Humility

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A month or so ago, Roy Williams went over and watched Texas Tech practice so he could pay special attention to how they do defense. The guy has won national championships and has won more games than the sum total of all historical coaches at a few schools and he found time to learn from a coach younger than he is. I might add that Williams also took the blame on himself for UNC's performances.

It's obvious Collins is lacking in Xs and Os. Swallow your pride and go learn from the best among your fraternity. People will respect you more, not less.

 

[PurpleFaze]

Maybe Collins needs some basketball 101 classes from his dad...

 

[GatoLouco]

The commentators said that Collins had told them we have no go to guy like Rutgers has Baker. And that he hoped we developed one.

While this might be true, it’s another CC sound bite I do not like. Shut up about the deficiencies of our players. Support them and give them confidence. It just sounded less like a premonition and more like a pre emptive excuse to me.

Ultimately, having a guy that can create off the dribble with ease, like Baldwin at Butler because that’s a team I know well, helps a lot. But you surely don’t need one to hold on to large leads with minutes to go.

 

[Katatonic]

Evansville players credited their upset over UK earlier in the season on making that extra pass.

Meanwhile, the 'Cats seem to totally forget about ball movement (and moving w/o the ball) at the end of games, and the coaching staff needs to bear a good part of the blame for that.

 

[hdhntr1]

The commentators said that Collins had told them we have no go to guy like Rutgers has Baker. And that he hoped we developed one.

While this might be true, it’s another CC sound bite I do not like. Shut up about the deficiencies of our players. Support them and give them confidence. It just sounded less like a premonition and more like a pre emptive excuse to me.

Ultimately, having a guy that can create off the dribble with ease, like Baldwin at Butler because that’s a team I know well, helps a lot. But you surely don’t need one to hold on to large leads with minutes to go.

Think of the Bulls without Jordan or Pipen in the year Jordan took off. How many games do they lose instead of win? Any championships? I would guess not. Same could be said of plenty of other teams. A go to guy makes a huge difference

 

[hdhntr1]

The commentators said that Collins had told them we have no go to guy like Rutgers has Baker. And that he hoped we developed one.

While this might be true, it’s another CC sound bite I do not like. Shut up about the deficiencies of our players. Support them and give them confidence. It just sounded less like a premonition and more like a pre emptive excuse to me.

Ultimately, having a guy that can create off the dribble with ease, like Baldwin at Butler because that’s a team I know well, helps a lot. But you surely don’t need one to hold on to large leads with minutes to go.

Coming down the stretch, you do need someone you feel comfortable with the ball in their hands. (a guard as NCAA is a guard driven league) We have no one that fits that role. Buie has the potential to develop into that role but he is not their yet. Still trying to do it all himself

 

[GatoLouco]

Coming down the stretch, you do need someone you feel comfortable with the ball in their hands. (a guard as NCAA is a guard driven league) We have no one that fits that role. Buie has the potential to develop into that role but he is not their yet. Still trying to do it all himself

I did not say it does not help winning games. It will win you a few more. But how is that an excuse to not win games like yesterday's or against Purdue?

Speaking of Purdue, no go to guy. They won the game against us setting a play for a player who was not even a starter in the beginning of the season. Who does not create off the dribble. Who averaged 2.5 points last season. Who averages less points than Kopp.

Again, who does not want a go to guy? Everyone does. But we are not the only ones without one. We are the only ones with 1 conference win though.

I sense a need to come up with more and more excuses. Nope, nothing that could have been done. We are just doomed. But just wait till next season!

 

[go cats go_rivals310290]

It's obvious Collins is lacking in Xs and Os. Swallow your pride and go learn from the best among your fraternity. People will respect you more, not less.

You set up a false premise. Collins continues to adapt. Anyone can see that he has made some nice changes to the offense this season.

And let's be honest: I'm sure that someone in his position never stops absorbing and learning from everyone as he (and his staff of pros) tries to get an edge on some of the top teams and coaches in the college game.

 

[haywood jahblowme]

The commentators said that Collins had told them we have no go to guy like Rutgers has Baker. And that he hoped we developed one.

