If we had not shot threes at all would we have won?

catfanlou

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That’s thirteen extra possessions.

actually in view of the fact no one on this team except Chandler and Noah can shoot threes I would design my offense that way . No one else could shoot threes unless there was less than five seconds on the shot clock.
 
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That’s thirteen extra possessions.

actually in view of the fact no one on this team except Chandler and Noah can shoot threes I would design my offense that way . No one else could shoot threes unless there was less than five seconds on the shot clock.

Maybe lol. Then again that's saying it in hindsight. I mean on the season we are dead on the national average of 33.6. The previous game we shot 50% and made 15 of them.
 

OleTiredBum

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That’s thirteen extra possessions.

actually in view of the fact no one on this team except Chandler and Noah can shoot threes I would design my offense that way . No one else could shoot threes unless there was less than five seconds on the shot clock.
my offense at this point would be Nintendo
 

katwest

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We couldn’t hit twos or threes, you could feel the flo of the game and see that we were going to struggle to score the whole second half.
 

champagnecat

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Asking hypothetical questions about a game in which we lost to a DREADFUL UNC team just about sums up our program in 2025
 
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It might have helped that we played basically a high school team.

I suspect we'll have more shooting performances like that against even good teams in conference.

We'll also have games where we can't hit like last night.

Things like this are always in hindsight tho. It's not something in game that people really care about. No team misses their first five shots and thinks oh we definitely should not take anymore threes this game.........because for all they know, the next five could go in.

Team's an average shooting 3 point team. I figure they will be average going forward as well.
 
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*Fox2Monk*

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That’s thirteen extra possessions.

actually in view of the fact no one on this team except Chandler and Noah can shoot threes I would design my offense that way . No one else could shoot threes unless there was less than five seconds on the shot clock.
The fact we even have to ask if a Pope offense would be better off shooting no threes is total BS and ridiculous.
 
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UKAlum84

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I think Caleb Wilson is a better player than most of us realize. He got a double-double, and our team was just playing with no inspiration. Total crap and we still lost by 3 points.
 

mash_24

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The offensive rebounds we gave up were the killer. They got up I think 11 more shots than us even though we turned them over 5 more times than they did us. Someone, anyone has to help Moreno on the glass.
 

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I think Caleb Wilson is a better player than most of us realize. He got a double-double, and our team was just playing with no inspiration. Total crap and we still lost by 3 points.
Chose the better team to obviously
 
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Adding to what another poster said, is is much easier to hit 3's when you have no pressure in easy games.

Overall yeah but on a game by game basis you aren't going to know in game whether you are going to go 1-13 or 6-13 until the game is actually over.

So it's silly to say oh if we just didn't take a three we'd have won the game.

I mean in a close game you can basically say that about just anything.

IF they didn't rebound 48% of their misses, we win the game.
If they went 4-20 from 3 instead of 6-20 we win the game.
IF we made two MORE 2 point FGs, we win the game.

etc

We took 13 threes last night. The lowest amount of 3 point shots we've taken in a game up to that point was more than twice that at 25.

We clearly saw we weren't hitting and adjusted.

It's just a pointless thing to say because no one is "not taking a three".

We aren't a horrible 3 point shooting team either.
 
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aknaya1

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Overall yeah but on a game by game basis you aren't going to know in game whether you are going to go 1-13 or 6-13 until the game is actually over.

So it's silly to say oh if we just didn't take a three we'd have won the game.

I mean in a close game you can basically say that about just anything.

IF they didn't rebound 48% of their misses, we win the game.
If they went 4-20 from 3 instead of 6-20 we win the game.
IF we made two MORE 2 point FGs, we win the game.

etc

We took 13 threes last night. The lowest amount of 3 point shots we've taken in a game up to that point was more than twice that at 25.

We clearly saw we weren't hitting and adjusted.

It's just a pointless thing to say because no one is "not taking a three".

We aren't a horrible 3 point shooting team either.
The argument to shoot fewer 3s has merit. Against Power 5 opponents we've shot 55% from 2 and 26% from 3. Separating Power 5 from other competition is reasonable given the large difference in talent, athleticism, size, and length.

I don't think you can eliminate the 3-point shot entirely - teams would pack the paint and our 2PT shooting would probably crater. But there's a strong case for limiting it to 10-15 attempts per game, taking 3s only in specific situations: transition, end of shot clock, inside-out offense when the defense collapses. The key is avoiding early shot-clock 3s.

It's worth noting that even our best shooters (35% overall) drop to around 30% against Power 5 teams (0.90 points per possession), which is still below our 2PT efficiency of 1.10 PPP. So even selective shooting from our better shooters still favors 2s in these matchups.

We somewhat executed this vs UNC, but statistical variance hurt us - going 1-13 instead of the expected 3-4 makes may have cost us the win. And that's actually part of the point: at 26%, you're already playing with fire on variance. The fewer attempts, the less it can swing games against you.

This all translates to an identity: bully ball, selective 3s in high-value situations, and using our depth to increase tempo (easier 2s in transition) while creating defensive pressure to wear opponents down. Play to our strengths, minimize our weaknesses, and control what we can control.
 
