I'll give you a little outside perspective...

[cmhawks99]

A little devils advocate if you will....I know you are mad, I know you "think" you know whats wrong. But its never ONE person that loses you a football game. And more interesting than that, you aren't unique..during the season I avoid our board like the plague, why?!?! Because I get tired of the mean hateful crap people say about coaches and players.

But I do read other boards. After every single loss on EVERY board the fans pick a scapegoat and that's their guy. Often times the "scapegoat" has actually had GREAT success elsewhere, or even "here" but that doesn't matter to them....they are incensed and they honestly say such laughably stupid things its hard not too.... well...laugh.

I rewatched the game because I work Saturdays. Here is the Truth. I've always liked Oklahoma and the Big 12 but your defensive numbers in their current iteration are NOT going to look like they do in other leagues. They just aren't. And quite frankly your Total-D numbers are quite solid still.

Here are some obvious things your Stoops" hate has blinded you of.....

A couple questionable and "stupid" penalties extended ISU drives....

Your tackling is quite poor and this is a trend in college and NFL football so it can't all be blamed on Coach Stoops...

Your Offense scored 7 points in the 2nd half vs a D that gave up 30 to Iowa?!?!?1 Guess who Iowa's fans typical hate....?!?!? Their OC's, doesn't matter who it is......

I know some won't, can't, will never agree with this, but sports isn't played in a vacuum. Its on both units, etc to feed off of and build into each other. You all think your OC is awesome right now along with Coach Riley (that will likely change it always does) but they too had their failings.

PS...I'm not against ISU either, I'm against this ridiculous irrational, unfounded hate. Some of these fans are going after coaches who have won OC/DC of the year awards and now suddenly they think they suck. I can only hope people get treated that poorly at their own jobs....think about it. Its pretty crappy really.

Here is too hoping you recover and win by 4 TD's this weekend. Why....?!?! Because Texas fans are just as irrational and they could use some perspective......LOL Right now they are back to Tom Herman for president.....doh!!!

 

[iasooner1]

Nicely done hawk; from one 'hater of patronage & nepotism' to another...
Great dose of reality that happens almost universally !

 

[cmhawks99]

Nicely done hawk; from one 'hater of patronage & nepotism' to another...
Great dose of reality that happens almost universally !

It literally happens on EVERY single board. Sometimes while a team is "undressing" one of their own, I've found fans on another board coveting said coach. You honestly can't make it up its so crazy....

 

[cmhawks99]

Just finished the game...I forgot about the unsportsmanlike penalty on the last drive. Also Lazard beat press coverage, then the CB stumbled, yet the safety came over the top and and he was double teamed and made an AWESOME catch. He did it vs Iowa as well. At the end of the game we beat him on the same play, but honestly, that's on the PLAYERS not the coach.

Quite frankly Iowa St is drastically underappreciated right now and that spread was waaaaaayyyyy out of line. 14, sure but not 30.

 

[iasooner1]

Sometimes I visit hawkeyereport when I need a 'wakeup jolt'. That one is vastly more 'active' than this freeloader's venue & has some great comic relief

 

[anon_5z68cgtvj4ggn]

Immediately after the game I put the loss on the offense and as I thought about it through the rest of the weekend while reading this board I stayed with that thought. The defense is what it is and has been for many years. The offense knows it has to carry the weight and win the games and to only score 7 points in the second half is unacceptable. There was the fumble inside the five yard line, the missed field goal, and Baker trying to play hero ball. That's what cost us the game. We should never send Seibert out for a 40 plus yard field goal on 4th and 4 or less. We have a better chance of picking up the first down than making the kick. For whatever reason he has not lived up to the hype. And Baker repeatedly held the ball too long trying to make the spectacular play instead of making the 4-5 yard pass to wide open receivers. Had he taken the easy plays and let those guys run with the ball who knows what might have happened. He needs to decide if he's playing to win a championship or playing to win the Heisman. The defense was the defense, nothing changed. What was different was the poor offensive play and that's what cost us the game.