While this might be true, it’s another CC sound bite I do not like. Shut up about the deficiencies of our players. Support them and give them confidence. It just sounded less like a premonition and more like a pre emptive excuse to me.

Ultimately, having a guy that can create off the dribble with ease, like Baldwin at Butler because that’s a team I know well, helps a lot. But you surely don’t need one to hold on to large leads with minutes to go.

looking back just at three recent games purdue, maryland, and rutgers - there has been a big difference down the stretch. purdue had two guys make athletic drives into the lane for buckets and sasha hit a three. players making plays. maryland had a step back pump fake three and multiple drives, and rutgers had ron harper jr. hitting NBA step backs geo baker hitting ridiculous shots from all over.

so while i don't disagree with you - i don't think we give enough credit, or i should say i think we too often discredit how "good teams" who don't really run anything special on offense (the sasha purdue shot was a nice play) but just have players that make stuff happen.

 

[GatoLouco]

so while i don't disagree with you - i don't think we give enough credit, or i should say i think we too often discredit how "good teams" who don't really run anything special on offense (the sasha purdue shot was a nice play) but just have players that make stuff happen.

And I don't disagree with you. I agree with what has been said here many times. Usually the best player on the other team is a lot better than ours.

Though I have a hard time saying Purdue has that type of player. They have more athletic guards than we do, that's about it.

But we did not lose against Rutgers or Purdue just because they hit ridiculous shots. We were outscored 11-0 in the last 4.34 against Purdue. We were outscored 14-3 in the last 6:38 against Rutgers. Our lack of offense was the main reason we lost.

 

[haywood jahblowme]

And I don't disagree with you. I agree with what has been said here many times. Usually the best player on the other team is a lot better than ours.

Though I have a hard time saying Purdue has that type of player. They have more athletic guards than we do, that's about it.

But we did not lose against Rutgers or Purdue just because they hit ridiculous shots. We were outscored 11-0 in the last 4.34 against Purdue. We were outscored 14-3 in the last 6:38 against Rutgers. Our lack of offense was the main reason we lost.

we don't diasgree on offense. we disagree on you thinking its scheme. i disagree on players making the same plays they did for the first 35 min before "pressure" cooks them

 

[TheC]

Think of the Bulls without Jordan or Pipen in the year Jordan took off. How many games do they lose instead of win? Any championships? I would guess not. Same could be said of plenty of other teams. A go to guy makes a huge difference

Michael Jordan ain't walking through that door (or some such cliche....)

 

[GatoLouco]

Michael Jordan ain't walking through that door (or some such cliche....)

And we are not talking about going from a good team to a championship team. We are talking about winning a couple of games.

 

[hdhntr1]

And I don't disagree with you. I agree with what has been said here many times. Usually the best player on the other team is a lot better than ours.

Though I have a hard time saying Purdue has that type of player. They have more athletic guards than we do, that's about it.

But we did not lose against Rutgers or Purdue just because they hit ridiculous shots. We were outscored 11-0 in the last 4.34 against Purdue. We were outscored 14-3 in the last 6:38 against Rutgers. Our lack of offense was the main reason we lost.

Guard play is where it is at in CBB. Don't have guard play and you do not win.

 

[hdhntr1]

And I don't disagree with you. I agree with what has been said here many times. Usually the best player on the other team is a lot better than ours.

Though I have a hard time saying Purdue has that type of player. They have more athletic guards than we do, that's about it.

But we did not lose against Rutgers or Purdue just because they hit ridiculous shots. We were outscored 11-0 in the last 4.34 against Purdue. We were outscored 14-3 in the last 6:38 against Rutgers. Our lack of offense was the main reason we lost.

And the second and third best players as well...

 

[GatoLouco]

we don't diasgree on offense. we disagree on you thinking its scheme. i disagree on players making the same plays they did for the first 35 min before "pressure" cooks them

I said it on another thread:
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I was way less frustrated today than last week.

