If Gran is the man?

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He will be the second best hire, Stoops has made, Marrow is the best. I really do hope it is him. I fell like he will bring energy and an offense most of Us want to see. I have watched a couple of Cincy games this year and they move the football. We have the talent to move the football. He uses the tight ends in his system. He also runs the football. I am not saying we will go 8 & 4, but believe we can go 6 & 6 or 7 & 5. If stoops and Elliot can have a decent defense, I see this happening. Sorry to say, Towles, was a major reason we failed this year on offense. I wish him the best at BC. GO Cats
 
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Yes , Marrow was a great hire. Not sure I would give Towles all the blame for lack of production. When you have two QB's like we had this year and neither can move the team, there is something fundamentally not right with your system. I know Towles #'s weren't great,but did you realize Barker was a mere 1 for 15 in the second half of the Louisville game? Just saying!! Dawson could someday become a great coordinator, but he's not there yet.
 
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frost1

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know Barker has not shown he is the answer yet. His 2 games were not in the best weather conditions. Lot of pressure in Louisville game , considering he had not played but 1 game before the Ville. Sure Towles was not all the problem, but he was a big part of our failure on offense.
 
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He will be the second best hire, Stoops has made, Marrow is the best. I really do hope it is him. I fell like he will bring energy and an offense most of Us want to see. I have watched a couple of Cincy games this year and they move the football. We have the talent to move the football. He uses the tight ends in his system. He also runs the football. I am not saying we will go 8 & 4, but believe we can go 6 & 6 or 7 & 5. If stoops and Elliot can have a decent defense, I see this happening. Sorry to say, Towles, was a major reason we failed this year on offense. I wish him the best at BC. GO Cats
Everybody is thinking gran and it might be.. But I keep thinking how stoops wanted coley when he first was hired..don't know if Miami hired him away from stoops or stoops went a different direction, but I think coley is a strong candidate for the job..jmo
 

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Everybody is thinking gran and it might be.. But I keep thinking how stoops wanted coley when he first was hired..don't know if Miami hired him away from stoops or stoops went a different direction, but I think coley is a strong candidate for the job..jmo

Looking at Miami's offensive production vs Cincinnati's, if Stoops picks Coley, that almost assures me that he's incompetent as a head coach.
 
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I would be shocked if it were not Gran. There is too much buzz around him, and virtually none around anyone else.

If so, I hope CMS simply outsources the offense to him.
 
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Gran is a perfect fit for us I agree ! But we still need a new OL coach or someone like ........GUY MORRIS....to help out....He was the best OL coach that I remember in my 42 yrs. as a fan.............:football::boxing:
 

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Gran is a perfect fit for us I agree ! But we still need a new OL coach or someone like ........GUY MORRIS....to help out....He was the best OL coach that I remember in my 42 yrs. as a fan.............:football::boxing:
I do agree that he did a good job with the oline but he did have some talent to work with.. Jason watts was a very good center,the we had 2 6'8" ot that I forget the names.. I personally think coach Higgins did as good or better,because he didn't have the talent like Morris did IMO... But his recruiting was really bad..
 

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I would be shocked if it were not Gran. There is too much buzz around him, and virtually none around anyone else.

If so, I hope CMS simply outsources the offense to him.

This. Stooops needs to STFU and let Gran coach the offense. I want an offense that plays to win the game, and is innovative. Im sick of this crap offense we have had the past couple years.
 
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I find it hilarious how some people act like they were on the sidelines hearing the conversations between Stoops and Dawson. People love to claim knowledge they have no way of possessing. They make claims but when you ask them to provide proof of those claims they simply sputter stupid.
 
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I find it hilarious how some people act like they were on the sidelines hearing the conversations between Stoops and Dawson. People love to claim knowledge they have no way of possessing. They make claims but when you ask them to provide proof of those claims they simply sputter stupid.
Ex: Vandy game. Stoops and Dawson have a conversation right before a play was about to go off. Stoops makes a mad dash to the referee to call a time out b/c he presumably didn't like the play call.

The play happened to be Drew Barker's TD pass....thankfully the timeout wasn't called.

Either way - there clearly was a disconnect between Stoops and Dawson. The fact that Dawson is gone after 1 year validates that and is PROOF enough.
 

