Greer

[charcat]

got to say I like the kid...kind of young but seems to have a good head on his shoulders and does not make a lot of mistakes. I hope he contributes more next season with a year of experience under his belt.

Playing in the big 10 as a freshman is tough. He and Nance will be a lot more prepared next year. Koop too

 

[torque-cat]

got to say I like the kid...kind of young but seems to have a good head on his shoulders and does not make a lot of mistakes. I hope he contributes more next season with a year of experience under his belt.

Playing in the big 10 as a freshman is tough. He and Nance will be a lot more prepared next year. Koop too

Agree, he's been a pleasant surprise which Haywood noted in the pre-season. He reminds me of Sobo but bigger and more athletic. Ironically Sobo looked tough as nails as a frosh and then really lost it somehow. Hopefully Greer will have the more conventional upward trajectory.

 

[freewillie07]

He already plays more within the offense than Isiah Brown did, and has shown more skill than a young Jordan Ash. So definitely on the right track.

That said, would not mind adding another lead guard immediately in the 2019 class to go along with Buie.

 

[EvanstonCat]

He already plays more within the offense than Isiah Brown did, and has shown more skill than a young Jordan Ash. So definitely on the right track.

That said, would not mind adding another lead guard immediately in the 2019 class to go along with Buie.

As much as I liked Brown's game, those are pretty low bars considering their contributions to the program (the Wrassler's Ashlove notwithstanding).

 

[torque-cat]

As much as I liked Brown's game, those are pretty low bars considering their contributions to the program (the Wrassler's Ashlove notwithstanding).

Fair point, let's compare him to BMac and Juice, the two best PGs since I've been following from the mid 90s.

He's got a similar skill set--poised, nice looking shot, good court awareness, plays with some moxie etc...

Compared with BMac: looks a little smaller, maybe less hops (neither jumps out the gym) and maybe not quite as good a passer or slasher early on. I think his perimeter shot looks better with a higher ceiling.

Compared with Juice: a little bigger, better defender. Big question is whether his poise and moxie can turn into the swagger that Juice played with. Juice is my favorite PG of the past 25 yrs, incredible what he was able to do as a senior with such limited physical size or athleticism.

 

[freewillie07]

As much as I liked Brown's game, those are pretty low bars considering their contributions to the program (the Wrassler's Ashlove notwithstanding).

Yes my point is he is already the best lead guard not named Bryant McIntosh that CCC has recruited.

 

[Figrating]

The way the season is going, I hope he gets more PT. Would help with the fatigue factor at the end of the games.

 

[ricko6543211]

Fair point, let's compare him to BMac and Juice, the two best PGs since I've been following from the mid 90s.

He's got a similar skill set--poised, nice looking shot, good court awareness, plays with some moxie etc...

Compared with BMac: looks a little smaller, maybe less hops (neither jumps out the gym) and maybe not quite as good a passer or slasher early on. I think his perimeter shot looks better with a higher ceiling.

Compared with Juice: a little bigger, better defender. Big question is whether his poise and moxie can turn into the swagger that Juice played with. Juice is my favorite PG of the past 25 yrs, incredible what he was able to do as a senior with such limited physical size or athleticism.

I think your comparisons are extremely complimentary toward Greer. "maybe not quite as good a passer or slasher" as BMac his freshman year?

I think he is a solid ~10 mpg role player right now, which is decent for a freshman. I hope he develops into something better. There is potential for that. He's had a few nice plays, along with his fair share of bad plays. He can set up the offense and has shown flashes of running the pick and roll. However, he hasn't shown yet much of an ability to create his own shot. Hopefully that develops. He is an average to somewhat above average defender, and I could see that improving as time goes on. Could be a good role player in the future. Don't think he will be a focal point of the offense like BMac and Juice at times, but he could solidly fill a spot on the roster.

 

[NUCat320]

Yes my point is he is already the best lead guard not named Bryant McIntosh that CCC has recruited.

One could argue that @EvanstonCat is as good as any lead guard that CCC has recruited to NU.

Brown berg clearly wasn’t a point guard - it was obvious from day one that he was sloppy with then all and looking to score first, second, and third. Fun to watch, tho, if you had Alka-Seltzer handy. Vassar was, but didn’t make it out of February and sued the school. At least @EvanstonCat’s point guard contributions are non-negative.

Upon further review, one could argue, but one would probably lose the argument.

 

[willycat]

Yes my point is he is already the best lead guard not named Bryant McIntosh that CCC has recruited.

