How many bad losses
- Thread starter Skolcat
- Start date
This has been asked and answered 100 times on this board.
The general feeling is that Collins has until this current batch of freshmen are seniors to turn this around. He got NU into the NCAA Tournament with his first batch of recruits. That's a massive accomplishment. Now that he has a revamped arena and other facilities, he needs to do it again during the time that Nance, Kopp, Greer and Young are at NU. It's going to be a heck of a lot harder to land a strong 2020 class after this disappointing season, but that's why they pay him the big bucks.
I’d just like see them be in the mix for the post season. Being out of it by the start of February is a drag.
Can't overreact to the past string of losses.
Yes this has been a largely lost season down the stretch.
But the best course of action is to give CCC time to turn it around from here.
We have an incomplete and flawed team right now. There isn't much that can be done in the short term to fix it...
CCC will get another 2-3 years to try to turn this around. We need to start seeing some improvement next season even though I expect a similar record. Better offensive play is a must.
Yes this has been a largely lost season down the stretch.
But the best course of action is to give CCC time to turn it around from here.
We have an incomplete and flawed team right now. There isn't much that can be done in the short term to fix it...
CCC will get another 2-3 years to try to turn this around. We need to start seeing some improvement next season even though I expect a similar record. Better offensive play is a must.
Why? Seriously, it’s Year Six. You can’t possibly tell me that after six seasons, only two of which he managed to win more games than he lost (!!!!!!), the jury is still out?
This is not working, and it’s not going to work.
Don’t be cranky. I’m not trolling. Just objectively asking the question.
Having sat through a couple unnecessary seasons of John Groce, I know your pain. You want it to work, early returns were promising, but it doesn’t happen for a number of reasons (I think in the case of him and Collins, a combination of poor roster construction - notably the lack of a PG for many years - and player development).
I like talking hoops, but Illinois Loyalty has turned into a circle jerk for the last few weeks.
This is a reasonable take. Carmody got 13(!) years. Collins leash won’t be as long but i think of this team remains in the bottom half of the BIG the next 3 seasons, he should be canned.
Heh, fair enough.
There was a time (prior to the Carmody Wars) that this was a good place for that. We’ve been slowly moving back in that direction the past few years.
Enjoy your stay.
There was a time (prior to the Carmody Wars) that this was a good place for that. We’ve been slowly moving back in that direction the past few years.
Enjoy your stay.
I never imagined this year would suck worse than last year, and next yr might be ugly as well. But I’m in for the long haul and think that it’s unlikely that we’ll find a better fit than CCC for this program. He is more of a work in progress than I expected, and there are multiple problems. The thing I’m most disappointed in other than not enough Ws, is that team chemistry seems to be missing. Who are our “glue guys”?
The Weber Wars lasted a solid 8 years on Loyalty. Every fan base has them, I suppose.
I think the arguments around fired coaches always gets misconstrued. I think people criticize the move to fire a coach by pointing at the results that his replacement has produced, when usually these should be considered independently. Just because the new coach ultimately proves to be a bad hire doesn’t mean that removing the former coach was a bad decision.
What made Fitz? Experience? Nope. Home grown face of the program during the days of success.
Well, bb is limited there. That said, where is Esch these days? Can we woo Baldwin and Hardy to co coach?
In theory, as likable as CCC may be, he chosen Duke then coached there. We aren’t Duke. Maybe it’s worth trying a local legend again.
At the same time, BC had to start w/ a program that was in worse shape then when CC took over, and never had the same administrative support - so can't really equate the 2.
That being said, don't see NU being able to get a better face for the program, and CC will get a pretty long leash to turn things around.
Like I had stated before, CC is going to have to make some wholesale changes to both scheme and recruiting/how he constructs a lineup/roster.
Aren't Pardon and Gaines supposed to be the glue guys?
Frankly, I think the bigger worry is finding out why players (who were able to shoot in HS or at other schools) no longer seem to be able to shoot w/ any sort of consistency once they don the purple.
CCC has had a rough couple of years. Sometimes you end up with a group that just don’t have that guy that hates losing so much that he transforms the attitude of the team. This team looks resigned to losing. Pardon is one of my all time favorites, but he seems like too nice of a guy to be that mean SOB that gets the rest of the team fearing losing.
My biggest criticism of CCC is what seems like a double standard of playing time based on results for veterans versus Freshman. I know you can’t make velvet out of pigskin, but for crying out loud try something more drastic than starting BB instead of Kopp. This is a very predictable team and it likely won’t win another game.
I am not sold on Underwood and think he has some of the same Red *** tendencies. However, it would be foolish to argue that his team hasn’t progressed and NU is clearly much worse than they were in December. Team Confidence is severely underrated in predicting outcomes of college sports. The Undies have it and the Cats don’t right now. It is the reverse in football. I am not sure I even remember a time where both team were at the top of their game at the same time in either sport.
No. Pardon is the best player on the team and Gaines will be the best player next season. I didn’t say the best scorer or the most talented.
Yeah I’m not sure anyone can objectively make a case that Underwood is going to succeed. The second half of this year has been encoraging and it seems like he’s got it pointing the right direction after getting most of the roster turned over, but there’s still a huge gap between “not being terrible for the last six weeks” and “actually a good basketball team”. There is more optimism around that program than there has been in years, but that doesn’t mean it will come to fruition.
You’re right that neither team seems to ever be hot at the same time. Such is life in the lower half of the Big Ten. On the flip side, for schools that aren’t traditional athletic powerhouses, success is fleeting so we learn to not take it for granted. I’d kill for the kinds of seasons that Michigan fans complain about.