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Hard to see how NU can retain Collins at this point

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Medill '03

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I'm not making an argument about what the new AD should do, whether Collins deserves to say. I'm saying that I don't see how he can retain Collins. I don't know how anyone could argue that NU is a well-coached team. The pattern is clearly established by this point. The inept game management. The late-game collapses. The losing streaks. The scoring droughts. The overall lack of competitiveness in B1G play. The undeveloped talent. The lackluster incoming freshman class. I can conceive no argument for why these patterns would change under Collins. Carmody used to have defenders. It seems like fan morale has reached the point where hardly anyone even bothers to defend Collins.
 
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freewillie07

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This basketball team is FAR more competitive in Big Ten play than our football team was this season.

The problem is -- and has always been -- winning the close games.
 
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mcgurgmv

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Medill '03 said:
I'm not making an argument about what the new AD should do, whether Collins deserves to say. I'm saying that I don't see how he can retain Collins. I don't know how anyone could argue that NU is a well-coached team. The pattern is clearly established by this point. The inept game management. The late-game collapses. The losing streaks. The scoring droughts. The overall lack of competitiveness in B1G play. The undeveloped talent. The lackluster incoming freshman class. I can conceive no argument for why these patterns would change under Collins. Carmody used to have defenders. It seems like fan morale has reached the point where hardly anyone even bothers to defend Collins.
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Agreed. Nance, Beran, Kopp, and Simmons were all Top 100 recruits. Recruiting is at an all time high yet they keep losing and playing poor basketball and no one improves. Collins needs to go and they need to find a coach who can develop talent!
 
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Medill '03

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freewillie07 said:
This basketball team is FAR more competitive in Big Ten play than our football team was this season.

The problem is -- and has always been -- winning the close games.
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That’s a low bar considering the football team never had a lead except in the only game they won.
 
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freewillie07

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mcgurgmv said:
Agreed. Nance, Beran, Kopp, and Simmons were all Top 100 recruits. Recruiting is at an all time high yet they keep losing and playing poor basketball and no one improves. Collins needs to go and they need to find a coach who can develop talent!
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One of those is a true freshman. One is no longer on the team.

The other two had career highs in points tonight.

Not sure that's the best argument.
 
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Medill '03

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Medill '03 said:
I'm not making an argument about what the new AD should do, whether Collins deserves to say. I'm saying that I don't see how he can retain Collins. I don't know how anyone could argue that NU is a well-coached team. The pattern is clearly established by this point. The inept game management. The late-game collapses. The losing streaks. The scoring droughts. The overall lack of competitiveness in B1G play. The undeveloped talent. The lackluster incoming freshman class. I can conceive no argument for why these patterns would change under Collins. Carmody used to have defenders. It seems like fan morale has reached the point where hardly anyone even bothers to defend Collins.
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Also it’s a pretty obvious time to make the change with a new AD, Nance graduating, and the star recruit opting for Texas instead.
 
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mcgurgmv

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My point was we have significantly improved recruiting and we shouldn’t keep losing 10 games in a row in the Big10. This team keeps under achieving and it’s incredibly frustrating.
 
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wildcatpn

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Medill '03 said:
I'm not making an argument about what the new AD should do, whether Collins deserves to say. I'm saying that I don't see how he can retain Collins. I don't know how anyone could argue that NU is a well-coached team. The pattern is clearly established by this point. The inept game management. The late-game collapses. The losing streaks. The scoring droughts. The overall lack of competitiveness in B1G play. The undeveloped talent. The lackluster incoming freshman class. I can conceive no argument for why these patterns would change under Collins. Carmody used to have defenders. It seems like fan morale has reached the point where hardly anyone even bothers to defend Collins.
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Medill '03 said:
I'm not making an argument about what the new AD should do, whether Collins deserves to say. I'm saying that I don't see how he can retain Collins. I don't know how anyone could argue that NU is a well-coached team. The pattern is clearly established by this point. The inept game management. The late-game collapses. The losing streaks. The scoring droughts. The overall lack of competitiveness in B1G play. The undeveloped talent. The lackluster incoming freshman class. I can conceive no argument for why these patterns would change under Collins. Carmody used to have defenders. It seems like fan morale has reached the point where hardly anyone even bothers to defend Collins.
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Agree. Robbie Hummel and many other analysts who know far more about the game than most on this board say NU has more than enough talent to win in the Big 10. Yet, they just continue to lose. The more you lose the more it becomes a mentality and the more it just wears you down.