Also just think he should still could be playing high school ball.

 

[EvanstonCat]

One could argue that @EvanstonCat is as good as any lead guard that CCC has recruited to NU.

Brown berg clearly wasn’t a point guard - it was obvious from day one that he was sloppy with then all and looking to score first, second, and third. Fun to watch, tho, if you had Alka-Seltzer handy. Vassar was, but didn’t make it out of February and sued the school. At least @EvanstonCat’s point guard contributions are non-negative.

Upon further review, one could argue, but one would probably lose the argument.

I must say when I was younger, I had some game. Never was very tall, but had some quicks, and I play some mean D. Still do. People have been posting me up all my life, and are surprised to find it ain't so easy. Because I've learned how to play that. Product of the 80's so I'm all about the hand checks. And know all the tricks you can get away with because the refs don't see (e.g. grabbing the wrists or jersey). Some of the kids born in the 90's call me dirty, but I know that's how ball used to be played and should still be played. They're just soft. Nobody gets a clean path to the basket. Not even in pick-up. It's a principle. Still play organized ball, albeit it's a rec league (the A league is too competitive, the players are too tall and athletic, and I can't keep up anymore), and I'm much slower than I used to be. The Youngbloods call me Uncle Drew. Can still heat up from three and Curry and Young have inspired me to take my game out to 30 feet. But, there's no doubt that I'm not the same player that I used to be. We all age. They say that the shooting is the last to fade, so at least I've got that.

 

[torque-cat]

I think your comparisons are extremely complimentary toward Greer. "maybe not quite as good a passer or slasher" as BMac his freshman year?

I think he is a solid ~10 mpg role player right now, which is decent for a freshman. I hope he develops into something better. There is potential for that. He's had a few nice plays, along with his fair share of bad plays. He can set up the offense and has shown flashes of running the pick and roll. However, he hasn't shown yet much of an ability to create his own shot. Hopefully that develops. He is an average to somewhat above average defender, and I could see that improving as time goes on. Could be a good role player in the future. Don't think he will be a focal point of the offense like BMac and Juice at times, but he could solidly fill a spot on the roster.

Fair enough that these are optimistic comparisons. The context is different because BMac was given the reigns and didn't have to defer to veterans or other players. Juice also had some veteran guys to integrate with but was the clear PG from day 1. Clearly as mostly a backup to date, Greer is not on their level as a frosh. But I don't think his skill set is vastly different or out of their leagues. If he works hard and continues to improve I think he could be a top third PG in the big ten as a junior/senior. I wouldn't bet on it, but his poise, confidence, shooting stroke and tough play on defense give me hope.

 

[scru]

He already plays more within the offense than Isiah Brown did, and has shown more skill than a young Jordan Ash. So definitely on the right track.

That said, would not mind adding another lead guard immediately in the 2019 class to go along with Buie.

I wouldn't clog up the roster at Lead Guard unless a true stud is available. I'd go transfer market and look to upgrade in 2020.

 

[Gladeskat]

I must say when I was younger, I had some game. Never was very tall, but had some quicks, and I play some mean D. Still do. People have been posting me up all my life, and are surprised to find it ain't so easy. Because I've learned how to play that. Product of the 80's so I'm all about the hand checks. And know all the tricks you can get away with because the refs don't see (e.g. grabbing the wrists or jersey). Some of the kids born in the 90's call me dirty, but I know that's how ball used to be played and should still be played. They're just soft. Nobody gets a clean path to the basket. Not even in pick-up. It's a principle. Still play organized ball, albeit it's a rec league (the A league is too competitive, the players are too tall and athletic, and I can't keep up anymore), and I'm much slower than I used to be. The Youngbloods call me Uncle Drew. Can still heat up from three and Curry and Young have inspired me to take my game out to 30 feet. But, there's no doubt that I'm not the same player that I used to be. We all age. They say that the shooting is the last to fade, so at least I've got that.

Drew Bundy?

 

[freewillie07]

I wouldn't clog up the roster at Lead Guard unless a true stud is available. I'd go transfer market and look to upgrade in 2020.

Collins isn’t just offering anyone, obviously. But I see no reason that NU should be afraid of playing two lead guards at once. I don’t think the “dream offense” is having a guy like BMac dribbling around and trying to do something for 20 seconds. Maybe having a second slasher/distributor would help?

 

[hdhntr1]

Yes my point is he is already the best lead guard not named Bryant McIntosh that CCC has recruited.

He is the only LG not named BMac that CCC has recruited