How I know MBB doesn't matter here

[18IsTheMan]

Shane Beamer won 9 games in 2024, with a spectacular finish to the regular season culminating in a road upset of our rival Clemson. This past season was a very disappointing 4-win campaign and there was rampant and serious discussion for the better part of the season regarding his job status. It was the main talking point for the team for the majority of the season. Many articles written. Non-stop posts on X. Much speculation. A lot of ink spilled. In spite of having led a 9-win campaign two seasons ago.

Lamont Paris, on the other hand, is currently overseeing his 3rd utterly disastrous campaign during his nearly 4-year tenure here. Not just 3rd bad season out of 4...his 3rd complete train wreck season. In 3 of his 4 seasons, we have been, or have been in contention for, the worst team in the league. Nevertheless, I can't find a single article about his job security. No posts on X. A little discussion on here, but nothing like we saw for football this past season.

 

[3USC1801]

Shane Beamer won 9 games in 2024, with a spectacular finish to the regular season culminating in a road upset of our rival Clemson. This past season was a very disappointing 4-win campaign and there was rampant and serious discussion for the better part of the season regarding his job status. It was the main talking point for the team for the majority of the season. Many articles written. Non-stop posts on X. Much speculation. A lot of ink spilled. In spite of having led a 9-win campaign two seasons ago.

Lamont Paris, on the other hand, is currently overseeing his 3rd utterly disastrous campaign during his nearly 4-year tenure here. Not just 3rd bad season out of 4...his 3rd complete train wreck season. In 3 of his 4 seasons, we have been, or have been in contention for, the worst team in the league. Nevertheless, I can't find a single article about his job security. No posts on X. A little discussion on here, but nothing like we saw for football this past season.

I don’t think it’s related to race, if that was implied (not saying it was). IMO, Carolina MBB has become so blasé and for so long that no one cares. When apathy sets in, interests wander to other topics.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I don’t think it’s related to race, if that was implied (not saying it was). IMO, Carolina MBB has become so blasé and for so long that no one cares. When apathy sets in, interests wander to other topics.

Definitely not race-related.

Just that fans and media would be pitching running screaming fits about Beamer if the football was as bad as the basketball team (and did the past season).

Not really much of a peep about Lamont in spite of turning 3 utterly atrocious seasons.

Fans just don't care that much.

 

[3USC1801]

It will be interesting to see if The Don makes a move this year to replace Paris. All surface indications are he will. If so, then I can expect much more scrutiny of the position than in the past simply because Donati will be making his first big hire. Maybe it will generate more enthusiasm (hope) in the fan base, too.

 

[1vagamecock]

While I enjoy watching MBB, I'd much rather watch EPL when we are awful.
If the stadium is empty im pretty sure no one is watching.

 

[StickyBandit]

Definitely not race-related.

Just that fans and media would be pitching running screaming fits about Beamer if the football was as bad as the basketball team (and did the past season).

Not really much of a peep about Lamont in spite of turning 3 utterly atrocious seasons.

Fans just don't care that much.

It’s because many don’t think his seat is hot because he has a $12M buyout currently. Trilly Donovan even said that the seat is hot but wondered if that buyout would prevent us from firing him. However, I’d be shocked if he’s not gone at the end of the season. His buyout can be negotiated down or spread over monthly payments through March 2030. Paris has been a complete failure. I thought when we hired him that this mirrored Horn and that’s proven to be accurate. This is a team with no identity because the coach can’t figure out what he wants the identity to be. We don’t do the things the coach claims we are going to do to be successful. The worst part is he built this team around the metric that you can depend on the least, shooting—and they can’t shoot in a game!

 

[treyno2722]

While I enjoy watching MBB, I'd much rather watch EPL when we are awful.
If the stadium is empty im pretty sure no one is watching.

What's EPL? Sorry for the ignorance.

 

[18IsTheMan]

What's EPL? Sorry for the ignorance.

soccer

 

[18IsTheMan]

It’s because many don’t think his seat is hot because he has a $12M buyout currently.

