If Stoops can't do it......

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Not sure how many remember the all knowing Matt Jones saying if Stoops can't do it, he's not sure it can be done. I'm paraphrasing but something close to this.

Will be interesting to hear his take after this.
 

loublue22_rivals308424

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It was a valid comment I think at the time

There are a few guys out there who might be able to get this program where we all want it to be, but they all have better jobs already. This is as low as the program has ever been, and it will only get worse.
 
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mkasten25

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Im sorry but I still defend the hire- coordinator at a top 10 program. great recruiter. If his RESUME cant do it, then no ones will.
 

TBCat

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It's one of Matt's weakness. He's not a great football guy. He was using basketball logic and judging it totally on recruiting. If you look at football schools that aren't used to winning that suddenly start winning they don't do so by out recruiting the Alabama's and Ohio State's. They start winning by getting the most out of every player they have. 2 star player play like 4 star players and so on. We've never seen Stoops develop players. From the moment MJ said that I knew he was wrong but again his experience is more basketball centric. And that's probably a true statement in basketball but it's not in football. Recruiting is about 40% of building a program in my opinion. Player development is much more than recruiting.
 

Xception

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The only way to be anything other than miserable is to realize what the program has always been and will most likely always be .
 

numberonedad

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The SEC isn't an entry level position. I said when the joke was fired we need to steal a MAC HEAD COACH or a mountain west conference HEAD COACH. no more asst! These guys have been in over there heads since DAY ONE.
 
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K_TIME

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Im sorry but I still defend the hire- coordinator at a top 10 program. great recruiter. If his RESUME cant do it, then no ones will.
Geez...so you base this off of 1 HC that was an assistant that failed at UK? Was Brooks a failure? Vandy comes up with James Franklin. Miss St comes up with Dan Mullen. UL has found Strong and Petrino.

UK just needs to hire coaches and not keep bad ones around forever.
 

Ugoff

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Hey it was a reasonable comment at the time. After all, Stoops had such a stellar head coaching resume.
 

katwest

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A lot of smart people say you need a coach with head caching experience to run a team, coordinators aren't able to do it at schools like Kentucky. Then again I'm not sure it can be done, outside of two or three years every decade we have been bad. Now we have what experts say is the best 4 years of recruiting ever put together at Kentucky and we see more of the same. Kentucky fans are resilient, they endure more heartbreaking losses and more odd things going wrong in a game than any teams fans in the history of college football. We deserve better than that, the other team in the state better thank goodness they play in the ACC, they have made a living playing inferior competition. I don't know what the answer is but I'm sick of losing.
 

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i just dont get why people think legit coaches want to come here. its kentucky football...from the outset you are dumpster diving for coaches.
 

WildcatofNati

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The SEC isn't an entry level position. I said when the joke was fired we need to steal a MAC HEAD COACH or a mountain west conference HEAD COACH. no more asst! These guys have been in over there heads since DAY ONE.
Except that James Franklin proved otherwise and so did Mullen and so will Smart and there are many other examples. Except that successful midmajor coaches fail again and again in the big time. Coordinators and small school coaches fail at an equal rate. Find a way to get a power coach, if it can be done.
 

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You will never convince me that the right coach can't win at Kentucky. When I say win, I ,mean winning 7-8 games a year and going 4-4 in the SEC, Occasionally winning 9-10 or having a losing record on the opposite side. Most importantly, play competitive football and don't get blown out. Stoops has shown Kentucky can recruit skilled players, but it starts and stops with the line. Either we need coaches who can coach players up or someone who can actually bring in good recruits for the line. Especially for the defensive line. What is disheartening is that Stoops and Elliot are supposed to be defensive coaches. Before people say it can't be done, how does Louisville do it?Their defensive line always seem to at least draw even with the lines of good ACC and SEC teams. Stoops has coached over 35 games and in my mind hasn't shown that he is an SEC coach. The question for Barnhart, where do we go from here. Are you going to stay with Stoops and hope he improves or do you cut your losses if the right coach comes along and more importantly you can get him to come to Kentucky. At this point, I honestly don't know, but damn this isn't fun in any form or fashion.
 
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Except that James Franklin proved otherwise and so did Mullen and so will Smart and there are many other examples. Except that successful midmajor coaches fail again and again in the big time. Coordinators and small school coaches fail at an equal rate. Find a way to get a power coach, if it can be done.

james franklin....lol
 

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i just dont get why people think legit coaches want to come here. its kentucky football...from the outset you are dumpster diving for coaches.

I don't know. Why do schools like West Virginia or Louisville continually attract good coaches? Why did South Carolina attract Lou Holtz and then Spurrier? They were barely above UK when Holtz originally took over.
 

dallasg23

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All any coach at uk has to do for life time employment is win 6 games. It can be done. Rich did it. We have seen it done
 

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I don't know. Why do schools like West Virginia or Louisville continually attract good coaches? Why did South Carolina attract Lou Holtz and then Spurrier? They were barely above UK when Holtz originally took over.

uk is the worst or 2nd worst program in the hardest league. why do other schools have better luck...because they arent kentucky.
 

ukdesi

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uk is the worst or 2nd worst program in the hardest league. why do other schools have better luck...because they arent kentucky.

Yeah...ACC and Big 12 are harder than the SEC this year. SEC East has been pretty mediocre for a while.
 

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I thought it was a valid take at the time. Top coordinator at a great program, great recruiter, young staff willing to work their tale off, Stoops family tree.

And it's just been a failure.
 
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WildcatofNati

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he will be fired this year...we should go get him. he has sucked *** at psu, they hate him, but i'm sure he will kill it here
Based on what he did at Vandy, of all places, I WOULD get him. I sure would trade his results at Vandy for any results we've had since since 1977. And he did it, not at Florida or Alabama, or LSU; he did it at VANDY.
 
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numberonedad

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he most certainly will. and whoever hires him will be glad they did
I don't think so.Named by the law firm that investigated the sexual assaults as one of the coaches that took no action. If you were president of a university would you hire him? Baylor will be paying out millions in lawsuits