Hate to say it but don’t recruit injuries

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I think UK, in all sports, should not recruit players with pre existing injury problems. MBB, WBB. Football and Baseball all have suffered. In recent years UK deals with it in all sports. Just a couple have resolved problems. Overall not seeing a benefit. Frustrating.
CMP dealing with complications and unable to get any rhythm over the last 2 seasons. Feel bad for him.
 

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I think UK, in all sports, should not recruit players with pre existing injury problems. MBB, WBB. Football and Baseball all have suffered. In recent years UK deals with it in all sports. Just a couple have resolved problems. Overall not seeing a benefit. Frustrating.
CMP dealing with complications and unable to get any rhythm over the last 2 seasons. Feel bad for him.
at the time jq committed we needed jq in a bad way, especially since dent and yaxel committed elsewhere so he had to get a big name quick
 

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I don't think Butler or Lowe had any injury histories. Quaintance did, but we had two 7 foot McD AAs who should have been able to hold down the fort. It's an overall recruiting/talent evaluation issue.
Most of it is just bad luck for sure. I question giving JQ a huge contract coming back from a surgery like that so quickly though. We all knew Garrison wasn’t capable of being a big time player and Moreno has played well but he’s a freshman too and not AD level.
 

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Just a disasterous recruiting year.
Out of 10 newcomers only one has met or exceeded expectations and that's Moreno.
Expectations vs. performance
Moreno - At or slightly above.
Jasper - Well below
Lowe- Well below(with injury)
JQ- Well below( if injury lingers)
Mo- Below
Aberdeen - Below
Kam - Average to slightly below
Jelly- below
Hawthorne - incomplete
Potter- incomplete
 
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While I agree with your general sentiment OP, the injury Lowe had did not have any shoulder injury history before this year. It really is just buzzards luck. Butler? No shoulder injury before UK. Just buzzards luck. Kerr Kriisa chasing down a layup on breakaway? Freak injury. Buzzards luck.

Did Louisville do anything wrong by picking up Mikel Brown? No. And most of our fans were jealous of him. He’s injured and the Cards are suffering heavily.

Should we have avoided injury-prone Nerlens Noel? Willie Cauley-Stein? Sam Bowie? Keith Bogans? Rick Robey? Jodie Meeks? Alex Poythress? Jarred Vanderbilt? P.J. Washington? TyTy Washington? Hamidou Diallo? Oscar Tshiebwe? Aaron Bradshaw? Rodney Dent? Jeff Brassow?

^ I used this list intentionally to point out something. These players had varying degrees of injury histories, various body types, various injury types and various injury severities. They happened to get hurt, many of them at the most inopportune times. I agree we need to be mindful about injury histories and I would certainly be good with avoiding the obvious ones but I also think it’s okay to acknowledge sometimes luck is involved with these things.
 

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Just a disasterous recruiting year.
Out of 10 newcomers only one has met or exceeded expectations and that's Moreno.
Expectations vs. performance
Moreno - At or slightly above.
Jasper - Well below
Lowe- Well below(with injury)
JQ- Well below( if injury lingers)
Mo- Below
Aberdeen - Below
Kam - Average to slightly below
Jelly- below
Hawthorne - incomplete
Potter- incomplete
This season and Popes catastrophic bumble in the portal will have lingering effects moving forward. No elite player is going to want to come here (unless he’s way overpaid) to play limited minutes and have his career stunted by a coach who’s in over his head. Very frustrating
 

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Haha, the way Pope’s recruiting is going, and spoiler alert, it’s going to get exponentially worse if he’s at UK in ‘26-‘27, he’s going to have to sign quadriplegics to fill out the roster!