 

[cmhawks99]

Immediately after the game I put the loss on the offense and as I thought about it through the rest of the weekend while reading this board I stayed with that thought. The defense is what it is and has been for many years. The offense knows it has to carry the weight and win the games and to only score 7 points in the second half is unacceptable. There was the fumble inside the five yard line, the missed field goal, and Baker trying to play hero ball. That's what cost us the game. We should never send Seibert out for a 40 plus yard field goal on 4th and 4 or less. We have a better chance of picking up the first down than making the kick. For whatever reason he has not lived up to the hype. And Baker repeatedly held the ball too long trying to make the spectacular play instead of making the 4-5 yard pass to wide open receivers. Had he taken the easy plays and let those guys run with the ball who knows what might have happened. He needs to decide if he's playing to win a championship or playing to win the Heisman. The defense was the defense, nothing changed. What was different was the poor offensive play and that's what cost us the game.

Very insightful. Agreed and you weren't mean-spirited about it either. A handful of significant drops as well. Now FWIW that happens in seemingly every game, but we don't notice when we win, only when we lose....:-(

 

[iasooner1]

BINGO ! Now I can (kinda) see the perspective of the youngest Mouth in the House. Junior is of the opinion that Baker, as great as he is should be riding the pine and letting #2 get his chance... IF our 'special' teams hadn't given up the onside kick we may have stopped the bleeding.

 

[OUSOONER67]

Our Mickey Mouse defense has been struggling for years, players have left but the one Constant is Mike. If he cannot get the players to do what is asked then start someone else. This is OU not Iowa or Iowa State. If that is the best we can do on defense year in and year out then we are truly done as an Upper Tier Program. I mean no disrespect to Iowa State or Iowa but OU's standards should be higher than what we have seen the past few yrs on Defense. When the offense was sputtering Josh H. was let go because of pressure and Riley was brought in, now Riley is the HC. Mike Stoops is not untouchable nor is any other person in any job that is not getting the job done.
Its not personal.

 

[cmhawks99]

Our Mickey Mouse defense has been struggling for years, players have left but the one Constant is Mike. If he cannot get the players to do what is asked then start someone else. This is OU not Iowa or Iowa State. If that is the best we can do on defense year in and year out then we are truly done as an Upper Tier Program. I mean no disrespect to Iowa State or Iowa but OU's standards should be higher than what we have seen the past few yrs on Defense. When the offense was sputtering Josh H. was let go because of pressure and Riley was brought in, now Riley is the HC. Mike Stoops is not untouchable nor is any other person in any job that is not getting the job done.
Its not personal.

I don't take it personally... but honestly the whole entire college football landscape needs a little perspective....for one Iowa typically plays very very good defense. They play pretty average defense in the big 12 and have for years, it's a product of the offenses nothing more nothing less.

Second OU was absolutely heinous throughout the 90s until Bob stoops showed up, as was Texas in the 80s and 90s as was USC in the 80s and 90s etc. etc. etc. OU doesn't have a monopoly on anything, they've won one national championship in what close to 30 years or so?!

That's kind of the point....none of these fans have any perspective whatsoever and that's what makes them All boorish clods and not appreciate things.

Eventually Nick Saban will retire and Alabama will fall off the map as well!

Look at LSU their dumb fans drove away the best coach they've ever ever had, eventually the same will happen to Oklahoma!

 

[cmhawks99]

Ps....this isn't about Mike Stoops I don't care what happens with Mike. Honestly I've never been a fan of overtly emotional coaches.

But here's the thing i've seen fans, Iowa in particular get mad because our coach doesn't show enough emotion. You know because he doesn't care enough...LOL it's all just dumb idiocy that means nothing.

Ask yourself why Oklahoma hired an offensive minded coach like Riley?!

That's what you need in that league!

 

[OUSOONER67]

I don't take it personally... but honestly the whole entire college football landscape needs a little perspective....for one Iowa typically plays very very good defense. They play pretty average defense in the big 12 and have for years, it's a product of the offenses nothing more nothing less.

Second OU was absolutely heinous throughout the 90s until Bob stoops showed up, as was Texas in the 80s and 90s as was USC in the 80s and 90s etc. etc. etc. OU doesn't have a monopoly on anything, they've won one national championship in what close to 30 years or so?!

That's kind of the point....none of these fans have any perspective whatsoever and that's what makes them All boorish clods and not appreciate things.

Eventually Nick Saban will retire and Alabama will fall off the map as well!

Look at LSU their dumb fans drove away the best coach they've ever ever had, eventually the same will happen to Oklahoma!