1) last week we were at home. This week we were in one of the most hostile environments this year in the B1G
2) last week we lost in 3 and 1/2 minutes. Today it was more like in 5, and we managed to go into OT
3) last week we played stall ball. This week we played hero ball. This week it seemed less choice and more just inability
4) most important, we went to the RAC and had the game in the palm of our hands. That’s way more than most teams that played there
5) Jones is gonna be a player

Still pretty sad how we can’t close out games. Games where it’s not even about the last few posessions. Just about holding on to a hard earned lead.
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Last week, to me, it felt like poor coaching down the stretch. This week felt a lot more like being scared and succumbing to the pressure.

 

[hdhntr1]

Michael Jordan ain't walking through that door (or some such cliche....)

Point is we do not currently have that go to guy at whatever level.

 

[GatoLouco]

Guard play is where it is at in CBB. Don't have guard play and you do not win.

Yeah, you keep saying that, like if that excuses everything. And it doesn't. We are not talking about making the tournament. We are talking about winning more than one game.

 

[willycat]

Michael Jordan ain't walking through that door (or some such cliche....)

Grades?

 

[willycat]

Yeah, you keep saying that, like if that excuses everything. And it doesn't. We are not talking about making the tournament. We are talking about winning more than one game.

Until NU can recruit the same kids that the other schools in the conference can, expect finishing in the lower third in conference, maybe with a over .500 year every 9 or 10 years.

 

[haywood jahblowme]

And I don't disagree with you. I agree with what has been said here many times. Usually the best player on the other team is a lot better than ours.

Though I have a hard time saying Purdue has that type of player. They have more athletic guards than we do, that's about it.

But we did not lose against Rutgers or Purdue just because they hit ridiculous shots. We were outscored 11-0 in the last 4.34 against Purdue. We were outscored 14-3 in the last 6:38 against Rutgers. Our lack of offense was the main reason we lost.

disagree - start this at 2:30 and tell me baker hit good shots and not some ridiculous shots. i just can't see it

 

[haywood jahblowme]

disagree - start this at 2:30 and tell me baker hit good shots and not some ridiculous shots. i just can't see it

start at 4:20 for the pump fake step back 3

 

[haywood jahblowme]

my point is we trash our X and O's - but these other teams are not getting their late stuff off of X and Os - just straight play making

 

[hdhntr1]

Yeah, you keep saying that, like if that excuses everything. And it doesn't. We are not talking about making the tournament. We are talking about winning more than one game.

Doesn't excuse it but it does explain it. We are looking like we are finally putting some of the issues we had there behind us. Hopefully results will follow.

 

[Fitz51]

Until NU can recruit the same kids that the other schools in the conference can, expect finishing in the lower third in conference, maybe with a over .500 year every 9 or 10 years.

Rutgers and Nebraska can recruit the dumbest kids in the country. How have they been historically?

 

[GatoLouco]

disagree - start this at 2:30 and tell me baker hit good shots and not some ridiculous shots. i just can't see it

Sure, there are a lot of shots that both Purdue and Rutgers made that were low percentage shots. And they made them. I'm with you.

But consider we score 65.5 points per game. I guess this could be done by possession but I'd have to go back and see how many possessions we had. 65.5 points per game is 1.6375 points per minute.

Against Purdue, at that rate, we would have scored 7 points in the last 4:34 of the game. Would have won by 4. We scored zero points. We'd actually have scored more, had we been able to keep them at bay, as they would have started following.

Against Rutgers, we would have scored 10 points. We scored 3. One more basket going in, we'd have won.

Don't think you're wrong about the other team making tough shots. They tend to happen more as you gain confidence. But just a normal level of offense would have won both games easily.

 

[haywood jahblowme]

Sure, there are a lot of shots that both Purdue and Rutgers made that were low percentage shots. And they made them. I'm with you.

But consider we score 65.5 points per game. I guess this could be done by possession but I'd have to go back and see how many possessions we had. 65.5 points per game is 1.6375 points per minute.

Against Purdue, at that rate, we would have scored 7 points in the last 4:34 of the game. Would have won by 4. We scored zero points. We'd actually have scored more, had we been able to keep them at bay, as they would have started following.

Against Rutgers, we would have scored 10 points. We scored 3. One more basket going in, we'd have won.