You can kiss the overrated JQ’s and Lowe’s of the basketball world, goodbye 👋🏻
 
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Just a disasterous recruiting year.
Out of 10 newcomers only one has met or exceeded expectations and that's Moreno.
Expectations vs. performance
Moreno - At or slightly above.
Jasper - Well below
Lowe- Well below(with injury)
JQ- Well below( if injury lingers)
Mo- Below
Aberdeen - Below
Kam - Average to slightly below
Jelly- below
Hawthorne - incomplete
Potter- incomplete
Goes back to recruiting misses and talent evaluation
 
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bnewt

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Goes back to recruiting misses and talent evaluation
totaly agree
if you want an open floor, why recruit guys that can't handle the ball or shoot
If the 5 million $ figure is correct for JQ, then that is just bad business
you don't pay inflated prices for damaged goods
would anyone pay sticker prices for a rebuilt auto........not a chance
 

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at the time jq committed we needed jq in a bad way, especially since dent and yaxel committed elsewhere so he had to get a big name quick
Getting a big name who is extremely raw and wouldn’t be ready to play until conference play was a huge mistake.

If he were going to come back for another year it wouldn’t be a bad idea. But Pope knew he was going to be half and done.
 

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Getting a big name who is extremely raw and wouldn’t be ready to play until conference play was a huge mistake.

If he were going to come back for another year it wouldn’t be a bad idea. But Pope knew he was going to be half and done.
he had to take that gamble though, beacuse withiut jq the portal class wouldve been underwhelming
 

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totaly agree
if you want an open floor, why recruit guys that can't handle the ball or shoot
If the 5 million $ figure is correct for JQ, then that is just bad business
you don't pay inflated prices for damaged goods
would anyone pay sticker prices for a rebuilt auto........not a chance
Supposedly JQ is around 2 mil which has him in the top 10 in CBB.
AJ is #1 at 4.4m.
 
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Have said this in other threads.

Cannot do it in this modern era. Especially upperclassmen and NBA talent.

Too much at stake. Money obviously, but the team cohesion/chemistry thing as well.

In the past if a high schooler or even freshman or sophomore transfer is inured, no big. Red shirt, they’re around for 2-3 more years.

Can’t have guys come in, take a big chunk of NIL, not play part of the season then hit the portal or the draft.
 

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Most of it is just bad luck for sure. I question giving JQ a huge contract coming back from a surgery like that so quickly though. We all knew Garrison wasn’t capable of being a big time player and Moreno has played well but he’s a freshman too and not AD level.
Man you gotta not sign JQ and somebody else and go get Caleb Wilson or somebody. Pope should have overpaid for better players. He overpaid regardless so why not get the ones worth it.
 

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If I knew I had no shot at the league as a pg I would get a splinter and say I’m having surgery when I use tweezers to remove it and gain a extra year of eligibility when they are passing money around in college. Lowe is probably praying Pope don’t get fired so he can finesse millions out of Kentucky like he did this year.

We thought Cal and his players held the program hostage 😂😂😂Pope is turning us into a Joke.
 
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I agree, especially if we are giving them millions of dollars. We can't have another JQ in the future.
 
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If I knew I had no shot at the league as a pg I would get a splinter and say I’m having surgery when I use tweezers to remove it and gain a extra year of eligibility when they are passing money around in college. Lowe is probably praying that Pope don’t get fired so he can finesse millions out of Kentucky like he did this year.

We thought Cal and his players held the program hostage 😂😂😂Pope is turning us into a Joke.
You don’t think this is a bit unfair toward a player who played after three separate shoulder separations? You think he had the restrictive shoulder brace on for a fashion choice?
 

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You don’t think this is a bit unfair toward a player who played after three separate shoulder separations? You think he had the restrictive shoulder brace on for a fashion choice?
Possibly. Yea little bit unfair to say that. Halfway talking out the side of my mouth. I can’t say he’s faking or over exaggerating an injury. But I can say he’s the biggest disappointment on this team injury or not.


To have a chance at basketball you have to have a good point guard. Helps to have several good guards. Most blue bloods have 3-4-5 good guards. We have none.


Yea these players are getting the **** end of the stick because of the way they have played the is year. And besides the losses… just the energy alone. The vibe of this team just flat out stinks.
 
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Possibly. Yea little bit unfair to say that. Halfway talking out the side of my mouth. I can’t say he’s faking or over exaggerating an injury. But I can say he’s the biggest disappointment on this team injury or not.


To have a chance at basketball you have to have a good point guard. Helps to have several good guards. Most blue bloods have 3-4-5 good guards. We have none.