There is probably some truth to that. However, Beamer had a stiff buyout this past season and that didn't curb any of the rampant discussion about whether he should be canned.

 

[1vagamecock]

What's EPL? Sorry for the ignorance.

English Premier league.
I was all state and all conference in soccer in the 80's in SC so I understand it and find it more interesting than most.

 

[Lurker123]

There is probably some truth to that. However, Beamer had a stiff buyout this past season and that didn't curb any of the rampant discussion about whether he should be canned.

Didn't another poster say that Paris's buyout drops significantly at the end of the season?

 

[18IsTheMan]

Didn't another poster say that Paris's buyout drops significantly at the end of the season?

I don't think it does. No matter when we fire him, we owe him 60% (I think) of his remaining contract. I might be off on the percentage, but it's a set percentage. Considering we're most of the way through the season, the savings in waiting to fire him would be negligible.

 

[StickyBandit]

I don't think it does. No matter when we fire him, we owe him 60% (I think) of his remaining contract. I might be off on the percentage, but it's a set percentage. Considering we're most of the way through the season, the savings in waiting to fire him would be negligible.

65% of the remaining contract. We would owe him a little over $12M. Another poster may have seen the buyout if Paris chooses to leave.

 

[Lurker123]

65% of the remaining contract. We would owe him a little over $12M. Another poster may have seen the buyout if Paris chooses to leave.

That may have been it. I dont even remember which thread it was in.

 

[StickyBandit]

That may have been it. I dont even remember which thread it was in.

It’s easy to confuse the two, but it’s significantly more costly to fire your coach than for them to leave you. The standard practice for a buyout due to termination is 65% of the remaining contract. That said, the buyout can be negotiated.

 

[FootballLVR]

Shane Beamer won 9 games in 2024, with a spectacular finish to the regular season culminating in a road upset of our rival Clemson. This past season was a very disappointing 4-win campaign and there was rampant and serious discussion for the better part of the season regarding his job status. It was the main talking point for the team for the majority of the season. Many articles written. Non-stop posts on X. Much speculation. A lot of ink spilled. In spite of having led a 9-win campaign two seasons ago.

Lamont Paris, on the other hand, is currently overseeing his 3rd utterly disastrous campaign during his nearly 4-year tenure here. Not just 3rd bad season out of 4...his 3rd complete train wreck season. In 3 of his 4 seasons, we have been, or have been in contention for, the worst team in the league. Nevertheless, I can't find a single article about his job security. No posts on X. A little discussion on here, but nothing like we saw for football this past season.

It was discussed and decided by those here that he should be fired a couple months ago. I guess we don't care when it will happen, just that it happens. As has been mentioned before, his buyout drops after the end of the season by a couple million. That's probably what we are waiting for. It would be difficult to fire MBB, Baseball, and football coaches all in the same year though.

 

[StickyBandit]

It was discussed and decided by those here that he should be fired a couple months ago. I guess we don't care when it will happen, just that it happens. As has been mentioned before, his buyout drops after the end of the season by a couple million. That's probably what we are waiting for. It would be difficult to fire MBB, Baseball, and football coaches all in the same year though.

Lamont’s buyout doesn’t drop by a couple million at the end of the season.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Lamont’s buyout doesn’t drop by a couple million at the end of the season.

Yeah. If we fire him now, we pay him 65% of what he's owed for the rest of his contract.

Or we can pay him 100% for the rest of this season and then 65% of whatever's left after that.

 

[StickyBandit]

Yeah. If we fire him now, we pay him 65% of what he's owed for the rest of his contract.

Or we can pay him 100% for the rest of this season and then 65% of whatever's left after that.

We’re talking about another month lol

 

[18IsTheMan]

We’re talking about another month lol

Well, yeah, it's inconsequential if we fire him now or later.

 

[StickyBandit]

Well, yeah, it's inconsequential if we fire him now or later.

Everything that needs to happen behind the scenes can already be happening with him here. If Donati is moving on then he’s probably already sending out feelers to agents to see who is interested.