Don't think you're wrong about the other team making tough shots. They tend to happen more as you gain confidence. But just a normal level of offense would have won both games easily.

out of curiosity in our games that we have lost by 5 or less - what are the points per game and points per minute for the teams? are they close? we are obvioulsy doing something where THEY have stretches of not scoring for 7-10 minutes when we take a double digit lead

are those figure close? is the timing for us that kills us - or the info in the stat itself

 

[GatoLouco]

out of curiosity in our games that we have lost by 5 or less - what are the points per game and points per minute for the teams? are they close? we are obvioulsy doing something where THEY have stretches of not scoring for 7-10 minutes when we take a double digit lead

are those figure close? is the timing for us that kills us - or the info in the stat itself

The number I came up with was just for illustrating a point. I did not consider overtime minutes. I was over simplifying with data easily available.

But other teams are for sure higher, considering we are the lowest scoring team in the B1G. Difference would not be huge per minute though.

We could make this really complicated.
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncb/team-stats/

There's a lot of cool info there, 1st half vs 2nd half. Even overtime points.

My personal opinion is that we **** our pants down the stretch. Both players, as well as coaches. Pressure gets to us. History of the program, youth, previous games, etc, etc.

 

[willycat]

Rutgers and Nebraska can recruit the dumbest kids in the country. How have they been historically?

What a dumb thing to say!

 

[Fitz51]

What a dumb thing to say!

Not as dumb as the kids at Rutgers and Nebraska.

 

[CappyNU]

out of curiosity in our games that we have lost by 5 or less - what are the points per game and points per minute for the teams? are they close? we are obvioulsy doing something where THEY have stretches of not scoring for 7-10 minutes when we take a double digit lead

are those figure close? is the timing for us that kills us - or the info in the stat itself

DePaul: 5 huge runs in this game. First DePaul scores 17 points on 12 possessions to our 1 point in 11 from roughly 16:30-9:30 of the 1st half, then we score 16 in 9 to their 2 in 8 from 9:15-5:15. In the 2nd half, DePaul scores 13 in 7 to our 2 in 7 from 18:30-14:00, which is immediately followed by us scoring 13 in 8 to their 2 in 7 from 14:00-10:00. The final run comes after we have the ball up 6 with 5:00 to play, when they go on a 15-2 run scoring on 6 straight possessions from 4:30-1:30.

Hartford: 'Cats battle back to go up 5 with 2:00 to play, then let Hartford score 6 on 3 straight possessions and we don't score again, lose by 1.

IU: 'Cats go on 18-2 run scoring on 9 of 16 possessions from 6:50 of 1st half-19:30 of second. Later, we don't score for 10 possessions in a row from 11:20-5:30 of the 2nd while IU scores 10 points to tie the game up. IU scores 16 points on 8 of their final 10 possessions over the last 5:00 to win by 4.

Neb: 'Cats go on 16-1 run scoring on 8 of 11 possessions from 10:00-4:30 of 1st half to go up by 17. Then, over the last 18:00 of the 2nd half, the 'Cats score only 15 points on 7 of 31 possessions. The last 10:00 of the game, it was 6 points, scoring on 3 of 15 possessions.

Illini: No real poor stretches, worst one came after we cut their lead to 2 at 60-58, then scored on 1 of 6 possessions while they pushed the lead to 9 from 7:45-3:45 of the 2nd half. Also held them to 2 points on 1 of 5 possessions to make the late comeback effort from 3:30-0:30.

MD: Opened up the game 14-3 scoring on 6 of 8 possessions through 14:30 of 1st half. First bit of trouble came when MD went on 13-5 run with us only scoring on 2 of 9 possessions from 19:00-13:30 of 2nd half to cut our lead to 6, then MD scored on 6 of 7 possessions during a 15-2 run from 12:15-8:15 to go up by 3, and then closed the game out scoring on 7 of 9 possessions on a 16-3 run from 4:45-0:45.

OSU: 'Cats start the game holding OSU to 4 points scoring on 2 of 12 possessions in the first 7:00, then give up a 12-2 run with them scoring on 5 of 6 possessions to take the lead from 13:00-10:00 of the 1st half. Later in the half, the 'Cats give up a 14-4 run while only scoring on 2 of 8 possessions from 8:00-4:00 to go down by 10. The 'Cats span halftime with a 18-5 run scoring on 8 of 13 possessions while OSU only scores on 2 of 13 from 3:00 of 1st half through 14:45 of 2nd half, but then immediately follow that up by giving up a 14-2 run with OSU scoring on 5 of 7 possessions. The 'Cats only score 10 points in the last 10:45, scoring on just 5 of 16 possessions.