Yea these players are getting the **** end of the stick because of the way they have played the is year. And besides the losses… just the energy alone. The vibe of this team just flat out stinks.
We never got to see healthy Lowe and it’s very possible we never will. I agree the 35% FG shell of Lowe we saw this year wasn’t good for the most part. I think he gave it all he had up to a point and then third shoulder separation— you’re right at the cutoff for eligibility. Ya decide to go for the medical RS and I think the kid earned it. He wasn’t going to get any better. Team’s gotta rally from here as a unit.
 

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While I agree with your general sentiment OP, the injury Lowe had did not have any shoulder injury history before this year. It really is just buzzards luck. Butler? No shoulder injury before UK. Just buzzards luck. Kerr Kriisa chasing down a layup on breakaway? Freak injury. Buzzards luck.

Did Louisville do anything wrong by picking up Mikel Brown? No. And most of our fans were jealous of him. He’s injured and the Cards are suffering heavily.

Should we have avoided injury-prone Nerlens Noel? Willie Cauley-Stein? Sam Bowie? Keith Bogans? Rick Robey? Jodie Meeks? Alex Poythress? Jarred Vanderbilt? P.J. Washington? TyTy Washington? Hamidou Diallo? Oscar Tshiebwe? Aaron Bradshaw? Rodney Dent? Jeff Brassow?

^ I used this list intentionally to point out something. These players had varying degrees of injury histories, various body types, various injury types and various injury severities. They happened to get hurt, many of them at the most inopportune times. I agree we need to be mindful about injury histories and I would certainly be good with avoiding the obvious ones but I also think it’s okay to acknowledge sometimes luck is involved with these things.
Great list! You forgot the biggest of them all, IMO, Derek Anderson! Ugh!
 

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The fear about recruiting is totally overrated. The portal is where it's at. You can get seasoned talent, not just talent. High school players have proven to be a risky proposition no matter how highly touted. Why not just recruit the portal every year and get PROVEN talent? I think if Pope strikes out in the portal then we can absolutely panic.
 

bnewt

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We never got to see healthy Lowe and it’s very possible we never will. I agree the 35% FG shell of Lowe we saw this year wasn’t good for the most part. I think he gave it all he had up to a point and then third shoulder separation— you’re right at the cutoff for eligibility. Ya decide to go for the medical RS and I think the kid earned it. He wasn’t going to get any better. Team’s gotta rally from here as a unit.
the injury hasn't given the fans a chance to see him at his best. Like many, I was never that excited about his signing. He was 2nd team all ACC in a very weak year. He can't shoot and isn't elite at anything else. Then again Pope had to have someone to play point guard.

The biggest disappointment is Mo D and it isn't' even close. Can't shoot, not elite rebounder, not elite hustle guy, just a very questionable pick up as was Cam Williams. Shooters were needed and none were signed
 

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Man you gotta not sign JQ and somebody else and go get Caleb Wilson or somebody. Pope should have overpaid for better players. He overpaid regardless so why not get the ones worth it.
I think some of us might be asking for too much from Pope. He’s clearly trying, but no one is biting. When no one is biting, the role players see blood in the water and see Kentucky as a way to get paid more as our coach becomes desperate for any win.
 
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I think UK, in all sports, should not recruit players with pre existing injury problems. MBB, WBB. Football and Baseball all have suffered. In recent years UK deals with it in all sports. Just a couple have resolved problems. Overall not seeing a benefit. Frustrating.
CMP dealing with complications and unable to get any rhythm over the last 2 seasons. Feel bad for him.
Not when there is a cost to get them here to play ... !!
 

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There was some risk with JQ's knee. But we had two Mcdonald's All-American's as backup options. I'm fine with going after a guy like that for the upside in the event things go your way.

Lowe didn't have a pre-existing shoulder injury.
Butler didn't have a pre-existing shoulder injury.
Kriisa didn't have a pre-existing foot injury.
Robinson didn't have a pre-existing hand/wrist injury.

Some of these are truly just happenings and bad luck. If you play fantasy football, there's always the risk about whether or not guys are truly injury prone. Different soft tissue injuruies don't necessarily mean a guy is prone. Sports lead to injuries. Some guys get bad luck, some guys get good luck.

The same iinjury over and over or a chronic/degenerative condition are the things that make you considered "prone" to injuries or recurrence.
 
