How can we get the NBA to change the one and done rule and should we?

[McCantsTranscript]

Thoughts?

I would really prefer a baseball type rule. I'm tired of the best talent in college basketball bouncing after a year.

 

[dukiejay]

There is no way. The NBA doesn't care about the rule and they hold the power over the NCAA. We're stuck.

 

[sheyduke]

For me, I'd rather the one and dones go straight out of high school. To me if they fail making the league they can look at their handlers, agents and inner circle.
I don't believe in stopping anyone from earning a living, however I think today's youth are only looking at the money aspect and not the over all picture. Meaning the business side.
School just isn't for everybody so I don't believe you should make a kid stay for "X" amount of years.

 

[pisgah101]

college might not could "change" it but they could put things in place to hinder it

 

[2 skerz 3_rivals208847]

Thoughts?

I would really prefer a baseball type rule. I'm tired of the best talent in college basketball bouncing after a year.

Not sure, but I gave you your first like simply because your username is awesome!

 

[jamsession3]

The NBA needs an evaluation system and it is considered the 'one year' is just that. For those who can not 'qualify' and do one year overseas, there are other unforeseen circumstances.

I believe it will soon turn into two years or kids will be forced to go overseas. Either way, the NBA will win in the end.

For those who took the route and played overseas for a year, I've yet to see that transform into success.

 

[IPSYCHOSIS]

Just change the age to 21 ...and don't get into anything else ..

 

[YourPublicEnemy]

The NBA needs an evaluation system and it is considered the 'one year' is just that. For those who can not 'qualify' and do one year overseas, there are other unforeseen circumstances.

I believe it will soon turn into two years or kids will be forced to go overseas. Either way, the NBA will win in the end.

For those who took the route and played overseas for a year, I've yet to see that transform into success.

I know Brandon Jennings was miserable over there. Emmanuel Mudlay did it and is averaging about 10 a game.

 

[jamsession3]

Just change the age to 21 ...and don't get into anything else ..

20?

 

[jamsession3]

I know Brandon Jennings was miserable over there. Emmanuel Mudlay did it and is averaging about 10 a game.

Denver is fed up with Mudlay.

 

[IPSYCHOSIS]

Or make all hs athetes draft eligible ..if they don't get drafted they got to go to school 3 years and get took kinda like baseball when the team feels they're ready lol instead of d league they could be getting an education while getting better idk lol ..something needs to change and not just because we want to have them ..a lot of reasons I don't have time to give...everything is all about money these dats

 

[topps coach]

college might not could "change" it but they could put things in place to hinder it

Not arguing but what controls could the NCAA put in place ?

 

[pisgah101]

Not arguing but what controls could the NCAA put in place ?

I think they should get a commitment from the player. Use your full scholarship or a minimum 3 years or pay back the stay. Obviously that wouldn't be a hinderance to say a lotto pick but some others might not want to do that. And I know private school/public school could make players want to go to a cheaper place so you could have a flat rate. 20,000-25,000 per year if you left before 3. And you wouldn't have the option to finish the degree at that school on there dime

Would that prevent it no not always but it could be a start

 

[TRU CANE]

I think they should get a commitment from the player. Use your full scholarship or a minimum 3 years or pay back the stay. Obviously that wouldn't be a hinderance to say a lotto pick but some others might not want to do that. And I know private school/public school could make players want to go to a cheaper place so you could have a flat rate. 20,000-25,000 per year if you left before 3. And you wouldn't have the option to finish the degree at that school on there dime

Would that prevent it no not always but it could be a start

I was going to say this. Make players sign a two year commitment. If they don't fulfill their two year commitment, then they are obligated to pay the amount for their scholarship.

 

[DevilDJ]

The NBA already has a league in place to accept kids who wanna be OAD. They may need to add a franchise or two to accomodate more players but such a system has served MLB just fine for a hundred years. And , no , I don't care if the college game is "watered down" talent-wise because kids can go straight to work. Duke ( and others ) would still get the best of the rest. ALL THAT SAID , I do realize that few if any of us were complaining when #5 went up. Like anything else...ya love it when it works you're less-enamored of it when it doesn't. Ya can't just stop recruiting the best players available.

 

[dukephysics]

I also like the baseball model. However, I'm surprised it is allowed. The NFL got sued by Maurice Clarett because they wouldn't allow him to go to the NFL after 2 years out of high school. I believe the NFL won on the grounds of safety. Otherwise, the pro leagues essentially have a monopoly (anti-trust laws aside) and shouldn't be allowed to keep people out based on things like age. Having a standard where you can go up front or after some period (like is done with baseball) seems to me to be hard to argue on the grounds of safety. I'm really surprised this hasn't been disallowed in court.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/24/s...rust-clarett-sues-nfl-to-enter-its-draft.html

 

[denverexpat]

At 18 you can leave school and enter the workforce....of course its dependent on your skill etc..many of today's successful businessmen didnt go to college and many from the past didnt either. Why is professional basketball different? Football has the physicality argument but you can leave school and play Baseball, Hockey, Soccer and any number of sports and make that your living...or try to....at 18, sometimes younger.
Basketball shouldnt be any different - to me it screams for someone to challenge the rule in the courts. Discrimination by age is laughable....maybe I've missed some legislation along the way but i dont think you could get away with an age limit elsewhere...at 18 you are a legal adult so should be allowed to choose your own path.

