How Duke and Mike Krzyzewski are winning at Kentucky's one-and-done game

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Good article posted a couple hours ago on ESPN.com. I liked this line in particular....

"If today's recruiting race could be held at Churchill Downs or Pimlico or Belmont Park, Duke and Kentucky would be Secretariat and American Pharoah and the rest of college basketball's contenders would be a fading tangle of barn horses choking on their dust."

Here's the link to the entire piece.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...ewski-beating-kentucky-john-calipari-own-game
 
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And for the record, I posted the article title as the thread title....even though I don't think K has approached recruiting the last few years like Calipari. I think what we're seeing from K is another example of him being a master at adaptation.
 
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I like this quote from K.

"If Johnny Dawkins was here today, he might be one- or two-and-done. Put Grant Hill and Laettner and those guys in this era, they could be one-and-done. So we haven't changed as far as who we look for. We just have to look for them more frequently."

Yeah, K and Duke have always went after the best players, not much has changed...except for the fact the very best leave after one year, or at most 2.

OFC
 

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And for the record, I posted the article title as the thread title....even though I don't think K has approached recruiting the last few years like Calipari. I think what we're seeing from K is another example of him being a master at adaptation.

Funny when K does it, it's "adaptation" and when Cal did it he was ruining the game. You guys gave us hell, along with everyone else for "selling out". I can't tell you how much trash we take. Now that you are adapting then it's suddenly okay...LOL
 

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Win or lose, I'll be happy when this game is in the rearview mirror and these UK posters vacate again. They really have a complex when it comes to Duke.
 

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Funny when K does it, it's "adaptation" and when Cal did it he was ruining the game. You guys gave us hell, along with everyone else for "selling out". I can't tell you how much trash we take. Now that you are adapting then it's suddenly okay...LOL
You seem to forget the shady past of your current coach – leaving his previous 2 teams in NCAA violations. That's probably what people were talking about if they said he's "ruining the game."
 

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Funny when K does it, it's "adaptation" and when Cal did it he was ruining the game. You guys gave us hell, along with everyone else for "selling out". I can't tell you how much trash we take. Now that you are adapting then it's suddenly okay...LOL

Well, just for sake of argument let's say you're right...and how would that compare to a fanbase that said Cal was a low down, slimey azz, cheatin' SOB when he coached at Memphis, but now is on his way to sainthood as voiced by UK fans...yeah, now that is what you call LOL.

OFC
 
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Win or lose, I'll be happy when this game is in the rearview mirror and these UK posters vacate again. They really have a complex when it comes to Duke.

It's just jealousy. They know their coach will never be anywhere near as good or respected as Coach K.
 
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You seem to forget the shady past of your current coach – leaving his previous 2 teams in NCAA violations. That's probably what people were talking about if they said he's "ruining the game."

You mean the same coach that was never named in either case? No, they specifically said he was ruining the game with the one and done. It just shows that once K does it it suddenly becomes fine and smart.
 
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Well, just for sake of argument let's say you're right...and how would that compare to a fanbase that said Cal was a low down, slimey azz, cheatin' SOB when he coached at Memphis, but now is on his way to sainthood as voiced by UK fans...yeah, now that is what you call LOL.

OFC

Pretty much the same thing. Just like UL talked crap about Rick until he came there. For the record, I doubt it was a big part of the UK fan base that bashed him because most could care less.

K is the best coach maybe ever. I give him that. However, Duke has slipped some slimy things in its past as well. They didn't have anyone to talk so they get off. We all know its true but your fan base will defend it to the death. No different than any fan base will do. Heck, look at UNC. The dirtiest program in history yet they blindly defend them. So, I don't think this is just a UK fan base phenomenon
 

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Nice timing on that article. Hope to see you in March. Doubt the outcome will be much different.
 

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Nice timing on that article. Hope to see you in March. Doubt the outcome will be much different.
Always good to win if your a UK or duke fan.

Both are great programs with great coaches. Haters from both teams need to give it up.
 

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Funny when K does it, it's "adaptation" and when Cal did it he was ruining the game. You guys gave us hell, along with everyone else for "selling out". I can't tell you how much trash we take. Now that you are adapting then it's suddenly okay...LOL

Give it up....you're not smart enough to have this argument with me.
 

