some help. There's a double standard in this country. I agree Dirt, I would have got up fighting if I was the recipient of that crap!
Here's the downside of the Grayson thing.
Right now people are calling for his head and bashing K.
Well no one got hurt and now the kid is suspended stripped of his captain spot even though he got a Tech and not one damn person got hurt.
The downside! He gets kicked off the team other schools go after him in an instant, K keeps him out for more then five games people begin to head hunt K.
I don't care that they say the ACC should step in. If that's the case then pay the players because it's a double standard for them and they get nothing in return.
I'm sorry players have done worse and we all have seen it on the court they simply don't get caught.
If people aren't happy with what K has done tell them to get off the internet out of their annylist and commentator spot and coach the kid. Oh wait they can't their job is to stay popular and appease opposing fan bases to keep their jobs!
Right now people are calling for his head and bashing K.
Well no one got hurt and now the kid is suspended stripped of his captain spot even though he got a Tech and not one damn person got hurt.
The downside! He gets kicked off the team other schools go after him in an instant, K keeps him out for more then five games people begin to head hunt K.
I don't care that they say the ACC should step in. If that's the case then pay the players because it's a double standard for them and they get nothing in return.
I'm sorry players have done worse and we all have seen it on the court they simply don't get caught.
If people aren't happy with what K has done tell them to get off the internet out of their annylist and commentator spot and coach the kid. Oh wait they can't their job is to stay popular and appease opposing fan bases to keep their jobs!