Nick Saban was the best Coach LSU ever had and he left for the NFL. Leslie is an idiot.
OU won the NC 17 yrs ago not close to 30 and played in 3 others during that span.
The Big 12's average defenses are a product of the offenses? I don't think so. Lots of teams out there that have defenses that regularly shut down pass happy offenses. The defensive talent in the Big 12 is just not very good. Just my opinion.

 

[iasooner1]

No disrespect hawk but iowa's great D's are fine defending the mac teams and generally the bottom 2/3 of the b1g. Even tosu & mich state's champ playoff teams wilted under Clem & Bama competition & were shutout using antiquated Offenses. We may have only won one Natty but we played for 4 under BGBS & expect to be there at least once a decade

 

[cmhawks99]

Nick Saban was the best Coach LSU ever had and he left for the NFL. Leslie is an idiot.
OU won the NC 17 yrs ago not close to 30 and played in 3 others during that span.
The Big 12's average defenses are a product of the offenses? I don't think so. Lots of teams out there that have defenses that regularly shut down pass happy offenses. The defensive talent in the Big 12 is just not very good. Just my opinion.

I think if you reread what I said… It was one in 30 or so years which encompasses 17 years ago and I actually agree with the defensive talent and I believe the last draft showed that. With that said shutting down one or two or even "some" doesn't mean all.

Because quite frankly you're not going to shut down every offense. Hell Alabama plays the best defense in the land and look what has happened to them versus Ole Miss a couple times it's a composite effort all the way around and you still scored seven points in the second half. That isn't going to win very many games against solid opponents.

I should know Iowa has struggled mightily on offense at times!

 

[cmhawks99]

No disrespect hawk but iowa's great D's are fine defending the mac teams and generally the bottom 2/3 of the b1g. Even tosu & mich state's champ playoff teams wilted under Clem & Bama competition & were shutout using antiquated Offenses. We may have only won one Natty but we played for 4 under BGBS & expect to be there at least once a decade

Oh super an isolated example nice!

 

[cmhawks99]

No disrespect hawk but iowa's great D's are fine defending the mac teams and generally the bottom 2/3 of the b1g. Even tosu & mich state's champ playoff teams wilted under Clem & Bama competition & were shutout using antiquated Offenses. We may have only won one Natty but we played for 4 under BGBS & expect to be there at least once a decade

Honestly you're just feeding in to this perspective thing in 2011 Iowa had a very average team they finish seven and six yet they held Oklahoma to 31 points....who scored 38 three times over 40-3 times & over 50-3 times honestly you need to watch more than Oklahoma play.

It's a composite effort all the way around and you can't offend me dogging on Iowa I actually watch more than Iowa play so I have a pretty good gauge all the way around.

 

[OUSOONER67]

We don't expect to shut down every offense, just stop one from time to time would be nice instead of backup players having career games.

 

[cmhawks99]

We don't expect to shut down every offense, just stop one from time to time would be nice instead of backup players having career games.

Well again your argument is the same I see on every board it's especially true in basketball... if you've read as many boards as I have, you would probably take a more even-keeled approach it's honestly pretty shocking what I've read.

Sports make people irrational and dumb!

Again had you scored more than seven points against a team that plays pretty average defense in the second half you would've won! Right?!

 

[OUSOONER67]

Well again your argument is the same I see on every board it's especially true in basketball... if you've read as many boards as I have, you would probably take a more even-keeled approach it's honestly pretty shocking what I've read.

Sports make people irrational and dumb!

Again had you scored more than seven points against a team that plays pretty average defense in the second half you would've won! Right?!

Sports does not make people irrational and dumb, stupidity does that.
I don't need to read other boards and I don't. I only concern myself with the Sooners and keep my nose out of others business.
And 31 points should be enough to beat Iowa State. Had the defense not been so bad we would have won right?

 

[iasooner1]

Yes BUT; there is NO way OU fans shouldn't expect our D to prevent the Clones from scoring 31 straight on us in the 2nd half in Norman, after a bye week.
"Hey that's football" is not in our traditional lexicon and hopefully never will be.

 

[SECsucksohwait]

Immediately after the game I put the loss on the offense and as I thought about it through the rest of the weekend while reading this board I stayed with that thought. The defense is what it is and has been for many years. The offense knows it has to carry the weight and win the games and to only score 7 points in the second half is unacceptable. There was the fumble inside the five yard line, the missed field goal, and Baker trying to play hero ball. That's what cost us the game. We should never send Seibert out for a 40 plus yard field goal on 4th and 4 or less. We have a better chance of picking up the first down than making the kick. For whatever reason he has not lived up to the hype. And Baker repeatedly held the ball too long trying to make the spectacular play instead of making the 4-5 yard pass to wide open receivers. Had he taken the easy plays and let those guys run with the ball who knows what might have happened. He needs to decide if he's playing to win a championship or playing to win the Heisman. The defense was the defense, nothing changed. What was different was the poor offensive play and that's what cost us the game.