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You seem to forget the shady past of your current coach – leaving his previous 2 teams in NCAA violations. That's probably what people were talking about if they said he's "ruining the game."

Coach K should have had strict liability and stripped seasons twice already. Not saying I agree with the philosophy, but it's a fact. The only reason cal was pinned was because he coaches at mid major schools, and the NCAA loves making them an example.

People were running of the mouth about cal ruining the game. ESPN loves Duke and coach K. They're just spinning it into a different form. It's no different than the liberal media and Hillary.

The article isn't even accurate. Elton caused Duke issues when he left because K has never supported players leaving early until Cal created the new way for the best programs to recruit. K is different to an extent, but not in the way this article is expressing.

There's many years ahead. If cal wind a few more titles in the next ten, which I think he will, he will have an argument that quality is better than quantity. Cal will have the recruiting game to himself for at least a 7-10 year period. This article is cashing checks reality hasn't provided yet, as we saw last night.
 
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Well, just for sake of argument let's say you're right...and how would that compare to a fanbase that said Cal was a low down, slimey azz, cheatin' SOB when he coached at Memphis, but now is on his way to sainthood as voiced by UK fans...yeah, now that is what you call LOL.

OFC
ouch BUTT HURT Funny thing NCAA has NEVER EVER investigated Cal lol NEVER Duke looked good last night hahahaha 5'8 guard destroyed them!
 

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K is the best coach maybe ever. I give him that. However, Duke has slipped some slimy things in its past as well. They didn't have anyone to talk so they get off. We all know its true but your fan base will defend it to the death. No different than any fan base will do. Heck, look at UNC. The dirtiest program in history yet they blindly defend them. So, I don't think this is just a UK fan base phenomenon
There is literally nothing for Duke to defend. There have never been any infractions. That is an undebatable fact. Whether you like it or not means nothing.
 

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There is literally nothing for Duke to defend. There have never been any infractions. That is an undebatable fact. Whether you like it or not means nothing.

Look, Duke runs a good ship as far as I can tell. But so does UK, and lots of other programs that the NCAA has painted in a bad light.

Duke has had several scandals that, had it been another program, you would have infractions. It's as close to a fact as there is. It's not about what I like or you like, it's about the truth. Does strict liability matter, or does it not? I hate it, but the NCAA said "it doesn't matter what you know, rules were broken, players are ineligible, the games never happened", that was supposed to mean for everyone, right?

So when something happens to cal at Umass, away from his control, and they pin him with this bullsh*t rule of "strict liability" only then to say when UNC or Duke get caught up that somehow what the coaches "knew" is now important, I think the perceived idea of a "good boys club" is at least somewhat justified. You just can't spin that away. More fans believe the NCAA is corrupt than not.
 

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Duke has had several scandals that, had it been another program, you would have infractions.

Like what? Surely you can name them.

Coach K should have had strict liability and stripped seasons twice already. Not saying I agree with the philosophy, but it's a fact. The only reason cal was pinned was because he coaches at mid major schools, and the NCAA loves making them an example.

People were running of the mouth about cal ruining the game. ESPN loves Duke and coach K. They're just spinning it into a different form. It's no different than the liberal media and Hillary.

The article isn't even accurate. Elton caused Duke issues when he left because K has never supported players leaving early until Cal created the new way for the best programs to recruit. K is different to an extent, but not in the way this article is expressing.

There's many years ahead. If cal wind a few more titles in the next ten, which I think he will, he will have an argument that quality is better than quantity. Cal will have the recruiting game to himself for at least a 7-10 year period. This article is cashing checks reality hasn't provided yet, as we saw last night.

There's so much misinformation in this post I don't even know where to start.

First, what seasons should have been stripped?

I don't deny K does get pretty good coverage in the media, but part of that should at least be attributed to him being the all-time winningest coach, having 12 Final Four appearances and five national championships....should it not? (P.S. I love the line the line about Hilary and the liberal media....deciding if I should just laugh or feel sorry for you.)

How did Elton Brand cause issues? Enlighten us. And by the way, K had players leaving early a long time before Cal got to UK. A long time.

So let me get this straight....last night's game proved your argument? Do you really believe that? I can handle rational discourse, but you're so far out in left field on this one that I realize I wasted a lot of time just replying to your post(s).