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There was some risk with JQ's knee. But we had two Mcdonald's All-American's as backup options. I'm fine with going after a guy like that for the upside in the event things go your way.

Lowe didn't have a pre-existing shoulder injury.
Butler didn't have a pre-existing shoulder injury.
Kriisa didn't have a pre-existing foot injury.
Robinson didn't have a pre-existing hand/wrist injury.

Some of these are truly just happenings and bad luck. If you play fantasy football, there's always the risk about whether or not guys are truly injury prone. Different soft tissue injuruies don't necessarily mean a guy is prone. Sports lead to injuries. Some guys get bad luck, some guys get good luck.

The same iinjury over and over or a chronic/degenerative condition are the things that make you considered "prone" to injuries or recurrence.
Mark Pope has signed four point guards as coach at Kentucky. He’s going to end year two with having been able to finish the year with only one of them making it to the end, Lamont Butler, and he was piecemailed back together after shoulder injuries himself. It’s just AWFUL luck that we have had.
 
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Just a disasterous recruiting year.
Out of 10 newcomers only one has met or exceeded expectations and that's Moreno.
Expectations vs. performance
Moreno - At or slightly above.
Jasper - Well below
Lowe- Well below(with injury)
JQ- Well below( if injury lingers)
Mo- Below
Aberdeen - Below
Kam - Average to slightly below
Jelly- below
Hawthorne - incomplete
Potter- incomplete
JQ and Lowe have been the biggest difference makers.
 
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Very good one. Also, Jason Parker. Dwight Anderson. There’s a ton. I tried to include as many different body types as I could, coz there are some ideas that it is certain types of guys who have all the injuries and let’s just avoid those.
Yes! Damn, Jason Parker! Dude was an absolute MAN! I hated seeing him leave UK. He got injured in the damn locker room before Madness! I’ll never forget that! That was the beginning of the “team turmoi”, in 2001-02.
 
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Yes! Damn, Jason Parker! Dude was an absolute MAN! I hated seeing him leave UK. He got injured in the damn locker room before Madness! I’ll never forget that! That was the beginning of the “team turmoi”, in 2001-02.
That team was set to be so good. Still don’t know what happened to Bogans that year. He stunk all season.
 
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I think some of us might be asking for too much from Pope. He’s clearly trying, but no one is biting. When no one is biting, the role players see blood in the water and see Kentucky as a way to get paid more as our coach becomes desperate for any win.
No doubt but at the same time does a whole program and fan base have to go downhill just because we’ve somehow gotten to a point where it’s ok to not be qualified for the job and it’s ok just because he’s trying. He cares. I really don’t want to keep bashing Pope but I care more about Kentucky than just Pope. I want him to succeed. He’s not so far imo.
 
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No doubt but at the same time does a whole program and fan base have to go downhill just because we’ve somehow gotten to a point where it’s ok to not be qualified for the job and it’s ok just because he’s trying. He cares. I really don’t want to keep bashing Pope but I care more about Kentucky than just Pope. I want him to succeed. He’s not so far imo.
You don’t have to divorce one from the other. It can be both. Don’t believe the narrative that you have to choose between a coach and the program.

Ultimately, how you fan is up to you.
 
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The fear about recruiting is totally overrated. The portal is where it's at. You can get seasoned talent, not just talent. High school players have proven to be a risky proposition no matter how highly touted. Why not just recruit the portal every year and get PROVEN talent? I think if Pope strikes out in the portal then we can absolutely panic.
This! Don’t get me wrong, I would still like to have an elite freshman or two. However, it’s very difficult to say a freshman is gonna be elite at the college level, having never played a game. We’ve all been witnesses to that.

We SHOULD be able to retain several players from this roster. Not to mention, BH and Potter are both redshirting, by all accounts. I would imagine we should be able to retain seven, maybe eight guys off this roster. Don’t care where Garrison, Mo and Lowe go to be honest. Would rather have Lowe out of that group, only if he can stay healthy and if he’s coming off the bench.

Pope will most likely only need to add 3/4 players to next year’s roster. We can definitely find said pieces via the portal IMO. There’s a plethora of programs that are solid winners that almost exclusively recruit the transfer portal.
 