So....let them go to the NBA if they want, if they fail its on them and their advisors. The NBA can send the message via the draft by either drafting or not drafting players at 18

Overall i think it would improve the college game and natural consequences will take over and we will see if in fact 18 yo's are NBA ready any more than they are at 19 after 1 year of college.

 

[tarh33ls]

An idea being thrown around is to make those who jump straight into the NBA play for two years in the D-league before being able to play in the NBA. Still earning a salary, albeit not the riches the current rookies see today. The NBA is getting some backlash with the one and done because the pro product has suffered and become more diluted. These kids shouldn't be forced to attend college if they won't want to and wouldn't otherwise even get in. Rule should be changed.

 

[sheyduke]

Just change the age to 21 ...and don't get into anything else ..

I actually like this. And I would like to see them enrolled in some type of buisness class to plan for their future and they atleast in most cases get an associate degree.

 

[HonkeyT]

It sucks. We don't get to see college kids build a legacy anymore and then keep that legacy going during an NBA career. Seeing a kid make their mark in college over a 3 or 4 year career and then taking it to the NBA was cool. It's a joke now. I know some won't agree but I think under developed boys going into the league has hurt the NBA product in my opinion. You have above average players going to be HOFers one day. Man times have changed. Where is McFly's Delorean so I can go back in time and watch men play a physical game of Basketball instead of shooting 30+ 3's a game....weak.

 

[sheyduke]

An idea being thrown around is to make those who jump straight into the NBA play for two years in the D-league before being able to play in the NBA. Still earning a salary, albeit not the riches the current rookies see today. The NBA is getting some backlash with the one and done because the pro product has suffered and become more diluted. These kids shouldn't be forced to attend college if they won't want to and wouldn't otherwise even get in. Rule should be changed.

I would actually like to see how it has become more dilouted with the one and done rule. A lot of the players don't like it and I agree it does force veterans back while they pretty much see what these kids can do.
By the statement backlash, one would think they would still get it if allowed out of high school to enter so I don't see them stepping away from the one and done.

 

[topps coach]

I was going to say this. Make players sign a two year commitment. If they don't fulfill their two year commitment, then they are obligated to pay the amount for their scholarship.

You are asking players to commit for two years while the scholarship is only guaranteed for one year. Does not seem quite fair to me

 

[tarh33ls]

I would actually like to see how it has become more dilouted with the one and done rule. A lot of the players don't like it and I agree it does force veterans back while they pretty much see what these kids can do.
By the statement backlash, one would think they would still get it if allowed out of high school to enter so I don't see them stepping away from the one and done.

The show that TMac is on was discussing it and they said generally the level of play is lower, guys lack fundamentals, lack of maturity as well. I mean TMac came out of high school so maybe he wishes he could have done it differently or just realizes how little he knew at the time? The d league isn't a bad option, they can still earn money, stay in NA and it could operate akin to how farm teams operate in other major sports.

 

[tarh33ls]

I was going to say this. Make players sign a two year commitment. If they don't fulfill their two year commitment, then they are obligated to pay the amount for their scholarship.

I don't think this solves the problem though because the kids who leave normally have a very high probability of being drafted in the 1st round. That 50k will be akin to a one year fine for leaving school early, it would just be the one and done rule with a fine.

 

[sheyduke]

The show that TMac is on was discussing it and they said generally the level of play is lower, guys lack fundamentals, lack of maturity as well. I mean TMac came out of high school so maybe he wishes he could have done it differently or just realizes how little he knew at the time? The d league isn't a bad option, they can still earn money, stay in NA and it could operate akin to how farm teams operate in other major sports.

TMac would probably be a good example of how not to stay healthy in the league but I could see him trying to show the down fall of not being in the proper shape and ready to compete physically for 82 games coming out of high school or one year of college.
But this isn't the same league he played in. More shooters then players who attack the rim and bigs that play back to the basket.