Not the tune I've been playing but you make cogent points.

 

[Soonerborn1959]

Most of us understand what you are saying but when you go up 17-3 and then get outscored 35-14 its really a combination of both sides failing. However when can't depend on your D to protect a 2 TD lead and that becomes a routine then there is certainly a problem.

Yes the B12 has more explosive offenses than the BIG does but I dont care what league your team plays in 31 points should be enough to win if you at least have a half way defense.

No offense no matter how potent is going to be on fire all the time so its essential that a teams D steps up to help. Over the past 6-7 years we havent seen that much and continue to hope the offense can outscore opponents.

I am old school and get tired of these shootouts. The lack of a great D has been very costly to OU over the past years and I think most of us just think its time to try and see if someone else can change the D. It worked on the offensive side when Heuple was let go for not delivering up to expectations so maybe a DC change can make changes for the better.

 

[OUSOONER67]

A little devils advocate if you will....I know you are mad, I know you "think" you know whats wrong. But its never ONE person that loses you a football game. And more interesting than that, you aren't unique..during the season I avoid our board like the plague, why?!?! Because I get tired of the mean hateful crap people say about coaches and players.



Take money out of College Football then you might have a point. These Coaches are paid big money to win football games, these players are getting a free education to compete to win football games. College football is a multi million dollar business if not more. To think any multimillion dollar business does not demand excellence from its execs or Coaches in this respect is ridiculous.

But I do read other boards. After every single loss on EVERY board the fans pick a scapegoat and that's their guy. Often times the "scapegoat" has actually had GREAT success elsewhere, or even "here" but that doesn't matter to them....they are incensed and they honestly say such laughably stupid things its hard not too.... well...laugh.

So reading other boards makes you an expert on other teams? Sounds like you troll a lot to me. Mike Stoops is not a scapegoat after the Iowa State loss, he is however the reason for many a Sooner losses the past few seasons. His defenses and schemes have cost us time after time and while Bob was here he was untouchable and promises were always made that the defense would get better but year after year we see the same old crap and same old excuses.

I rewatched the game because I work Saturdays. Here is the Truth. I've always liked Oklahoma and the Big 12 but your defensive numbers in their current iteration are NOT going to look like they do in other leagues. They just aren't. And quite frankly your Total-D numbers are quite solid still.

Did you see the Baylor and Iowa State games? Ohio State and Houston last year? Any game we lost before that?

Here are some obvious things your Stoops" hate has blinded you of.....

Nobody here hates Mike Stoops. We are sick and tired of his excuses and his lack of defense but I have never heard one person say they hate the man. I want him to succeed, I want him to have the type of defense year in and year out that makes it fun to watch the Sooners when the Offense is off the field. I cringe when we have to send the D out on the field with him as DC because we know what is about to happen.

A couple questionable and "stupid" penalties extended ISU drives....

Thanks for calling our players stupid.....

Your tackling is quite poor and this is a trend in college and NFL football so it can't all be blamed on Coach Stoops...

Players do not stop learning football when they leave HS, College Football is typically where players get better and hone their skills, not under Mike Stoops. For some reason defensive players at OU seem to never develop. Might be why its gotten harder to recruit stud defensive players. Not much of a chance to make it to the No Fun League.

Your Offense scored 7 points in the 2nd half vs a D that gave up 30 to Iowa?!?!?1 Guess who Iowa's fans typical hate....?!?!? Their OC's, doesn't matter who it is......

31 should have been more than enough to beat an avg team like Iowa State. No help from the D at all and many here knew it was just a matter of time before the offense had a bad day and the D would be of no help to bail them out.
Mike, you sure this aint you?

I know some won't, can't, will never agree with this, but sports isn't played in a vacuum. Its on both units, etc to feed off of and build into each other. You all think your OC is awesome right now along with Coach Riley (that will likely change it always does) but they too had their failings.

It has already but its not as frequent as the defense laying egg after egg. Sometimes the offense will be out of sync but when you don't have a decent defense to pick up the slack, you get beat.