It also doesn’t help that there is zero home court advantage. No students allowed. No band. No nothing. Energy from the crowd for the home team is always worth some points. These poor guys get none of that.
 
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GeauxCatsGeaux

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mcgurgmv said:
My point was we have significantly improved recruiting and we shouldn’t keep losing 10 games in a row in the Big10. This team keeps under achieving and it’s incredibly frustrating.
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Yep. No matter how you slice it, we can't do this again.
 
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IMC Cat

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And yet, I can't see NU paying him millions upon millions to make him go away. I fear we're locked into Collins for yet another dismal season after this one.
 
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Medill '03

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IMC Cat said:
And yet, I can't see NU paying him millions upon millions to make him go away. I fear we're locked into Collins for yet another dismal season after this one.
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I don’t know his buyout, but at this point it’s just a matter of time. This season is lost and he doesn’t have help coming in.
 
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Eurocat

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freewillie07 said:
This basketball team is FAR more competitive in Big Ten play than our football team was this season.

The problem is -- and has always been -- winning the close games.
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All of our losses are by eight points or less and two are in overtime. I don't think we will get anybody better than coach Collins at this time. We have tried a coach who had 20 years of coaching large programs (Marquette, Washington and Kansas State), a Northwestern legend, a now dominant team builder, a small team overachiever, a Princeton offense disciple and now our second coach with Duke program roots.

Nothing has worked apart from a good season once ever dozen years or so. I say we keep going and hope that the oil well hits with coach C. finally.

When I was in school (80s) we lose this one by not 8 but 28.
 
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hoosboot

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Medill '03 said:
I'm not making an argument about what the new AD should do, whether Collins deserves to say. I'm saying that I don't see how he can retain Collins. I don't know how anyone could argue that NU is a well-coached team. The pattern is clearly established by this point. The inept game management. The late-game collapses. The losing streaks. The scoring droughts. The overall lack of competitiveness in B1G play. The undeveloped talent. The lackluster incoming freshman class. I can conceive no argument for why these patterns would change under Collins. Carmody used to have defenders. It seems like fan morale has reached the point where hardly anyone even bothers to defend Collins.
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Outside of straight up winning streak miracle stuff, the only way I can see it is if NU is able to steal 1 of the next 5 very tough games and then go 6-4 over the last 10. Going 8-12 in the B1G this year and finishing strong after a really tough start might give athletics the narrative to stick with CCC.

Not saying that I think this is likely to happen or that it's my opinion or anything, but I could see how it could come to pass. As always, the results on the court will decide the day.
 
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mcgurgmv

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Chris Collins is in his 9th season at Northwestern. His career record is below .500 and NU has finished 10th or worse in 8/9 years in the Big10 (and when he started the Big10 only had 12 teams not 14). No other major conference team keeps a coach with that resume even with his pedigree.
 
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Katatonic

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Eurocat said:
Nothing has worked apart from a good season once ever dozen years or so. I say we keep going and hope that the oil well hits with coach C. finally.
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Made the postseason 4 times in a row (would have been 5, but for the injury riddled 2012 team).

Aside from that Tourney run, the program has regressed back to maybe making the NIT with an upperclass-laden team with 3-4 years of losing in between.
 
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Sec_112

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IMC Cat said:
And yet, I can't see NU paying him millions upon millions to make him go away. I fear we're locked into Collins for yet another dismal season after this one.
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Gragg HAD to have to some clarification on this when he was negotiating. If he didn't, he should be fired also.
 
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