Come back to reality. It's fun here.
 

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Like what? Surely you can name them.



There's so much misinformation in this post I don't even know where to start.

First, what seasons should have been stripped?

I don't deny K does get pretty good coverage in the media, but part of that should at least be attributed to him being the all-time winningest coach, having 12 Final Four appearances and five national championships....should it not? (P.S. I love the line the line about Hilary and the liberal media....deciding if I should just laugh or feel sorry for you.)

How did Elton Brand cause issues? Enlighten us. And by the way, K had players leaving early a long time before Cal got to UK. A long time.

So let me get this straight....last night's game proved your argument? Do you really believe that? I can handle rational discourse, but you're so far out in left field on this one that I realize I wasted a lot of time just replying to your post(s).

Come back to reality. It's fun here.
I thought about going into it, but what's the point. Surprised you did!
 

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There is literally nothing for Duke to defend. There have never been any infractions. That is an undebatable fact. Whether you like it or not means nothing.

The same goes for Cal. Doesn't stop all the geniuses from spouting off like its fact that he has.

Maybe in your heart you THINK Cal is dirty.

Maybe in our heart we know a player taking many thousands of dollars in jewelry and loans is dirty along with the program.

Since no one is talking then its all just a hunch now isn't it.....
 

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There is literally nothing for Duke to defend. There have never been any infractions. That is an undebatable fact. Whether you like it or not means nothing.

The point isn't whether there were ever infractions placed upon Duke but rather should there have been infractions? Have there been situations that have happened at Duke that are similar to situations the NCAA pursued with other schools? Yep.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...gain-yes-unless-the-heat-stays-on-blue-devils

More on Corey Maggette's story: http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/story?id=100919

More on Lance Thomas' story: http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/64146/lance-thomas-scandal-remains-opaque

You can give all kinds of reasons those 2 situations didn't hit coach K just like Cal's defenders can give all kinds of reasons why his situations weren't on him.
Marcus Camby took Jewelry from an agent after his season was over! He was going to the NBA anyway... Cal and Umass gained nothing from him taking something from an agent after the season and the NCAA stated clearly that Cal had nothing to do with it.

Derick Rose was cleared by the NCAA clearing house twice... Memphis took the risky step of actually playing a player that was cleared by the NCAA to play. NCAA comes in after the fact, and says they don't think he took his own entrance test so he was never qualified to play. That's Cal's fault how? He should've known.... really? Like K should've known about Maggette and Piggie? Like K should have known about a student athlete getting a jewelry loan no normal student could get? Both those guys could easily have been ruled ineligible after the fact and Duke's seasons would have been wiped and K would have 2 major stains (that seem more significant than what happened at Cal's schools). The NCAA wanted no part of bringing down the guy who "does things the right way", so they walked away from all of Duke's smoke.

Cal's brought a lot on himself by being so openly critical of the NCAA over the years... just be glad you've got a coach that's the NCAA's poster child.
 
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The point isn't whether there were ever infractions placed upon Duke but rather should there have been infractions? Have there been situations that have happened at Duke that are similar to situations the NCAA pursued with other schools? Yep.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...gain-yes-unless-the-heat-stays-on-blue-devils

More on Corey Maggette's story: http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/story?id=100919

More on Lance Thomas' story: http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/64146/lance-thomas-scandal-remains-opaque

You can give all kinds of reasons those 2 situations didn't hit coach K just like Cal's defenders can give all kinds of reasons why his situations weren't on him.
Marcus Camby took Jewelry from an agent after his season was over! He was going to the NBA anyway... Cal and Umass gained nothing from him taking something from an agent after the season and the NCAA stated clearly that Cal had nothing to do with it.

Derick Rose was cleared by the NCAA clearing house twice... Memphis took the risky step of actually playing a player that was cleared by the NCAA to play. NCAA comes in after the fact, and says they don't think he took his own entrance test so he was never qualified to play. That's Cal's fault how? He should've known.... really? Like K should've known about Maggette and Piggie? Like K should have known about a student athlete getting a jewelry loan no normal student could get? Both those guys could easily have been ruled ineligible after the fact and Duke's seasons would have been wiped and K would have 2 major stains (that seem more significant than what happened at Cal's schools). The NCAA wanted no part of bringing down the guy who "does things the right way", so they walked away from all of Duke's smoke.