PS...I'm not against ISU either, I'm against this ridiculous irrational, unfounded hate. Some of these fans are going after coaches who have won OC/DC of the year awards and now suddenly they think they suck. I can only hope people get treated that poorly at their own jobs....think about it. Its pretty crappy really.

Are you sure you are not Mike Stoops? A relative? Friend? Bob is that you? Mark?

Here is too hoping you recover and win by 4 TD's this weekend. Why....?!?! Because Texas fans are just as irrational and they could use some perspective......LOL Right now they are back to Tom Herman for president.....doh!!!

Thanks for the drive by and insults. OU fans irrational? We just lost to freakin Iowa State. Thats like most anyone in the BIG losing to Iowa. Get outta here with that crap man, this is OU, we don't need no Iowa fan telling us what to think or how to act.

 

[CTOkie]

Those of us who have been OU fans since the Wilkinson years can recognize bad coaching and bad player performance when we see it.
This is not about "mean hateful crap" or being spoiled or being unknowledgeable because we were never players ourselves.
This is about witnessing a team that has been given million dollar facilities and million dollar coaches (the byproducts of a storied history), that is playing poorly and is being coached poorly. It's too obvious to observe even for a casual fan.
This is not a fan base groping to find a scapegoat for reasons of expediency.
No condescending lectures are required.

 

[OUSOONER67]

I for one am a little disappointed that some long time scoop members have not seen these 2 posters for what they are. Some even liked their posts?????
Is the Scoop going soft? I have never seen so many backhanded compliments in my life. If a whorn fan or aggie fan did this, and I suspect they may be just that, this board would have erupted. I suggest those that liked their posts go back and reread what they are saying. Any Iowa fan coming here telling any OU fan anything can kiss my ***. Yep I said it.

 

[OUSOONER67]

I don't take it personally... but honestly the whole entire college football landscape needs a little perspective....for one Iowa typically plays very very good defense. They play pretty average defense in the big 12 and have for years, it's a product of the offenses nothing more nothing less.

Second OU was absolutely heinous throughout the 90s until Bob stoops showed up, as was Texas in the 80s and 90s as was USC in the 80s and 90s etc. etc. etc. OU doesn't have a monopoly on anything, they've won one national championship in what close to 30 years or so?!

That's kind of the point....none of these fans have any perspective whatsoever and that's what makes them All boorish clods and not appreciate things.

Eventually Nick Saban will retire and Alabama will fall off the map as well!

Look at LSU their dumb fans drove away the best coach they've ever ever had, eventually the same will happen to Oklahoma!

Name anyone but an aggie that would say LSU ran off the best coach they ever had? I dare you to name a non aggie that would say that. Good grief! Les Miles the best LSU ever had lmao.

 

[Senior Sooner]

QUOTE="CTOkie, post: 1907301, member: 814"]Those of us who have been OU fans since the Wilkinson years can recognize bad coaching and bad player performance when we see it.
This is not about "mean hateful crap" or being spoiled or being unknowledgeable because we were never players ourselves.
This is about witnessing a team that has been given million dollar facilities and million dollar coaches (the byproducts of a storied history), that is playing poorly and is being coached poorly. It's too obvious to observe even for a casual fan.
This is not a fan base groping to find a scapegoat for reasons of expediency.
No condescending lectures are required.[/QUOTE]

I for one am a little disappointed that some long time scoop members have not seen these 2 posters for what they are. Some even liked their posts?????
Is the Scoop going soft? I have never seen so many backhanded compliments in my life. If a whorn fan or aggie fan did this, and I suspect they may be just that, this board would have erupted. I suggest those that liked their posts go back and reread what they are saying. Any Iowa fan coming here telling any OU fan anything can kiss my ***. Yep I said it.

Thoughts of what I Wanted/Needed to say to the Visiting AUTHORITY who stopped by to SCHOOL US on Oklahoma Football, and why we lost our most recent game, filled my mind for TOO LONG, last night. I decided it would be Best for me to Chill, before I wrote my reply to our Guest Lecturer. Imagine My Delight to come to the board this morning, and realize that others had already taken care of that and had done it MUCH BETTER, and MUCH BRIEFER!

THANKS CT and 67...You Done GOOD, DUDES!