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You don’t have to divorce one from the other. It can be both. Don’t believe the narrative that you have to choose between a coach and the program.

Ultimately, how you fan is up to you.
Yea it’s been bad and not looking great for the future. I’m talking about Pope. Not the players. These players might get it together and win a few games and go on a magical run in the tournament. I feel like Pope has to go before people are saying I wish we were Indiana. We are gonna fall farther than Indiana ever imagined in this new college landscape.

How some are still trying to give him passes are crazy to me. But like you said we can all fan how we want.
 
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This! Don’t get me wrong, I would still like to have an elite freshman or two. However, it’s very difficult to say a freshman is gonna be elite at the college level, having never played a game. We’ve all been witnesses to that.

We SHOULD be able to retain several players from this roster. Not to mention, BH and Potter are both redshirting, by all accounts. I would imagine we should be able to retain seven, maybe eight guys off this roster. Don’t care where Garrison, Mo and Lowe go to be honest. Would rather have Lowe out of that group, only if he can stay healthy and if he’s coming off the bench.

Pope will most likely only need to add 3/4 players to next year’s roster. We can definitely find said pieces via the portal IMO. There’s a plethora of programs that are solid winners that almost exclusively recruit the transfer portal.
Yea the portal is nice. Maybe Pope goes crazy this summer and changes the whole narrative about himself. That’s about the only way I’ll get back on board. But then again I don’t think I will because as much as I love Kentucky I’m finding it extremely hard to get behind a culture of softness.
 
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Yea it’s been bad and not looking great for the future. I’m talking about Pope. Not the players. These players might get it together and win a few games and go on a magical run in the tournament. I feel like Pope has to go before people are saying I wish we were Indiana. We are gonna fall farther than Indiana ever imagined in this new college landscape.

How some are still trying to give him passes are crazy to me. But like you said we can all fan how we want.
My personal beliefs:

- No coach should get a pass for a season this bad
- No coach’s work should be disregarded

I was on this website throughout the season last year and the summer before this season. Very, very few people were pessimistic about Pope as a coach going into the year — most of everyone was in agreement that he exceeded expectations in year one.

Remember that was a team that was preseason #23 when fully healthy and a projected 8 seed I believe according to Bracketology preseason. He got us to a Sweet 16 and a three seed in year one. He’s proven he can coach. Was it perfect? No. Did he answer every question? No. It was good. Year Two it seems like he’s done an almost unfathomably bad job. Both are true— good year one, stunk year two. Anyone saying you have to jump off the cliff aren’t being reasonable and anyone saying you have to declare Pope as the next Rupp (something I thought last season lol) aren’t being reasonable. None of us have a crystal ball — tonight we could lose and we are all asking for this man to be placed on the guillotine or we rattle off some wins and things settle down. Even the “smartest” of internet fans are just that — we are just fans. You can write an entire book of the dumbest **** ever said about basketball from my comments alone. I hate the idea that people feel the pressure to agree with extreme stuff coz I’ve felt the pressure. On the other hand, you have people like Ortho who felt the pressure to agree with the hiring of Pope. Neither are fair and I’m willing to intentionally be the pro-Pope guy despite my own reservations — if nothing else to bring balance to the force on here.
 

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This! Don’t get me wrong, I would still like to have an elite freshman or two. However, it’s very difficult to say a freshman is gonna be elite at the college level, having never played a game. We’ve all been witnesses to that.

We SHOULD be able to retain several players from this roster. Not to mention, BH and Potter are both redshirting, by all accounts. I would imagine we should be able to retain seven, maybe eight guys off this roster. Don’t care where Garrison, Mo and Lowe go to be honest. Would rather have Lowe out of that group, only if he can stay healthy and if he’s coming off the bench.

Pope will most likely only need to add 3/4 players to next year’s roster. We can definitely find said pieces via the portal IMO. There’s a plethora of programs that are solid winners that almost exclusively recruit the transfer portal.


Yeah it just makes sense. Even Pitino has publicly said he is leaning heavily on the portal and minimizing traditional high-school recruiting in his current approach. You trust film of high school phenoms against AAU defenses, or film of a formidable collegiate scorer against power 4 competition? I think the answer is easy.