Cal's brought a lot on himself by being so openly critical of the NCAA over the years... just be glad you've got a coach that's the NCAA's poster child.

Whine much?
 

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No Coach K run program has ever been found guilty of NCAA infractions. That is an undebateable, cast in stone, 100% fact. I could not care an inkling less about whether you think they should have or not. I deal in fact. You are welcome to your valueless opinion.
 

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Coach K should have had strict liability and stripped seasons twice already. Not saying I agree with the philosophy, but it's a fact. The only reason cal was pinned was because he coaches at mid major schools, and the NCAA loves making them an example.

People were running of the mouth about cal ruining the game. ESPN loves Duke and coach K. They're just spinning it into a different form. It's no different than the liberal media and Hillary.

The article isn't even accurate. Elton caused Duke issues when he left because K has never supported players leaving early until Cal created the new way for the best programs to recruit. K is different to an extent, but not in the way this article is expressing.

There's many years ahead. If cal wind a few more titles in the next ten, which I think he will, he will have an argument that quality is better than quantity. Cal will have the recruiting game to himself for at least a 7-10 year period. This article is cashing checks reality hasn't provided yet, as we saw last night.


I don't know where you really came from but you are not fooling any o us here. We've been ask to be cordial and open to all posters and to be respectful o the views as long as they are respectful. One doesn't have to be vulgar, use profanity or treat Coach K in a negative manner. You have done none of these but you are deceptive and must think you're pulling one over us. I'm going to be kind and cordial in asking you to just leave without any more comments because it's only going to last for so long. It just amazes me that there are posters from other an bases like yourself that just can't stay where they belong. OFC
 
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The point isn't whether there were ever infractions placed upon Duke but rather should there have been infractions? Have there been situations that have happened at Duke that are similar to situations the NCAA pursued with other schools? Yep.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...gain-yes-unless-the-heat-stays-on-blue-devils

More on Corey Maggette's story: http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/story?id=100919

More on Lance Thomas' story: http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/64146/lance-thomas-scandal-remains-opaque

You can give all kinds of reasons those 2 situations didn't hit coach K just like Cal's defenders can give all kinds of reasons why his situations weren't on him.
Marcus Camby took Jewelry from an agent after his season was over! He was going to the NBA anyway... Cal and Umass gained nothing from him taking something from an agent after the season and the NCAA stated clearly that Cal had nothing to do with it.

Derick Rose was cleared by the NCAA clearing house twice... Memphis took the risky step of actually playing a player that was cleared by the NCAA to play. NCAA comes in after the fact, and says they don't think he took his own entrance test so he was never qualified to play. That's Cal's fault how? He should've known.... really? Like K should've known about Maggette and Piggie? Like K should have known about a student athlete getting a jewelry loan no normal student could get? Both those guys could easily have been ruled ineligible after the fact and Duke's seasons would have been wiped and K would have 2 major stains (that seem more significant than what happened at Cal's schools). The NCAA wanted no part of bringing down the guy who "does things the right way", so they walked away from all of Duke's smoke.

Cal's brought a lot on himself by being so openly critical of the NCAA over the years... just be glad you've got a coach that's the NCAA's poster child.

Let's start with the Corey Maggette situation. The NCAA's protocol on amateurism doesn't all fall under one umbrella. That's what people who can't read, don't want to read, or simply don't want to accept as reality.

So let's ask this question....did Corey Maggette accept money/benefits from Myron Piggie? Yes, he did. Did JaRon Rush, Kareem Rush, Korleone Young and Andre Williams also accept benefits from Piggie? Yes, they did.

Under the NCAA umbrella of amateurism, this doesn't mean those said players are ineligible to compete in the NCAA. The NCAA ruled on all of the players behalf (Korleone Young didn't really matter because he entered the draft out of high school) that while they accepted the benefits, none of the schools they attended knew about or were in any way involved in the process.

