Yes, he works hard and is a good kid but his stat line and even his defense and butterfingers was very painful to watch.
Yes, he works hard and is a good kid but his stat line and even his defense and butterfingers was very painful to watch.
Inexplicable to me. I would play Lindsay over him all day long.
Skelly is a presence. Played good D and he seems to know the offense and defense a helluva lot better than almost everyone else, from what I can see. I know he doesn't get many shots but he moves around and passes the ball and it seems like the offense at least flows. If he played a whole game he would prolly average 5 assist a game.Collins is awful quick to pull the trigger on non-starters. Look what he did to Skelly; one bad turnover then he pulls him from the game. Sends him back in, hits a big 3. I think sometimes he needs to give a longer leash to those coming off the bench because down the home stretch you'll need more minutes from them and bigger contributions in order for us to actually win some of these games.
I agree and off last night, I think Skelly should start Saturday. Lumpkin was brutal in all phases last night. 0 points and three boards in 20 minutes and a big defensive lapse letting his guy follow his own shot for a crucial basket (also a bad foul on a desperation 3 point attempt in the fist half), not to mention fumbling away a key rebound, stepping out of bounds on another and traveling instead of shooting a wide open three late in the shot clock in the first half (something he has done before, I might add). He hustles and tries hard, but he is not a starting player.Skelly is a presence. Played good D and he seems to know the offense and defense a helluva lot better than almost everyone else, from what I can see. I know he doesn't get many shots but he moves around and passes the ball and it seems like the offense at least flows. If he played a whole game he would prolly average 5 assist a game.
Lindsey is more of a 2-3 so he gets minutes from Demps and Falzone. Skelly gets the other minutes at the 4Inexplicable to me. I would play Lindsay over him all day long.
He has had a couple really poor games. Fouled out of both and many of his fouls last night were brutal. His D just wasn't there. Wonder if he is dinged up.Yes, he works hard and is a good kid but his stat line and even his defense and butterfingers was very painful to watch.
Lumpkin is supposed to be the glue guy and right now, he just isn't very sticky. Skelly has been brought along nicely and is contributing more and more.I agree and off last night, I think Skelly should start Saturday. Lumpkin was brutal in all phases last night. 0 points and three boards in 20 minutes and a big defensive lapse letting his guy follow his own shot for a crucial basket (also a bad foul on a desperation 3 point attempt in the fist half), not to mention fumbling away a key rebound, stepping out of bounds on another and traveling instead of shooting a wide open three late in the shot clock in the first half (something he has done before, I might add). He hustles and tries hard, but he is not a starting player.
Right now NU has 3 Big Ten ready players, Olah, Demps and Mac and probably one in the making, Falzone. Lumpkin is a liability on offense and he is now hurting in other ways, rebounding and ball handling. Skelly should get the majority of the minutes at the 4 and let's see if there is another Big Ten caliber player on this roster.Fair question. i guess unless Collins is a complete moron, the alternatives are worse. Cats need better players, and we gotta wait a couple more years until they arrive.
What production NU has gotten from him is what your going to get.I agree, Skelly deserves a start over Lumpkin. I had Lindsay in that spot but he's really more of a combo guard and Lumpkin is really at the 4. Either way more Skelly and Lindsay and less Lumpkin until we get better production from him.
Lumpkin was generally not about the numbers but much more the intangibles. Problem is right now, he hasn't been good with the intangibles.I agree, Skelly deserves a start over Lumpkin. I had Lindsay in that spot but he's really more of a combo guard and Lumpkin is really at the 4. Either way more Skelly and Lindsay and less Lumpkin until we get better production from him.
Lindsey just did not seem ready to shoot last nightLumpkin is a flawed player, but he
- hits the boards (better than Olah, worse than Pardon, Skelly, JVZ on a per-minute basis);
- makes a good percentage of threes (similar percentage to Falzon and Mac, below Lindsey & Tap, ahead of Demps);
- is a hard-*** (Lindsey had that edge last year, but has lost his hard-***-ness a bit)
With Skelly getting more minutes, clearly Lumpkin is in a position where he'll have to prove his worth in-game. Competition is good.
In other news, the Washington Post has amazing team pages - game stories, stats, etc. It's great.
http://stats.washingtonpost.com/cbk/teamstats.asp?team=421&report=stats
i dont think that its so much that lumpkin is doin anything different. I just think that skelly is developing and imo has consistently outplayed him of late. Im sure collins was waiting for it to happen and is working on making any starting transition 'seamless".Lumpkin is supposed to be the glue guy and right now, he just isn't very sticky. Skelly has been brought along nicely and is contributing more and more.
IMO, Skelly will be far more advanced than RI coming in or Benson. Don't get me wrong, those players look great but like Falzon, or Law, they will have growing pains as freshmen. I do think that both of those players play, and I suppose Brown may play unless Ash materializes. Dunno, I gotta watch Skelly some more cuz the sample of the last 4 games, while very interesting, is still a small sample. I'm not a BB guy but he knows the offense and has great hands and a great eye as well for cutters and where everyone is. On defense he is also solid, so dunno but I think he will be at minimum a solid 6th man in 2 years, if not a starter next year.Turk,
Good point about Lump. Every team that plays NU is overplaying McIntosh and Demps and daring anyone else to beat NU. Falzon is stepping up but when Lumpkin is in the game you are effectively playing 5 on 4 on offense. Skelly can pass and has much more offensive skills than Lump and should be taking his minutes. Also, if VLaw was available he would have taken most of Lump's minutes. Next year, NU will look much better on offense with Law and 4-star recruits in RI and Barrett Benson playing. Then you factor in a playmaker in Isiah Brown and hopefully Lindsey and Pardon matures into more consistent players and we might be able to finish teams off in the last 5 minutes. It was tough to watch against the top 8 teams in the Big 10 but we will be able to do so with one or two more Collins' recruiting classes.