 

[soonerfastnloud]

Our Mickey Mouse defense has been struggling for years, players have left but the one Constant is Mike. If he cannot get the players to do what is asked then start someone else. This is OU not Iowa or Iowa State. If that is the best we can do on defense year in and year out then we are truly done as an Upper Tier Program. I mean no disrespect to Iowa State or Iowa but OU's standards should be higher than what we have seen the past few yrs on Defense. When the offense was sputtering Josh H. was let go because of pressure and Riley was brought in, now Riley is the HC. Mike Stoops is not untouchable nor is any other person in any job that is not getting the job done.
Its not personal.

ALSO, big, big checks going to a coach that can't coach. It's time to give someone else a try. I know Nick Saban would not keep him.

 

[PtLavacaSooner]

Thanks for the drive by and insults. OU fans irrational? We just lost to freakin Iowa State. Thats like most anyone in the BIG losing to Iowa. Get outta here with that crap man, this is OU, we don't need no Iowa fan telling us what to think or how to act.

I need a double like button...

 

[PtLavacaSooner]

A little devils advocate if you will....I know you are mad, I know you "think" you know whats wrong. But its never ONE person that loses you a football game. And more interesting than that, you aren't unique..during the season I avoid our board like the plague, why?!?! Because I get tired of the mean hateful crap people say about coaches and players.

But I do read other boards. After every single loss on EVERY board the fans pick a scapegoat and that's their guy. Often times the "scapegoat" has actually had GREAT success elsewhere, or even "here" but that doesn't matter to them....they are incensed and they honestly say such laughably stupid things its hard not too.... well...laugh.

I rewatched the game because I work Saturdays. Here is the Truth. I've always liked Oklahoma and the Big 12 but your defensive numbers in their current iteration are NOT going to look like they do in other leagues. They just aren't. And quite frankly your Total-D numbers are quite solid still.

Here are some obvious things your Stoops" hate has blinded you of.....

A couple questionable and "stupid" penalties extended ISU drives....

Your tackling is quite poor and this is a trend in college and NFL football so it can't all be blamed on Coach Stoops...

Your Offense scored 7 points in the 2nd half vs a D that gave up 30 to Iowa?!?!?1 Guess who Iowa's fans typical hate....?!?!? Their OC's, doesn't matter who it is......

I know some won't, can't, will never agree with this, but sports isn't played in a vacuum. Its on both units, etc to feed off of and build into each other. You all think your OC is awesome right now along with Coach Riley (that will likely change it always does) but they too had their failings.

PS...I'm not against ISU either, I'm against this ridiculous irrational, unfounded hate. Some of these fans are going after coaches who have won OC/DC of the year awards and now suddenly they think they suck. I can only hope people get treated that poorly at their own jobs....think about it. Its pretty crappy really.

Here is too hoping you recover and win by 4 TD's this weekend. Why....?!?! Because Texas fans are just as irrational and they could use some perspective......LOL Right now they are back to Tom Herman for president.....doh!!!

You wanna play schemes with me, boy?

 

[Soonerborn1959]

i think it is safe to say our fan base demands more from our team than Iowa's does and I don't mean that in a disrespectful way.

Lets face it we are like every other blueblood program and for the most part expect the OU program to compete for the NC consistantly. We as fans can deal with off-seasons and even those off-decades as long as we see the coaching staff that is paid well doing the best with what is on campus but when we as fans see talent not being used or coached to tackle and cover receivers based on bad coaching or lack of game planning it tends to rile us up. Surely even Iowa fans would seem to understand our frustration with MS defenses over the years.

Just my opinion though.

 

[Senior Sooner]

I need a double like button...

I just need a double...

 

[veritas59]

Sorry. I'm late to the party. Two questions:

Who was it, exactly, who was asking for outside perspective?

Why do some of you continue to feed the trolls?

 

[soonerinlOUisiana]

Sorry OP, but after almost two decades, I can say with confidence that Mike Stoops sucks donkeys and needs to go sell AmWay.

 

[JConXtsy_rivals]

Yes BUT; there is NO way OU fans shouldn't expect our D to prevent the Clones from scoring 31 straight on us in the 2nd half in Norman, after a bye week.
"Hey that's football" is not in our traditional lexicon and hopefully never will be.

This right here. It was actually 24 in the 2nd half but the point is clear and correct.

UNI did not give up 24 in a half to Iowa State.
Akron did not give up 24 in a half to Iowa State.