So what happened was this.....none of the schools (Note: NONE) for which those players matriculated at in college were cited for any wrongdoing. None of the schools had wins or season's vacated. What happened is that JaRon Rush was forced to sit out games at UCLA, Kareem Rush at Mizzou and Andre Williams at Oklahoma State. By the time of the ruling, both Maggette and Young were in the NBA. Had they still been in college, both would have been forced to sit out a number of games as punishment, like their counterparts, per the NCAA.

None of that is made up. It's fact. Can the amateurism rules by the NCAA be questioned? Of course. But that's not the argument. You're implying, and many fools just like you too, that Duke somehow benefited from the situation that other schools would not have. Again....that's not true. No schools --- not a single one --- were punished.

And for the record....I'm not giving reasons why Duke and K shouldn't have been charged with wrongdoing. Those are facts. There's a difference.

The Lance Thomas situation is a bit murkier, but there's still nothing that suggests one way or the other that Duke was involved in any wrongdoing.

Also, there is no cover-up by Duke. Lance Thomas, by his choice, has not spoken on the matter. And he doesn't have to. Also, because he doesn't there's nothing Duke can do about it.

What we do know is that Lance Thomas purchased some jewelry. We also know that Lance's mom held a corporate job for a number of years in New Jersey and the family, while not maybe "well off" was very successful.

As for K being the NCAA's poster child I'll just say this....they could do much worse, and not a whole lot better. Coach K is the face of college basketball and USA basketball. He's won five national championships. Been to 12 Final Fours. His model of success in the sport is unparalleled.

So yeah, he is kind of the poster child. But it's not for the reasons you think. It's because he's successful, respected and the best as what he does. His success drives a lot of people crazy. And we all know, even dumb people, that attacking his accomplishments makes them look foolish. So what's the next best thing to do? Attack his character. But you know what, that's not a winnable fight either.

UNC and UK fans think he's egotistical, fakes back injuries, is scared to play teams on the road, has the refs in his back pocket, looks like a rat, etc., etc., etc.

Now let me ask you this....with all of his accomplishments (listed numerous times) and achievements, and on the other side of the coin some of the tremendous input I just shared of UNC and UK fans.....who exactly looks and appears to be a little delusional and out of touch with reality? You and I both know the answer.
 

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Let's start with the Corey Maggette situation. The NCAA's protocol on amateurism doesn't all fall under one umbrella. That's what people who can't read, don't want to read, or simply don't want to accept as reality.

So let's ask this question....did Corey Maggette accept money/benefits from Myron Piggie? Yes, he did. Did JaRon Rush, Kareem Rush, Korleone Young and Andre Williams also accept benefits from Piggie? Yes, they did.

Under the NCAA umbrella of amateurism, this doesn't mean those said players are ineligible to compete in the NCAA. The NCAA ruled on all of the players behalf (Korleone Young didn't really matter because he entered the draft out of high school) that while they accepted the benefits, none of the schools they attended knew about or were in any way involved in the process.

So what happened was this.....none of the schools (Note: NONE) for which those players matriculated at in college were cited for any wrongdoing. None of the schools had wins or season's vacated. What happened is that JaRon Rush was forced to sit out games at UCLA, Kareem Rush at Mizzou and Andre Williams at Oklahoma State. By the time of the ruling, both Maggette and Young were in the NBA. Had they still been in college, both would have been forced to sit out a number of games as punishment, like their counterparts, per the NCAA.

None of that is made up. It's fact. Can the amateurism rules by the NCAA be questioned? Of course. But that's not the argument. You're implying, and many fools just like you too, that Duke somehow benefited from the situation that other schools would not have. Again....that's not true. No schools --- not a single one --- were punished.

And for the record....I'm not giving reasons why Duke and K shouldn't have been charged with wrongdoing. Those are facts. There's a difference.

The Lance Thomas situation is a bit murkier, but there's still nothing that suggests one way or the other that Duke was involved in any wrongdoing.

Also, there is no cover-up by Duke. Lance Thomas, by his choice, has not spoken on the matter. And he doesn't have to. Also, because he doesn't there's nothing Duke can do about it.

What we do know is that Lance Thomas purchased some jewelry. We also know that Lance's mom held a corporate job for a number of years in New Jersey and the family, while not maybe "well off" was very successful.

As for K being the NCAA's poster child I'll just say this....they could do much worse, and not a whole lot better. Coach K is the face of college basketball and USA basketball. He's won five national championships. Been to 12 Final Fours. His model of success in the sport is unparalleled.

