How similar was Colorado's 5 downs vs Missouri & CMU's extra play vs the Pokies?
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Both were complete abominations of human error.
The Colorado play had to have money involved. That was as elemental as it gets. The Central Michigan play required recognition of the rule and application in a certain situation but the refs are paid to do this. Both programs have the right to be pissed and in my opinion sue those referees for everything they're worth. Both ref crews should have been submitted to the strictest disciplinary action possible which IMO is immediate banning from being involved in being refs for the rest of their lives. The mistakes were that grave. There should be zero tolerance for stupidity on that level.
The Colorado play had to have money involved. That was as elemental as it gets. The Central Michigan play required recognition of the rule and application in a certain situation but the refs are paid to do this. Both programs have the right to be pissed and in my opinion sue those referees for everything they're worth. Both ref crews should have been submitted to the strictest disciplinary action possible which IMO is immediate banning from being involved in being refs for the rest of their lives. The mistakes were that grave. There should be zero tolerance for stupidity on that level.
Not very similar.
One (Mizzou) involved missing the down count which a function that is typically executed dozens of times per game without error--no excuse.
The other (OK St) was a misapplication of an obscure rule--somewhat more understandable.
One (Mizzou) involved missing the down count which a function that is typically executed dozens of times per game without error--no excuse.
The other (OK St) was a misapplication of an obscure rule--somewhat more understandable.
It seems like if every score is reviewed and many overturned, and many calls on the field are are overturned, it would be common sense to fix an error as obvious as an extra down. I don't care if the game is over and it is discovered after the fact. It is insane to allow those things to stand. Extra downs are not judgement calls and in cases where they determine the outcome of a game, they should not be allowed to stand. Change the silly rule!
Not that much. The 5 downs CU got was just simple human error, losing track of the downs. No excuse, that crew should have been fired. I was watching that game, and what amazed me was how few people realized.The CMU thing was the wrong take on a rule. A mistake sure, but not one as glaring as allowing a team 5 downs.
The Colorado game was filled with problems at the end including the fact that the officials realized their mistake, conferred on the field for a very long time and still allowed the play to stand. The touchdown should have never counted in the first place because the Colorado QB is down before he crosses the goal line. He puts the ball in the end zone while he is on his back and then they count it as a score.
Finally, after conferring on the call and allowing the TD to stand the officials then make the insane decision to force Colorado to try an extra point. There was no time on the clock, so the game was officially over. If the kick was blocked, Missouri could have ran it back for a two point coversion to tie the game. However, Colorado just came out in victory formation and took a knee like any sane team would do and there was no chance for Missouri to score.
The other element to this is that Colorado went on to win the national championship that year. Oklahoma St has no chance, so the stakes are different. The CMU game was the misinterpretation of an obscure rule. I doubt anyone in the stadium knew there was a problem and the problem didn't surface until some rules wonk in some office somewhere spent time analyzing it. The Colorado mistake(s) was obvious to everyone in the stadium.
Finally, after conferring on the call and allowing the TD to stand the officials then make the insane decision to force Colorado to try an extra point. There was no time on the clock, so the game was officially over. If the kick was blocked, Missouri could have ran it back for a two point coversion to tie the game. However, Colorado just came out in victory formation and took a knee like any sane team would do and there was no chance for Missouri to score.
The other element to this is that Colorado went on to win the national championship that year. Oklahoma St has no chance, so the stakes are different. The CMU game was the misinterpretation of an obscure rule. I doubt anyone in the stadium knew there was a problem and the problem didn't surface until some rules wonk in some office somewhere spent time analyzing it. The Colorado mistake(s) was obvious to everyone in the stadium.
Here is the thing about the 5th down. When Colorado lined up for what was supposed to be 4th down
To me, the biggest difference (besides those already mentioned) is if Colorado would have know what the correct down was, they would have ran a different play or 2. They ran plays based on the down that they were being told it was. I don't think there is anyway you can go back in that game and award the win to Mizzou. The CMU game, I would have no problem if they went back and awarded the win to Oklahoma State.
Here is a good clip of what happened after the play. As you said, the official talked to someone on the phone up in the box and then they ran an extra point.
To me, the biggest difference (besides those already mentioned) is if Colorado would have know what the correct down was, they would have ran a different play or 2. They ran plays based on the down that they were being told it was. I don't think there is anyway you can go back in that game and award the win to Mizzou. The CMU game, I would have no problem if they went back and awarded the win to Oklahoma State.