I'm pissed Kraft fired Franklin when he did

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Franklin owns these losses. They should be on his record, not Terry's...

Edit: we're also not making a hire until the end of the season, what was the rush? He let Franklin off easy, by not having to face the fans & media during this stretch.
 

Bvillebaron

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Franklin owns these losses. They should be on his record, not Terry's...

Edit: we're also not making a hire until the end of the season, what was the rush? He let Franklin off easy, by not having to face the fans & media during this stretch.
Please stop the ********. Franklin is no longer the head coach. Penn State had an 11 point second half lead against Iowa and blew it. There is lots of valid criticism to be leveled against Franklin including the quality of his recruits, but he recruited more talent than the players on Iowa, Michigan State, Nebraska and Rutgers. If Penn State loses to MSU, Nebraska or Rutgers that will be squarely on the present coaches and the players on the team.
 

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I can't imagine how bad this Saturday would be if Franklin was still going to be there. He would have to be surrounded with cops and probably be enclosed in glass and carried around. It would be 3 hours of people throwing stuff at him, not only to try to hit him, but as a bonus to try to be ejected from the stadium to get out of watching another drubbing.

Everybody knows this disaster of a season is Franklin's mess anyway. Terry Smith is another nice guy. A real problem with this whole staff is there are no disciplinarians at all. Not one guy to get pissed and light a fire under this team. The next staff, you at least have to have one coordinator who can do that. This team has either nice guys or people like Knowles who just stand there stone faced while getting the hell beat out of him.
 

Bvillebaron

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Please stop the ********. Franklin is no longer the head coach. Penn State had an 11 point second half lead against Iowa and blew it. There is lots of valid criticism to be leveled against Franklin including the quality of his recruits, but he recruited more talent than the players on Iowa, Michigan State, Nebraska and Rutgers. If Penn State loses to MSU, Nebraska or Rutgers that will be squarely on the present coaches and the players on the team.

I can't imagine how bad this Saturday would be if Franklin was still going to be there. He would have to be surrounded with cops and probably be enclosed in glass and carried around. It would be 3 hours of people throwing stuff at him, not only to try to hit him, but as a bonus to try to be ejected from the stadium to get out of watching another drubbing.

Everybody knows this disaster of a season is Franklin's mess anyway. Terry Smith is another nice guy. A real problem with this whole staff is there are no disciplinarians at all. Not one guy to get pissed and light a fire under this team. The next staff, you at least have to have one coordinator who can do that. This team has either nice guys or people like Knowles who just stand there stone faced while getting the hell beat out of him.
Had season tickets from 1978 until 3 years ago. Have no interest in going to another game and watching the juvenile fan clown show.
 

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This may have been about more than the losses. It’s been said that Kraft denied Frankin’s (more accurately, his agent’s) request for an extension after last season and that Franklin (again, his agent) went around Kraft to push for the extension. Thus, Franklin and Kraft may have had a strained realtionship at the start of this season that only deteriorated further after the embarrassing losses. Kraft may have had no choice but to act mid-season.
 

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There was no good reason to keep Franklin past Northwestern. Full fan mutiny and recruits would have followed anyway. Weekly pressers with reporters asking him if he believes he'll be coaching in 2026. When looking at trends, the only outcome that might have been different was the Iowa game. He would have probably split carries between Kaytron and Singleton, so we probably take points off the board in that game.

One thing we can put to bed is the idea that Franklin meddled with the coordinators. AK and JK are calling their games, and are responsible for the personnel on the field. Assuming they lose to Indiana, let's hope that AK is sent packing and Ty Howle is given an opportunity to call games moving forward. That and Ross, Denmark and Howard should be the starting WR moving forward.
 

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Please stop the ********. Franklin is no longer the head coach. Penn State had an 11 point second half lead against Iowa and blew it. There is lots of valid criticism to be leveled against Franklin including the quality of his recruits, but he recruited more talent than the players on Iowa, Michigan State, Nebraska and Rutgers. If Penn State loses to MSU, Nebraska or Rutgers that will be squarely on the present coaches and the players on the team.