So yeah, he is kind of the poster child. But it's not for the reasons you think. It's because he's successful, respected and the best as what he does. His success drives a lot of people crazy. And we all know, even dumb people, that attacking his accomplishments makes them look foolish. So what's the next best thing to do? Attack his character. But you know what, that's not a winnable fight either.

UNC and UK fans think he's egotistical, fakes back injuries, is scared to play teams on the road, has the refs in his back pocket, looks like a rat, etc., etc., etc.

Now let me ask you this....with all of his accomplishments (listed numerous times) and achievements, and on the other side of the coin some of the tremendous input I just shared of UNC and UK fans.....who exactly looks and appears to be a little delusional and out of touch with reality? You and I both know the answer.
I just wanted to say thanks to you DJ for explaining the situation on Maggette and Thompson.

Every time I've tried to figure what happened it was different people having pissing matches and never really knew the facts.

I agree if Maggette got money or any extra benefits before he went to college and Duke was not involved, then K or Duke shouldn't be liable.

I know you said Lance's situation is different and he wouldn't talk to NCAA. That's what Rose done also.

And this is a honest question, do you think Memphis should have been stripped of their final four and wins because of Rose?

I'll explain my reasoning or opinion. Memphis was assured Rose was eligible to play on two separate occasions by the NCAA. And afterwards screwed Memphis on the vacated season.

I will say this, my opinion is Rose didn't take his SAT's to get in college. I just don't understand why he would not talk to the NCAA if it was legit.

With that being said, I also have never understood why people think Calipari had someone take the test for him. Or that he's responsible for Rose's actions. If Rose didn't take the test and the NCAA said there's no way Cal knew, why were those games vacated. The things the NCAA say Rose was guilty of happened before he was in college.

I think that's why My fanbase brings it up. And to be honest, I think it's a legitiment question. Not that I believe Duke or K should be implicated for what Maggette done before going to Duke. If that's what happen then Duke and K shouldn't be held accountable.

But on the other hand, why did the NCAA have a different set of rules for Rose and Memphis? Both K and Duke were not found of doing anything wrong, and both Cal and Memphis were found not doing anything wrong.

The NCAA investigation's ruling was handed out after both players were done in college, but one school had violations handed to them and one didn't.

Like I said, from what you explained in the Maggette situation, I agree that there's no way K or Duke should be held accountable. But I also believe Cal and Memphis shouldn't have been held accountable for Rose's actions either.

I hope you get what I'm saying. And I do appreciate you breaking down the Maggette situation. Most (including myself) jumps to conclusions. And sometimes they're not what you think. But I just don't understand how or why the NCAA rules on these cases in so many different ways.

I'd rather the 5 power conferences get together and start their own governing body and say, to hell with the NCAA. Just my opinion though.
 
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that Duke somehow benefited from the situation that other schools would not have. Again....that's not true. No schools --- not a single one --- were punished.

If a player is forced by NCAA to sit out games, he is by definition ineligible for competition in said games. So all the other schools who had a player enroll did have to deal with a penalty for that player's violations except Duke. Having players kept out of competition is a punishment--all the other schools received except for Duke.

The point of the article was not that Duke should have to vacate anything... it's that in these 2 situations the NCAA was extremely hesitant to pursue (years later in Maggette case) and was inconsistent in it's treatment of Duke compared to precedents set like strict liability for Cal-- even though NCAA said neither he nor anyone at the schools knew or were involved... but not for Coach K. As well as, presumption of guilt when a player doesn't come back to school to be interviewed by NCAA (Derick Rose). However, with Lance Thomas as you said....
Also, there is no cover-up by Duke. Lance Thomas, by his choice, has not spoken on the matter. And he doesn't have to. Also, because he doesn't there's nothing Duke can do about it..
Lance doesn't talk and the problem fades away... Rose doesn't talk and it's proof of guilt.

I'll just paste a little of the linked story to remind you all that the rest of the nation and respected journalists don't buy the myth of Duke being above the fray.

"The NCAA cleared Rose to play, just as it cleared Maggette at Duke, but when new information arose the NCAA held Memphis accountable for a mistake Rose made before he got to campus. I don't necessarily agree with that, but it happened, and the NCAA did hold Memphis accountable -- because that's what the NCAA does.

