If I were Roy...
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I selfishly hope we have 10 more years of K and Roy roaming the sidelines, however unlikely that may be.
I just think the drama is coming to a head with the scandal, and I think I would want to be out of it if I were him.
I agree w/you. I think there is a realistic chance he's coached his last game. (I hope not because I enjoy the rivalry so much and K does well against him!).
However I think there's a serious chance of sanctions, and I cannot see Roy coaching during such a crisis. No way I can ever imagine him lasting on the sidelines all season staring a post season ban in the face.
Before you say nothing is going to happen, think of the way the national media (print media) turned up the heat on UNC this weekend over the scandal....
Also, in an unusual twist of irony I think UNC gets LESS SYMPATHY now from the COI since ol Roy APPARENTLY finally won a legit title.... Stay tuned....Be an interesting off season...
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It's wishful thinking to believe anything of significance will happen to them.
hof coach roy williams is not going to retire until Coach K retires and may a year or so after. Let me say this though, if he does retire look out. Something is coming down that he doesn't want to go through. I still believe unc will get off scott free but if he does retire there is a reason besides he wants to spend time with family. This may make thr's DI quote list. OFC
LOL no. Every title they have won since 2005 will be tainted, even long after the scandal is over. I'd say at least 90% of UNC's players this season's main reason for even coming to UNC is because of all the titles they've won and all the NBA players that came from the school. Had UNC played fair academically these last two decades, I would be shocked if even a fourth of this year's UNC team were part of it. Honestly the same could be said of players from other seasons as well. UNC would not have become the top school that they are if they had "played fair" all these years. Duke would have an entirely different rivalry by now.
If UNC hadn't delayed and was punished years ago, these players would have also skipped going there so that they could actually play post season. Even if they lose titles, people will still remember those seasons and how great UNC was even if players were not eligible and they'll still want to play for them. So like I said, the moment that UNC won the national title with ineligible players, they forever deemed their future titles as illegitimate.
Oh and I love hearing all about this whole Redemption thing for UNC. People claim it's redemption for last year but let's be honest. It's actually redemption for Duke catching up and being the better team these last few years.
I would retire right away. Stay ahead of the scandal, retire with a title. He has plenty of money... might as well retire and enjoy it.
If I were Roy...I'd turn down the championship because that puts him ahead of Saint Dean. And we know Dean didn't care about wins, or championships (ask the Heel fans), only about the love and the Tar Heel family. So Roy, return the love, and turn it down.
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If this is SO TRUE why have AD Bubba Cunningham and ACC Comm John Swofford spoke out in THEIR OPPOSITION to SEC Comm Greg Sankey as chair of the Committee on Infractions which will eventually get the case????? You may be right, but I do not believe they are just speaking out to hear themselves talk.
The NATIONAL print media seems to be turning more AGAINST UNC getting off light as well. In addition UNC has every reason to be worried w/Sankey at the helm. Tar Heels path to title included controversial officiating in wins over Arkansas and Kentucky. They may escape unscathed, but there's too many variables at stake to call it "wishful thinking."
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The way I look at it is if there's no way they're going to get punished like so many believe, even here on these boards, then why would UNC put all this effort towards delaying and everything, spending over 18 million dollars? You know the school has to know a lot more about what's going on than we do, so for them to know all that they do and act this way does not seem like a school that's about to get away with it would act.
Exactly, plus they have trotted out instructor (ha,ha) actually former hoops secretary Deborah Crowder to say these classes were legit.This is AFTER CHANCELLOR CAROL FOLT ACKNOWLEDGED academic fraud immediately after the Wainstein Report. Do not forget the 3rd AND MOST RECENT NOA noted Mens Basketball in its report. This was a switcheroo after MENS BASKETBALL was not named as benefitting from academic fraud in 2nd NOA.
If the COI was ruling AFTER the 2nd NOA, I WOULD say it was merely "wishful thinking" anything of consequence would happen.
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Maybe not but it might be more than he can handle if his program is punished. I don't think he has what it takes to see his program get what it deserves especially if they start vacating titles and taking away wins. But pisgah you know just as well as I do that nothing, absolutely is going to happen to that program. If the powers that be have not spent enough already there's more money to be found. unc also has lot's of important friends of the program and if all is brought to light there will be people who are held in high esteem whose character and integrity will take a hit. What do you think gonna happen to our honorable ACC commissioner who was athletic directer when most of this was going on. Haven't heard a word from him or any question from anyone about his involvement have we. It's a lot of dirt and the rug is big enough to cover it but we all know it happened. #royknew, #swoffordknew #deanknew, #billknew, #mattknew #theyallknew but it doesn't matter. The NCAA is making a friendly knock on the door but they are intimidated by the power of unc. The end result will be much stricter rules for schools but starting right now and unc will just get the grandfather rule. OFC
Sky I beg to differ...Greg Sankey is no lightweight on the totem pole of big time college athletics. I am not guaranteeing punishment, but the irony is Roy could be the first to win one and lose two in the same year....