Power conference teams are going to move the ball and put up points, but it's absolutely ridiculous to watch a defense repeatedly get beat in the same way without any change or experimentation to the process. Last week against Baylor, it was because Will Johnson wasn't back there. What was the excuse this week with Johnson back?

I get that at this level a breakaway TD can happen against any defense. Everyone has players that can outrun the defense and a single defensive lapse will turn football into a game of tag. But is it a "lapse" when it's on nearly every play and every drive?

Unacceptable Defensive Stats against Iowa State
Plays/Drive: 3, 11 (FG), 10 (TD), 3, 4 (FG - 54yds on 4 plays just before half), 11 (FG), 7 (TD), 2 (TD), 9 (TD)

Throw out their first 3-and-out due to beginning of the game jitters, and you're looking at a SINGLE DEFENSIVE stop the entire game against IOWA STATE.
They moved the ball at will against our defense. Not once in awhile, not some lucky strikes here and there. They scored on 7/9 possessions! Again if you throw out the first possession for jitters, then we're at 7/8. Holy crap.

 

[OklaBama]

They scored on 7/9 possessions! Again if you throw out the first possession for jitters, then we're at 7/8. Holy crap.

This is craziness considering the opponent. Unless Iowa State suddenly becomes an offensive juggernaut and scores out in a similar manner the rest of the year, what the Sooner defense allowed Saturday should be ample reason for Riley to locate, seek and hire two or maybe three new defensive coaches. I don't expect Iowa State to be the last team to take advantage of Mike and his defense. I hope like hell it won't be the Texas Longhorns.

 

[BillyRay_rivals31072]

"We aren't gonna over-talent anybody"

Those are the exact words by Mike Stoops after practice yesterday. This is post-Iowa State mind you. He is literally saying he hasn't recruited the talent for his defense to beat a team OU was favored to beat by 30+ points at home and hasn't beaten OU in over 25 years.

Let that sink in. And whose fault is it again for the failures of the defense????

 

[OUSOONER67]

QUOTE="CTOkie, post: 1907301, member: 814"]Those of us who have been OU fans since the Wilkinson years can recognize bad coaching and bad player performance when we see it.
This is not about "mean hateful crap" or being spoiled or being unknowledgeable because we were never players ourselves.
This is about witnessing a team that has been given million dollar facilities and million dollar coaches (the byproducts of a storied history), that is playing poorly and is being coached poorly. It's too obvious to observe even for a casual fan.
This is not a fan base groping to find a scapegoat for reasons of expediency.
No condescending lectures are required.[/QUOTE]



Thoughts of what I Wanted/Needed to say to the Visiting AUTHORITY who stopped by to SCHOOL US on Oklahoma Football, and why we lost our most recent game, filled my mind for TOO LONG, last night. I decided it would be Best for me to Chill, before I wrote my reply to our Guest Lecturer. Imagine My Delight to come to the board this morning, and realize that others had already taken care of that and had done it MUCH BETTER, and MUCH BRIEFER!

THANKS CT and 67...You Done GOOD, DUDES!

Lol I probably should have done the same thing. The more I thought it over the more I disliked what they were up to. Had an early morning and that made me pretty grouchy this morning. Apoligies to any Sooner I offended. No apology for any Hawks.

 

[Senior Sooner]

Lol I probably should have done the same thing. The more I thought it over the more I disliked what they were up to. Had an early morning and that made me pretty grouchy this morning. Apoligies to any Sooner I offended. No apology for any Hawks.

67...You are second guessing yourself, saying you might should have 'Slept On It', and I'm second guessing, thinking I might shoulda, coulda, woulda just gone ahead, jumped in with both feet, last night, said what I REALLY Thought, and gotten myself banned! That good ol' 20-20 Hindsight for Bofus!

 

[OUSOONER67]

67...You are second guessing yourself, saying you might should have 'Slept On It', and I'm second guessing, thinking I might shoulda, coulda, woulda just gone ahead, jumped in with both feet, last night, said what I REALLY Thought, and gotten myself banned! That good ol' 20-20 Hindsight for Bofus!

Ha ha I was probably close to being banned, I had to put down the puter before I got ugly. Neighbors dogs have been waking me up really early barking, new neighbor just moved in with 3 big dogs, not sure if I will ever get a good nights sleep again. Lack of sleep makes me meaner than usual and I think I have PTSD from watching Mikes defense lol.