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The argument to shoot fewer 3s has merit. Against Power 5 opponents we've shot 55% from 2 and 26% from 3. Separating Power 5 from other competition is reasonable given the large difference in talent, athleticism, size, and length.

I don't think you can eliminate the 3-point shot entirely - teams would pack the paint and our 2PT shooting would probably crater. But there's a strong case for limiting it to 10-15 attempts per game, taking 3s only in specific situations: transition, end of shot clock, inside-out offense when the defense collapses. The key is avoiding early shot-clock 3s.

It's worth noting that even our best shooters (35% overall) drop to around 30% against Power 5 teams (0.90 points per possession), which is still below our 2PT efficiency of 1.10 PPP. So even selective shooting from our better shooters still favors 2s in these matchups.

We somewhat executed this vs UNC, but statistical variance hurt us - going 1-13 instead of the expected 3-4 makes may have cost us the win. And that's actually part of the point: at 26%, you're already playing with fire on variance. The fewer attempts, the less it can swing games against you.

This all translates to an identity: bully ball, selective 3s in high-value situations, and using our depth to increase tempo (easier 2s in transition) while creating defensive pressure to wear opponents down. Play to our strengths, minimize our weaknesses, and control what we can control.

How many power conference games have we played?

Why aren't you using career three point shooting % for the guys that have played a ton of college games already (or just using their numbers vs power conference teams would suffice).

I mean your assuming we are going to continue to shoot 26% vs power 5 conference teams when making this argument and that just doesn't hold any water at all. I don't think this is a great 3 point shooting team and I think that Pope needs to adapt as a guy that likes to take a ton of them. But I think to say we shouldn'tt take any at all is a bit silly as the OP was suggesting. You know what happens with that? We take 100% twos, the defense knows this and adjusts and our 2 point FG% also fades. There's a bit of game theory with this. Even poor 3 point shooting teams need to take some. You can't just assume here that if UK didn't take those 13 threes (already a low number), that it wouldnt have affected our 2 point FG%. We could have shot zero threes and still lost.

If we shot that poorly from 3 an entire season vs good teams, this argument is kind of pointless anyways because UK will not be making even the NCAA tournament at that rate.

Also I think there's this fallacy on the board about there being this major difference between cupcake city and conference teams but in reality if you compare what teams do from 3, it doesn't vary a whole lot. Leading more credence to the whole "offense controls 3 point FG% more than defenses do".

If you are a good shooting team from 3, you are going to be regardless of competition.

Last year we shot 37.5% on the season.
In conference play we shot 39.9%,

That was against a historically good SEC. We shot better as the comp got better, not worse.

What about 2024
40.9% on the season
41.1% in the SEC.

This belief about because it was done vs weaker teams and that meaning something just isn't remotely true.
 
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MSU came into our game shooting less than 30% from 3.

If they didn't take 22 of them (and make 11 of them), they don't beat us.
 

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UKSanders

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The problem was a several of them were really good looks, so it wasn’t like the ezceptional UNC defense was creating all the missed shots.

Soo…again, make even 2 more of them for 3/13, and that is still a subpar (just not absolutely atrocious) shooting night of 25%, and the game is likely a win.
 

aknaya1

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How many power conference games have we played?

Why aren't you using career three point shooting % for the guys that have played a ton of college games already (or just using their numbers vs power conference teams would suffice).

I mean your assuming we are going to continue to shoot 26% vs power 5 conference teams when making this argument and that just doesn't hold any water at all. I don't think this is a great 3 point shooting team and I think that Pope needs to adapt as a guy that likes to take a ton of them. But I think to say we shouldn'tt take any at all is a bit silly as the OP was suggesting. You know what happens with that? We take 100% twos, the defense knows this and adjusts and our 2 point FG% also fades. There's a bit of game theory with this. Even poor 3 point shooting teams need to take some. You can't just assume here that if UK didn't take those 13 threes (already a low number), that it wouldnt have affected our 2 point FG%. We could have shot zero threes and still lost.

If we shot that poorly from 3 an entire season vs good teams, this argument is kind of pointless anyways because UK will not be making even the NCAA tournament at that rate.

Also I think there's this fallacy on the board about there being this major difference between cupcake city and conference teams but in reality if you compare what teams do from 3, it doesn't vary a whole lot. Leading more credence to the whole "offense controls 3 point FG% more than defenses do".

If you are a good shooting team from 3, you are going to be regardless of competition.

Last year we shot 37.5% on the season.
In conference play we shot 39.9%,

That was against a historically good SEC. We shot better as the comp got better, not worse.

What about 2024
40.9% on the season
41.1% in the SEC.

This belief about because it was done vs weaker teams and that meaning something just isn't remotely true.
We've played 3 power conference games so far, so small sample size, but my argument was to take 10-15 3s a game not 0 --my hypothesis was different than the OP -- so not sure if you read my post or not (although you responded to it). So if you take all games, we are shooting 33% -- using your logic, even if we trend to that number vs power 5 teams, it doesn't change the strategy much. So instead of 10-15 3s a game, maybe 15-20 3s a game, but the rest of analysis on UK's high 2 pt efficiency so far, minimizing early shot clock 3s, and using our depth to increase defensive pressure, tempo, possessions, etc. all remain the same.