Purdue: 'Cats open the game with an 8-2 lead despite only scoring on 3 of 12 possessions through first 7:20. Later in first half, 'Cats go on 12-3 run scoring on 5 of 7 possessions from 7:30-3:30 to go up by 7. In 2nd half, 'Cats score 17 points on 6 possessions in a row(!) to Purdue's 5 from 16:20-13:40 to go up by 10. Then Purdue goes on 10-4 run with 'Cats scoring on 2 of 9 possessions from 10:20-5:40 to cut lead to 4, followed by Purdue's game-sealing 11-0 run where Purdue scored on their last 5 possessions and the 'Cats did not score on any of their 7.

Rutgers: As mentioned, we scored on 12 of our first 17 possessions to open up a 29-11 lead in the first 12:00 of the game. With 10:00 to play in the 2nd half, we were up 57-43. Rutgers proceeded to score on 12 of their next 14 possessions on a 23-9 run to tie it from 10:00-1:15 while we only scored on 1 of 8 over the last 5 minutes and 1 of 10 if you include the first 2 minutes of OT. Rutgers scored on 5 of their 6 OT possessions.

 

[hoquat63]

Rutgers and Nebraska can recruit the dumbest kids in the country. How have they been historically?

Not all RU players are dummies (in fact I doubt any are). Myles is an engineering major with a 3.8 average, Geo’s mom played ball at MIT.

 

[Fitz51]

Not all RU players are dummies (in fact I doubt any are). Myles is an engineering major with a 3.8 average, Geo’s mom played ball at MIT.

3.8 at RU = 1.8 at NU

 

[GatoLouco]

Not as dumb as the kids at Rutgers and Nebraska.

Comments like those are up there with the "it's alright, it's OK..." in demonstrating we are not as smart as we think we are.

 

[GatoLouco]

Illini: No real poor stretches, worst one came after we cut their lead to 2 at 60-58, then scored on 1 of 6 possessions while they pushed the lead to 9 from 7:45-3:45 of the 2nd half. Also held them to 2 points on 1 of 5 possessions to make the late comeback effort from 3:30-0:30.

Thanks for looking all that up. Hope you have some tricks up your sleeve and it's not as hard to get that info as it looks

I watched the IL game live. It was such a different game that I actually drove home feeling upbeat and positive.

We looked like a mature team. No wild ups and downs. Whenever they made a mini run, we responded. We even ran a couple of great plays, at the end, resulting in 3 point shots. That scared them.

We were composed. I really thought we had grown up a lot.

 

[Fitz51]

Comments like those are up there with the "it's alright, it's OK..." in demonstrating we are not as smart as we think we are.

Nebraska and Rutgers are far inferior academic institutions. As a fan, I like to play to my school's strengths, one of which is decidedly not basketball.

 

[hoquat63]

3.8 at RU = 1.8 at NU

Forgive me if I find that hard to believe. Myles also could have gone to Yale had he chosen to. I think Yale is almost as selective as NW.
And no no other RU players that I know of were accepted at any of the Ivies

 

[Fitz51]

Forgive me if I find that hard to believe. Myles also could have gone to Yale had he chosen to. I think Yale is almost as selective as NW.
And no no other RU players that I know of were accepted at any of the Ivies

OK, I hyperbolized.

3.8 at RU = 2.1 at NU.

I truly am sorry for the unnecessary over-the-top nature of my original statement.

 

[TheC]

OK, I hyperbolized.

3.8 at RU = 2.1 at NU.

I truly am sorry for the unnecessary over-the-top nature of my original statement.

This whole back and forth comes with an extra dose of amusement when you consider its occurring in a thread with the title "Humility".

 

[Fitz51]

This whole back and forth comes with an extra dose of amusement when you consider its occurring in a thread with the title "Humility".

I, too, enjoyed that.