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You don't know how much I hope you are right hart But Greg Stankey may end up like mccants in that all of a sudden we don't hear from him again about the scandal and I'm not saying he would take a bribe or be put in harms way but it may be in his best interest and the best interest of collegiate athletics to back off and just let this thing just fade away. This is much bigger than we can conceive and just like the government there are some things that we just don't need to know. OFC
Sky I just can't buy into it. As its been said: "The most egregious academic scandal in history." No way should we back away when you think of the hundreds of illegitimate UNC wins, misguided educations AND inconsistent punishments handed out by the NCAA- ie, crushing smaller schools for far less...I shudder to think if Duke was in the exact same position the heat would be brought upon the school to bring the university to its knees.....
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Yes if it were Duke or anyone else I would agree but it's unc. UK,KU,UCLA all the big time schools would go down but not unc. Believe me they have the right people in place to decide the final word. The NCAA has to make an effort but it's like a cop knocking on a drug dealer's door and asking " you don't have any illegal drugs in there do you sir ?" "Of course not official , why would you think that?" "Sorry I bothered you sir." OFC
They do have alums in all the rite places from ESPN to Big Ten to ACC, but the "PUSH BACK" they are getting is REAL, and not going away anytime soon-hope national media continues to chirp:
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_58e2ac18e4b03a26a3652cf6?
Check out @JonHeyman's Tweet:
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Like I said I hope you are right but you used a key word and that is chirp. It's gonna take a roar. OFC
I remember in one of the old scandal threads by DevilDJ, there were articles and tweets at one point talking about how if UNC doesn't get real punishment that several of the schools who did far less but still were punished by NCAA were going to be pursuing legal action against NCAA and make them regret their decision.
Oh and on a lighter note, if UNC does skate by with no punishment, I propose that we start referring to the NCAA as the UNCAA. Make sure that becomes a trend publicly to really needle both UNC, their fans, and the NCAA lol.
Oh and on a lighter note, if UNC does skate by with no punishment, I propose that we start referring to the NCAA as the UNCAA. Make sure that becomes a trend publicly to really needle both UNC, their fans, and the NCAA lol.
The NCAA has to do something. Otherwise why not just end it now? Or last week? Or last YEAR? What's the point of the drama to stretch it out if nuthin' will be done? Look at the scrutiny ( negative , I might add ) that all of 'em took this week...the NCAA , unx and Roy. Still expecting a wristslap but a wristslap imo includes ( at least! ) a one year post-season ban. Hell , they just allowed unx to participate in a tourney they had no business being in...2nd straight year too. Even gave 'em a title. Geez Louise , even unx should be grateful if a year is ALL they get. Plus I doubt banners come down so the NCAA can hand down a season and act like they did something significant. Anyway , I say Roy stays UNLESS they get that ban. He's too ego-driven to stand over there and coach what to him would be a meaningless season. He'd have to take questions about it all year. No way he does that.
From what I have read it's unc who keeps delaying it. They asked for another extension from the NOA this past December so to me the NCAA is coming down hard. They mentioned men's basketball this past December and now unc wants a extension because they know the response has to be good. So with this being said. When unc response soon within couple weeks then the next step is for the NCAA to schedule a infractions hearing and then son after punishments are made. Is this true so we are looking mabye 3-4 months before we know
I honestly think k goes b4 Roy..k strikes me as I'm going out on top giving 100% of his all not even 99%
It is. No need to regurgitate the details in this thread but you're 100% correct. Any notion that it's the fault of the NCAA is flat-out wrong. unx coulda ended it pretty much anytime they wanted. That woulda meant self-sanctioning though and that ain't ever happening. Not now anyway. Not after all this time and all this money.
I agree that since its taken 3 or however many years of back and forth from the NCAA and UnCheat that it will end badly for the cheats. Too much time and money invested by the NCAA not to see some serious sanctions taken against Roy and his boyz. 1 title is taken away and possibly/hopefully 2. The NCAA has too much face to lose not to be fierce on the Cheats. Better days are ahead for us in this rivalry hatred of the despicable cheats of the universe.
Haha if they lose any titles, I can see the claims of redemption afterwards. It'll be like noooo, you guys aren't going for redemption when you lost titles you cheated for. The redemption is for every team that should have beat a subpar UNC instead of the ineligible teams you put on the floor every year.