Only, the NCAA doesn't do it to Duke.

It didn't in 1999, although it held three other schools accountable for the sins of AAU coach Myron Piggie: UCLA, Oklahoma State and Missouri. All three schools had to suspend players who were given money in high school by Piggie, because the payments were discovered while that trio was still in college. Maggette? He was long gone. He turned pro after his freshman season. The NCAA couldn't suspend him in the NBA, but the NCAA didn't even pursue Duke's ill-gotten 1999 victories or NCAA tournament revenue -- even though an NCAA official acknowledged in 2000 that precedent said Duke should pay somehow.

"I expect [Duke] will lose 45 percent of the revenue earned at the 1999 NCAA tournament," NCAA public information coordinator Jane Janikowski said, "plus an automatic vacation of their performance in the tournament. In all the cases that have been similar to this one, that is what the precedent has been."

Not anymore, it's not. Duke got away with something that no school ever gets away with, and why? I can't tell you.

We're about to have a similar mystery with Duke, this one involving Lance Thomas and even bigger stakes -- a national championship.

According to court documents -- not rumors but actual court documents, the kind of evidence the NCAA used to crush Penn State in July -- Thomas made a $30,000 down payment on nearly $100,000 in jewelry in December 2009, when he was a senior on the Duke team. How did Thomas come up with the cash? Why would a merchant extend $67,800 in credit to an unemployed college senior? Nobody knows.

And nobody's ever going to find out.

After the jewelry company sued Thomas for defaulting on the loan -- hence the court documents -- the two sides reached a settlement. The NCAA is interested in Thomas' $30,000 down payment and $67,800 in financing, but the jewelry company says it won't talk to the NCAA, and Thomas probably won't, either.

That's where we are on this. If this were almost any other school, that school would get hammered by the NCAA based on the court documents. You know it. I know it. Hell, Duke has to know it. A player on its team received a $67,800 loan while in school, suggesting he received that loan on the promise that he would pay it back after turning pro somewhere, whether in this country or abroad. That sort of financing might sound logical, but it's a blatant NCAA violation. Allow college athletes to receive stuff based on their future earning potential, and you would have alums sweet-talking recruits onto campus by promising to "loan" cash or a car or even a house based on the recruit's future earnings.

That can't happen. What Lance Thomas did in 2009 can't happen -- yet it did. What will the NCAA do about it?

Nothing. And you know it. It's Corey Maggette all over again, a case that received some interest at first, then moved to the back burner, then fell off the stove entirely. Several years later, the NCAA determined Duke was innocent because its coach couldn't have known what Piggie was up to when Maggette was in high school. No such luck for UCLA, Oklahoma State and Missouri, who were apparently supposed to know what Piggie was up to when their players (JaRon Rush of UCLA, Andre Williams of Oklahoma State, Kareem Rush of Missouri) were in high school.

This Lance Thomas case could follow a similar path. It's getting interest now, but another scandal will happen soon enough, something shiny and sparkly, and like a bunch of dumb cats we'll let Duke go and we'll pounce on the new target. The Lance Thomas story will fade. That's what the NCAA is counting on, anyway.

So is Duke.
 

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If a player is forced by NCAA to sit out games, he is by definition ineligible for competition in said games. So all the other schools who had a player enroll did have to deal with a penalty for that player's violations except Duke. Having players kept out of competition is a punishment--all the other schools received except for Duke.

1. Wasn't Maggette in the NBA when the other players had to sit out games? Can the NCAA make someone sit out of NBA games? I'm not a lawyer, but I doubt it.

2. Your quotes come from an article written by Greg Doyel, a noted Duke hater. Consider the source.
 

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1. Wasn't Maggette in the NBA when the other players had to sit out games? Can the NCAA make someone sit out of NBA games? I'm not a lawyer, but I doubt it.

2. Your quotes come from an article written by Greg Doyel, a noted Duke hater. Consider the source.

I think you could make a compelling argument that the least reliable source for Duke basketball, as far as credibility and being professional and unbiased, would be Greg Doyel. All Duke fans know that when you see his name in the byline, you can completely ignore anything that follows.