 

[lexgamecock]

As has been said before the only successful MBB coaches here were winners in major conferences. That said in todays NIL world you have to pay to play.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Everything that needs to happen behind the scenes can already be happening with him here. If Donati is moving on then he’s probably already sending out feelers to agents to see who is interested.

For sure. There's simply no advantage to firing him or retaining him at this point. It's a wash.

 

[1vagamecock]

For sure. There's simply no advantage to firing him or retaining him at this point. It's a wash.

According to the broadcast last night (sec netwok) Lamont is the best coach we have had in the last 30-40 years and "people in SC should understand that".

 

[18IsTheMan]

According to the broadcast last night (sec netwok) Lamont is the best coach we have had in the last 30-40 years and "people in SC should understand that".

I thought you were joking when you referenced that above.

 

[Lurker123]

According to the broadcast last night (sec netwok) Lamont is the best coach we have had in the last 30-40 years and "people in SC should understand that".

To me, that is like the AD saying he fully supports a coach. Announ ers say that when they know the coach is seriously on the hot seat.

 

[18IsTheMan]

To me, that is like the AD saying he fully supports a coach. Announ ers say that when they know the coach is seriously on the hot seat.

Announcers are never going to say a coach sucks, that's for sure.

 

[StickyBandit]

To me, that is like the AD saying he fully supports a coach. Announ ers say that when they know the coach is seriously on the hot seat.

Yeah plus those guys are working for the sec network. They are always pumping up the conference.

 

[1vagamecock]

I thought you were joking when you referenced that above.

A little of both.

 

[3USC1801]

 

[Go Gamecocks]

soccer

 

[1vagamecock]

That's a lot of coaches!

 

[18IsTheMan]

That's........brutal.

The situation may be worse than we think. If that's the perception our job in the coaching ranks, we're in bad shape.

 

[3USC1801]

That's........brutal.

The situation may be worse than we think. If that's the perception our job in the coaching ranks, we're in bad shape.

If this “poll” has any credibility, Donati has his work cut out for him. Especially since it will be his first significant hire if he decides to replace Paris.

 

[18IsTheMan]

5 losses in a row. 3 very ugly ones. One to a bad team at home. Still not a peep in the media about his job security.

Yeah, there's a reason the job here was ranked the worst in the conference. Nobody cares.

 

[will110]

Shane Beamer won 9 games in 2024, with a spectacular finish to the regular season culminating in a road upset of our rival Clemson. This past season was a very disappointing 4-win campaign and there was rampant and serious discussion for the better part of the season regarding his job status. It was the main talking point for the team for the majority of the season. Many articles written. Non-stop posts on X. Much speculation. A lot of ink spilled. In spite of having led a 9-win campaign two seasons ago.

Lamont Paris, on the other hand, is currently overseeing his 3rd utterly disastrous campaign during his nearly 4-year tenure here. Not just 3rd bad season out of 4...his 3rd complete train wreck season. In 3 of his 4 seasons, we have been, or have been in contention for, the worst team in the league. Nevertheless, I can't find a single article about his job security. No posts on X. A little discussion on here, but nothing like we saw for football this past season.

You should be on The Insiders Forum. Every other thread for the past 2 months has been about Paris getting fired and who will replace him.

 

[18IsTheMan]

You should be on The Insiders Forum. Every other thread for the past 2 months has been about Paris getting fired and who will replace him.

There's not a peep in the media. I can't find even one article where his job security is mentioned even in passing.

 

[will110]

There's not a peep in the media. I can't find even one article where his job security is mentioned even in passing.

South Carolina basketball is irrelevant. Paris has popped up on a few hot seat lists the last few days though.

 

[Piscis]

The opposite of love is not hate, it is indifference. MBB is the poster child for indifference in South Carolina sports. No one really cares what happens with MBB.

 

[Piscis]

You should be on The Insiders Forum. Every other thread for the past 2 months has been about Paris getting fired and who will replace him.

Pay forums are the ultimate echo chambers. Only the most invested and emotional fans pay to post on an online forum. There is no mention whatsoever about MBB at South Carolina anywhere else.