I don't care what Lunardi says......
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who did Murray State play really? If they want to make the tournament anyways, play a tougher OOC schedule
I agree and it has nothing to do with Lunardi it is all the committee and they aren't having 2 OVC teams in .
It's happened to murray state before. If I remeber correctly they had 30 wins one year and didn't make it
Lunardi is lost this year,IU is 4-8 in their last 12 games and they get in over a 27-5 team, come on.
I'm with Cal on this one; this is why I hate conference tournaments. Sure, it gives a team a chance, but Murray had nothing to gain, and everything to lose. They lose by one-point for their first conference loss, and they aren't going to the big dance, but Belmont is. Kentucky has nothing to gain by playing in the SEC tournament. I suppose that some teams can gain or lose seeding, but conference tournaments sometimes have no effect on what happens as far as seeding is concerned. I think Murray State would destroy IU, and IU is going to get a bid over them, why? Yale just lost their chance to go to the NCAA tournament after choking against Dartmouth (that's why they are Yale, and haven't been to the tournament since Cal was three years old; they aren't beating Harvard again).
Nothing to do with Lunardi. The problem is the conference tournament. It means absolutely nothing and doesn't go anything for the teams who did well all season. When you are guaranteed a spot in the conference tourney, it doesn't matter if you go 11-18 as long as you get hot and win three games. Never made much sense.
Always hated the conference tournaments.
Always hated the conference tournaments.
NO they schedule was way way too horrible to an at large team . Not a chance in hell they make it in . None .
If Illinois State wins tomorrow and knocks out Northern Iowa that would be the best win for Murray other than beating Belmont. Lost by 35 to Valpo and 27 to Xavier. No way they get in. I believe they only have 1 win against the top 100. 1 of their losses is to a sub-200 team.
Murray and Belmont would give any lower seed a run for their money. They are legit 15 or 16 seeds.
Maybe a thread like this can help. Who knows? Lot's of outside sources come here and read. The NCAA tournament deserves Murray State's participation. Nationally ranked, undefeated reg. season conf. play and an insane winning streak? I've got to believe they will want them in. And with the expansions in recent years to 12 teams it seems logical that at some point eventual dual OVC participation in the NCAA tourney would be warranted - compulsory even. This would seem to be that year.
There's my pitch. Go Racers.
There's my pitch. Go Racers.
Yeah I'm sure Athletic Directors and conference commissioners log on to the UK free rivals basketball forum to get insight on bubble teams. Good call.
I completely agree with you. Conference tournaments are nice for the big, major conferences, but they just kill small conferences. For example, does it help a conference if a 14 win team gets hot for three games and makes the NCAA tournament? No. It'd be better for that conference to send the team that won 20+ games and clearly won the regular season.
As a nitpick, though, Yale has not lost their NCAA chance. Their loss means that they don't win the Ivy League outright and will play Harvard in a one game playoff to determine the bid. Leave it to the smart people at the Ivy League to actually use a system that makes sense.
How did he become the expert of brackets anyway? He starts long before the tournament with brackets than mean nothing and are nowhere to being right. Whats the point? I often wonder how much weight his brackets have when the committee places everyone.
you know what's on the line with these small conference tourneys. It is what it is. Murray's only shot was winning the OVC. EKU played a better record and had better wins than even Murray but their season is done too. I don't think IU or Murray gets in.
Using the conference tournament is an awful way to get the auto bid. IF the OVC only gets one team in, the conference should have the choice of which team to send. The conference tournaments are just a money grab. I mean, all the teams have already played each other. As for the Ivy league, they just don't need the money.
The ONLY advantage that I see to playing in a conference tournament game is just to keep your team from getting rusty.
Zero chance Murray State gets in. They have no quality wins, and got hammered by Xavier and Valpo OOC. They also lost to Belmont, crappy Portland and pathetic Houston.
I was pulling for Murray State hard, but some of you are loco when it comes to your defense/love for a Kentucky college. No logical argument can be made for Murray State getting in.
I was pulling for Murray State hard, but some of you are loco when it comes to your defense/love for a Kentucky college. No logical argument can be made for Murray State getting in.
Why? Because EVERY year a team from the OVC or some other smaller conference knocks off a Vandy, Louisville, Duke, etc... The RPI, SOS, all matters except on the court.
Murray is ranked, has a really good team, marquis player in Payne, tradition...
Murray is ranked, has a really good team, marquis player in Payne, tradition...
Much, much better teams have been left out the Big Dance in the past. Murray State has no one to blame but themselves. I have no sympathy for them not making the NCAA and they could actually maybe do some damage in the NIT.....which is where they belong.
It's an indictment of the polls that they were ranked to begin with. The idea should be to rank the best teams, not merely the best records. Same problem - with more consequences - in college football. Pomeroy has written about this. An example of the mindlessness of poll voting: UK is by universal consensus the best team in the country. Yet, if they lose a fairly meaningless SECT game, they'd likely drop in the polls. No sense....
1. Let's see where they are ranked Monday so that argument is going to be shot to death come Monday around noon CT.
2. Who did they beat all season? EKU, Belmont, TN State in the regular season? Big deal.
3. Yeah, there are upsets every year, but those are one bid leagues you are talking about for the most part. One bid means singular, as in only one team gets in sadly.
Anyone thinking this is a top 25 team or a team deserving of an at large bid is kidding themselves.
He became the expert because you people care so much about him. Hell, people like you think he actually has an effect. There's another hundred people that do brackets, but you people never link to them or complain.
But by the way. None of those other hundred people think Murray state's going to make it either.
If Murray deserves a bid, then so do these teams if they don't win their conference tourneys:
Stephen F. Austin (27-4)
Wofford (26-6)
North Carolina Central (24-6)
Iona (25-7)
Valparaiso (26-5)
Green Bay (24-7)
Louisiana Tech (24-7)
UC Davis (23-5)
OP.....should all those teams be in regardless of what they do in their conference tournament?
Stephen F. Austin (27-4)
Wofford (26-6)
North Carolina Central (24-6)
Iona (25-7)
Valparaiso (26-5)
Green Bay (24-7)
Louisiana Tech (24-7)
UC Davis (23-5)
OP.....should all those teams be in regardless of what they do in their conference tournament?
I think they should reconsider the idea of automatic qualifiers for winning a conference tournament. No way Belmont should get in and Murray not. But, I don't see two teams from that conference. What if South Carolina wins SEC tournament, they steal a bid from someone else. It seems unfair to take a team's entire year and put it on one game (Murray). Having said that, win and you get in. I guess I see both sides.
The OVC could decide to do away with their conference tourney as send their regular season winner if they wish.