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Ex: Vandy game. Stoops and Dawson have a conversation right before a play was about to go off. Stoops makes a mad dash to the referee to call a time out b/c he presumably didn't like the play call.

The play happened to be Drew Barker's TD pass....thankfully the timeout wasn't called.

Either way - there clearly was a disconnect between Stoops and Dawson. The fact that Dawson is gone after 1 year validates that and is PROOF enough.
Actually that is not proof, that is an assumption and even if correct it's an assumption about one play. If I was an OC whose first offense regressed as much as Kentucky did this year with the same players basically running the same offense I would want to place blame somewhere else for the sake of my career also.
 

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Theories are numerous, looked like Dawson lost the confidence of the offense and CMS caught on slowly. Noticed that on occasions where Dawson and CMS were shown "discussing" pivotal plays CMS seemed to be doing all the talking, especially towards the end of the season.
 

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Theories are numerous, looked like Dawson lost the confidence of the offense and CMS caught on slowly. Noticed that on occasions where Dawson and CMS were shown "discussing" pivotal plays CMS seemed to be doing all the talking, especially towards the end of the season.
Yeah it wasn't like the season had been a booming success at that point but the Vandy game is when the wheels came off it seems. It is kind of amazing it took that long with the EKU debacle and the Boom quit drama show. All in all a very disappointing year and an offense that regressed. It strikes me as funny that people try to pin the blame on Stoops for the offense regressing. I think the only thing that can be blamed on Stoops was his selection of Shannon Dawson to start with.
 
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Morris loves UK, his work are help with OL coaching would bring big dividends.......I think he would fit well with are coaches......he really knows how to motivate young men.......:football::clap:.......give him a shot Mark Stoops....:boxing:
 

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I know it may be a long shot, but I am filling out the application for OC. I do not have any experience at this level but figured I could call plays of run up the gut on 1st down, run up gut on 2nd down and throw an option pass on 3rd down. Rinse and repeat. Once a half we will try a shot down the field on 2nd down.Worth a shot I only require an annual salary of 75-85 thousand so I can save the University some money.
 
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I know it may be a long shot, but I am filling out the application for OC. I do not have any experience at this level but figured I could call plays of run up the gut on 1st down, run up gut on 2nd down and throw an option pass on 3rd down. Rinse and repeat. Once a half we will try a shot down the field on 2nd down.Worth a shot I only require an annual salary of 75-85 thousand so I can save the University some money.

Whoa, whoa... you forgot the tried and true Kentucky offense: A deep pass on first down, overthrow the pass, and then run a dive or draw play on second down for no gain. Sack on third down. Excellent punt.
 
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Actually that is not proof, that is an assumption and even if correct it's an assumption about one play. If I was an OC whose first offense regressed as much as Kentucky did this year with the same players basically running the same offense I would want to place blame somewhere else for the sake of my career also.
No that actually did happen, now when someone provides proof it's not proof enough? Lol man no matter what you don't lose do you? That did happen though stoops was frantically trying to call a time out and we scored a TD on the same play. It was know hilarious I think dawson was a horrible coordinator but he made stoops look real dumb on that play.
 
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Yeah it wasn't like the season had been a booming success at that point but the Vandy game is when the wheels came off it seems. It is kind of amazing it took that long with the EKU debacle and the Boom quit drama show. All in all a very disappointing year and an offense that regressed. It strikes me as funny that people try to pin the blame on Stoops for the offense regressing. I think the only thing that can be blamed on Stoops was his selection of Shannon Dawson to start with.

Oh wow. This strikes me as beyond hilarious that you claim stoops isn't to blame and the only blame he should get is for his selection of Dawson. Which to me is enough to place all the blame on stoops for making such an inept decision by hiring him in the first place. Stoops hired the guy, so yes he deserves ALL OF THE BLAME for the offense regressing. He hired the guy and the guy sucked. Who's fault is that? Stoops for a very poor lack of judgement. Some of you look at stoops as if he does nothing wrong and deserves no blame and it's straight comedy!!
 
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ageit

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Stoops hired him, yes. A staff building mistake or so it seems. I think he learns a valuable lesson and I bet he won't make the same mistake again. He has a solid pedigree for coaching, can't argue otherwise. Learning the administrative lesson the hard way with this situation.
 