 

[IPSYCHOSIS]

At 18 you can leave school and enter the workforce....of course its dependent on your skill etc..many of today's successful businessmen didnt go to college and many from the past didnt either. Why is professional basketball different? Football has the physicality argument but you can leave school and play Baseball, Hockey, Soccer and any number of sports and make that your living...or try to....at 18, sometimes younger.
Basketball shouldnt be any different - to me it screams for someone to challenge the rule in the courts. Discrimination by age is laughable....maybe I've missed some legislation along the way but i dont think you could get away with an age limit elsewhere...at 18 you are a legal adult so should be allowed to choose your own path.

So....let them go to the NBA if they want, if they fail its on them and their advisors. The NBA can send the message via the draft by either drafting or not drafting players at 18

Overall i think it would improve the college game and natural consequences will take over and we will see if in fact 18 yo's are NBA ready any more than they are at 19 after 1 year of college.

So ys the drinking limit 21 lol..imo if u can go shoot people across the seas you should be able to drink at 18 ...so just saying it could be done

 

[poppycat]

I was going to say this. Make players sign a two year commitment. If they don't fulfill their two year commitment, then they are obligated to pay the amount for their scholarship.

WOW..that would really deter those OADs, having to give back 50k?
after they sign for 3-6 mil per year.
Maybe they could be sued for breach of contract.

Why not a silent verbal among coaches to not recruit any Mickey Dees?

 

[Dattier]

From a fan's perspective, the only valid objection to the OAD rule is that it creates so much discontinuity in the college game.
The only valid objection to the none-and-done is that lots of high school kids make worse decisions than if they go to college for a year.
I also get impatient when people say they want a rule LIKE the baseball rule... then copy the exact baseball rule of none-or-3. "Like" should mean it's of similar structure, not exact.

Personally, I think a none-or-2 rule would be best b/c it would allow the best option for players like Anthony Davis and Kevin Durant, but it would be less disruptive to cbb, and it would require at least 3 semesters of taking classes seriously, as opposed to just 1. It would need to be paired w/ a beefed-up NBDL for the guys who would still make bad decisions.

 

[tarh33ls]

From a fan's perspective, the only valid objection to the OAD rule is that it creates so much discontinuity in the college game.
The only valid objection to the none-and-done is that lots of high school kids make worse decisions than if they go to college for a year.
I also get impatient when people say they want a rule LIKE the baseball rule... then copy the exact baseball rule of none-or-3. "Like" should mean it's of similar structure, not exact.

Personally, I think a none-or-2 rule would be best b/c it would allow the best option for players like Anthony Davis and Kevin Durant, but it would be less disruptive to cbb, and it would require at least 3 semesters of taking classes seriously, as opposed to just 1. It would need to be paired w/ a beefed-up NBDL for the guys who would still make bad decisions.

I understand this but what constrains the kid to stay for the second year? Is he deemed ineligible for the NBA if he chooses to leave school after only one season? That would take some real balls by the NBA and NCAA and I hope that they would see the merit in doing this. I could see something like 2 years in college or 2 years in the NBDL, make your choice. The kids who jump early get paid in the NBDL (at a lower rate than current rookies) and hopefully the NBA has some structure in place, classes and speakers to teach them some responsibility. Even the kids who are ready to play right away could benefit from this.

 

[Dattier]

Oh, I think it's highly unlikely b/c the NBA doesn't care about what's best for college basketball, especially the fans. The only way that will ever happen is if they see it as the best minor league along financial lines, and that might mean giving the NBA influence within the college game that we don't want them to have.

 

[YourPublicEnemy]

My hesistency with the ability to enter straight out of high school is that it burns college coaches all the time with how much they recruit these kids, sign them and then they end up declaring for the draft. That leaves a team in a bind after everyone else has been taken .

Livingston did it to Duke
Stodamire did it to Memphis
Telfair did it to Louisville

And a bunch of others I can't remember.

 

[Dattier]

My hesistency with the ability to enter straight out of high school is that it burns college coaches all the time with how much they recruit these kids, sign them and then they end up declaring for the draft. That leaves a team in a bind after everyone else has been taken .

Livingston did it to Duke
Stodamire did it to Memphis
Telfair did it to Louisville

And a bunch of others I can't remember.

You're right.

Off the top of my head, JR Smith did it to UNC; Andre Bynum did it to UConn; Kwame Brown did it to... Florida, I think.

 

[Buzzooka Joe]

The NBA should allow players to go from high school to the NBA Developmental Legue, then be eligible to play in the NBA after 1 year in the Decelopmental League.

 

[skysdad]

The NBA should allow players to go from high school to the NBA Developmental Legue, then be eligible to play in the NBA after 1 year in the Decelopmental League.

I agree because right now the NBA is using the college game as a development league where they don't have to pay them for a year. They've really screwed up the college game. OFC

 

[TRU CANE]

WOW..that would really deter those OADs, having to give back 50k?
after they sign for 3-6 mil per year.
Maybe they could be sued for breach of contract.

Why not a silent verbal among coaches to not recruit any Mickey Dees?

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