Hillary and her emails

[bamaEER]

So....what did she violate exactly?

"President Barack Obama signed a bill last year that bans the use of private email accounts by government officials unless they retain copies of messages in their official account or forward copies to their government accounts within 20 days. The bill did not become law until more than one year after Clinton left the State Department"

 

[WVUBRU]

I will let those in the know (that eliminates the wingnuts here and the idiots that they follow in order to get all their BS) to make the legal determination of what she violated if anything. That isn't my problem with this issue. Even the most low level individual that works in a slightly confidential organization understands the basic concept of communication protocol and security. Not having the foresight or understanding or possibly the total lack of regard as it pertains to this simple fundamental in the role of Sec of State is beyond my comprehension of believing. But it shows something about the individual that is not appealing to me.

I'm not saying that come the time to vote in a primary or the general election, this action rules out my ability to vote for her. I have no clue who I will vote for at this time. I will wait much longer before even thinking about that personal responsibility of voting. But this is a character issue that is very unattractive for me regardless what the "law" may state in a formal manner.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

Originally posted by WVUBRU:
Even the most low level individual that works in a slightly confidential organization understands the basic concept of communication protocol and security. Not having the foresight or understanding or possibly the total lack of regard as it pertains to this simple fundamental in the role of Sec of State is beyond my comprehension of believing. But it shows something about the individual that is not appealing to me.

That sums up my position exactly.

 

[bornaneer]

So who are you leaning toward for the Dem nomination? I don't see

anyone who can match her resources ( money and media).

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

WhiteTail, from the link you provided in the other thread, it appears to me that she thought through the security issues pretty well. No one ever hacked her accounts. I'm by no means an expert, but it sounds to me the security of the server(s) she used were equal in security to government servers.

 

[bamaEER]

No doubt....

I have a role in NY state and I occasionally am not very popular among certain NYers. Hillary tried to make an example of us (me and my state counterparts in Great Lakes States) via her staff when she was a senator. Lots of arm waving ensued. In the end we were right and her staff backed off. Hillary's successor Kristen Gillibrand, on the other hand conducts business like this via inquiry and doesn't make a commotion for all to see. Hillary is a politician where Gillibrand is a problem solver.

So, I'm no fan of Hillary and am absolutely not surprised by the email affair.

I still don't think this will affect her campaign.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

Originally posted by countryroads89:

WhiteTail, from the link you provided in the other thread, it appears to me that she thought through the security issues pretty well. No one ever hacked her accounts. I'm by no means an expert, but it sounds to me the security of the server(s) she used were equal in security to government servers.

I agree with the first part, it does seem as if she was reasonably secure, and it also seems that she has turned over the emails.

I disagree that the security on her servers would have been equal to the government servers. To begin with, the government has their own networks with ACLs in Firewalls between the government networks and the open internet. The government systems also have Security Technical Installation Guide, guidelines for the systems on their networks. These STIGs contain any number of modifications to commercial applications and operating systems to make them more secure.

The government system would also have other firewalls within that specific system, independent of the security precautions between the government network and the open internet. That system would also have any number of intrusion protection or intrusion detection devices on it as well.

The government system would also require some kind of token for access, instead of just a username and password. It might be biometrics as well as a PIN or a card and card reader system with a PIN. So it wouldn't be just something entered into a keyboard, it would involve some kind of physical authentication as well as a PIN or password.

Maybe she had all of that in place for her server. I doubt it though, but I also wouldn't expect an article like the one I linked to go into all of those kinds of details.

 

[Popeer]

Since I work at State, I can address some of your statements. Our closed network does indeed have a pretty impressive set of security protocols -- so secure that it's all but impossible to do much meaningful business via e-mail.

That said, it wasn't so secure it couldn't be hacked. Somebody got into it last fall and we were in turmoil for weeks.

As for access, if Hillary had a Department-issue Blackberry she would have accessed her State e-mail using only her User ID and password, just as we do at our desks. We only use RSA devices for other remote access -- I don't carry a Blackberry, so I have an RSA token to access my State e-mail from my home desktop and my Department-issue iPad. There was a grand plan years ago to connect card readers to our desktops and have us log in using our State Department badge, but after months of testing it was abandoned.

Lost in all the furor is the fact that both Condi Rice and Colin Powell used personal e-mail during their time at State (although both did at least have .gov accounts set up), so all of this circles back to one issue: Benghazi. This all started when Darrell Issa once again demanded to see everything she ever wrote about the incident -- not satisfied with the hundreds of documents already provided. He's so determined to find or manufacture some smoking gun that if he could find a way to pin the blame for starting the fire that killed Chris Stevens on her, he would.

Also lost is the fact that Hillary is the only former Secretary to grant State's request for e-mails from her time at State. The Department asked the four former secretaries who had e-mail to "donate" their e-mails for archival purposes, and so far none of the others has done so.


This post was edited on 3/5 10:23 AM by Popeer