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No that actually did happen, now when someone provides proof it's not proof enough? Lol man no matter what you don't lose do you? That did happen though stoops was frantically trying to call a time out and we scored a TD on the same play. It was know hilarious I think dawson was a horrible coordinator but he made stoops look real dumb on that play.

Man you really are stretching beyond reality here. If you go back and read his post you will come across the word---presumably. Presumptions are not proof, any high school graduate should know that. So neither he, nor you, nor I, know what was said or why. This is the same game where we had the ball 1st and goal from the one and from the four yard line only to score zero points. Need I say more?
 

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Oh wow. This strikes me as beyond hilarious that you claim stoops isn't to blame and the only blame he should get is for his selection of Dawson. Which to me is enough to place all the blame on stoops for making such an inept decision by hiring him in the first place. Stoops hired the guy, so yes he deserves ALL OF THE BLAME for the offense regressing. He hired the guy and the guy sucked. Who's fault is that? Stoops for a very poor lack of judgement. Some of you look at stoops as if he does nothing wrong and deserves no blame and it's straight comedy!!

All the blame for the hiring or for the sucking? That is the question. Actually Stoops was not the only person who believe it to be a good hire, as a matter of fact it was highly praised by a lot of very knowledgeable people on the SEC network before the season. But of course those people predictions and expectations, their expertise pales in comparison to your 20-20 hindsight.

Here's a news flash for you---people make mistakes all the time. Everybody does--- even you. The thing that makes the difference is do people learn from their mistakes and correct them.
 
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Man you really are stretching beyond reality here. If you go back and read his post you will come across the word---presumably. Presumptions are not proof, any high school graduate should know that. So neither he, nor you, nor I, know what was said or why. This is the same game where we had the ball 1st and goal from the one and from the four yard line only to score zero points. Need I say more?
That did happen though, the announcers during the game even mentioned stoops trying to call a timeout right there.
 
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All the blame for the hiring or for the sucking? That is the question. Actually Stoops was not the only person who believe it to be a good hire, as a matter of fact it was highly praised by a lot of very knowledgeable people on the SEC network before the season. But of course those people predictions and expectations, their expertise pales in comparison to your 20-20 hindsight.

Here's a news flash for you---people make mistakes all the time. Everybody does--- even you. The thing that makes the difference is do people learn from their mistakes and correct them.
I've never seen this kind of mountain of mistakes to learn from like the one stoops has created for himself. Besides recruiting he really hasn't done anything right. He's had 3 years to learn from these mistakes, and last year they seemed to be at an all time high. Not a good trajectory.
 

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I think hiring gran would be a home run hire for stoops. Having a good veteran coach with his resume is exactly what we need. Other than improving the offense, it will be great to have someone on the staff that is as knowledgeable on special teams as he is.
 
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I think hiring gran would be a home run hire for stoops. Having a good veteran coach with his resume is exactly what we need. Other than improving the offense, it will be great to have someone on the staff that is as knowledgeable on special teams as he is.
Yea ain't it horrible having a bunch of people that don't know special teams trying to coach 1/3 of the game by committee? It's like why have coaches coach 1/3rd of a football game if they don't know how to? I swear special teams matters but these coaches act like it don't. Gotta be one of the more mind boggling decisions this staff has made out of the many horrifying coaching decisions that have been made.
 

Woodrow24

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Yea ain't it horrible having a bunch of people that don't know special teams trying to coach 1/3 of the game by committee? It's like why have coaches coach 1/3rd of a football game if they don't know how to? I swear special teams matters but these coaches act like it don't. Gotta be one of the more mind boggling decisions this staff has made out of the many horrifying coaching decisions that have been made.
Yeah, I know what you mean. I just hope that stoops hires gran because he is a veteran coach with a ton of experience in areas that the current staff are lacking in. I haven't agreed with a lot of decisions that stoops has made and I hope that he does a better job next season.
 

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I've never seen this kind of mountain of mistakes to learn from like the one stoops has created for himself. Besides recruiting he really hasn't done anything right. He's had 3 years to learn from these mistakes, and last year they seemed to be at an all time high. Not a good trajectory.
You should apply for the job.