Like it was on Franklin when his more talented teams lost to Pitt, Minnesota, Illinois, etc. This is Franklin's mess and he should own it. Especially since he hired AK and JK. It's either this staff has no idea what they're doing or every single recruit Penn State has was wildly overrated. Can't be both. Well, maybe....
 
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Had season tickets from 1978 until 3 years ago. Have no interest in going to another game and watching the juvenile fan clown show.
The marketing end of the game experience is also terrible. Music too loud, not enough from the Blue Band, "make some noise!" over and over again, the Ozzy "All aboard" - it's all too much and at the same time stale.
 

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This may have been about more than the losses. It’s been said that Kraft denied Frankin’s (more accurately, his agent’s) request for an extension after last season and that Franklin (again, his agent) went around Kraft to push for the extension. Thus, Franklin and Kraft may have had a strained realtionship at the start of this season that only deteriorated further after the embarrassing losses. Kraft may have had no choice but to act mid-season.
A rare serious response from you, Bob!
I agree with you. Franklin left him with no real choice but to fire him.
 

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Franklin owns these losses. They should be on his record, not Terry's...

Edit: we're also not making a hire until the end of the season, what was the rush? He let Franklin off easy, by not having to face the fans & media during this stretch.
I don't see how Franklin could have continued with the constant Fire Franklin chants and people throwing stuff. He go so concerned about safety he didn't want his daughters walking with him anymore. Also, I am thinking there were more underlying issues we are not hearing about. Word on the street, and many here, have alluded to infighting over NIL. I wonder what old heads still have their paws in the collective?

The discipline issue is bothering me even more so now. Granted we don't see what goes on behind the scenes but it drives me nuts how sloppy our players look with their shirts hanging out. I look at other successful team and they do not look that way. Why am I bringing this up? It is the little details that make the biggest difference. If you are sloppy with the little details like this what else are they sloppy about. Foot work, hand placement, blocking angles, crisp route running, player alignment in certain situations, defenders not being accounted for in blocking schemes, defensive backfield alignment that lets WRs get wide open on the long ball. Some may laugh at looking sloppy but it leads to other sloppy things. Maybe sloppy isn't the correct word but hopefully I am getting my point across. Football is about discipline and taking care of the little details. Especially if you are not the top athletes on the field in certain positions. Stepping off my soap box now...
 

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Franklin owns these losses. They should be on his record, not Terry's...

Edit: we're also not making a hire until the end of the season, what was the rush? He let Franklin off easy, by not having to face the fans & media during this stretch.
Terry was his assistant Head Coach. The losses are on him regardless, second only to James.

Franklin being fired got them a leg up on the process Kraft clearly wanted to go, and he wanted to go this route because it became untenable.

Turn it around: How does keeping a lame duck coach around that you know you’ll be firing help you in 26, 27, 28?
 

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There was no good reason to keep Franklin past Northwestern. Full fan mutiny and recruits would have followed anyway. Weekly pressers with reporters asking him if he believes he'll be coaching in 2026. When looking at trends, the only outcome that might have been different was the Iowa game. He would have probably split carries between Kaytron and Singleton, so we probably take points off the board in that game.

One thing we can put to bed is the idea that Franklin meddled with the coordinators. AK and JK are calling their games, and are responsible for the personnel on the field. Assuming they lose to Indiana, let's hope that AK is sent packing and Ty Howle is given an opportunity to call games moving forward. That and Ross, Denmark and Howard should be the starting WR moving forward.
There was no good reason to keep Franklin past Northwestern. Full fan mutiny and recruits would have followed anyway. Weekly pressers with reporters asking him if he believes he'll be coaching in 2026. When looking at trends, the only outcome that might have been different was the Iowa game. He would have probably split carries between Kaytron and Singleton, so we probably take points off the board in that game.

One thing we can put to bed is the idea that Franklin meddled with the coordinators. AK and JK are calling their games, and are responsible for the personnel on the field. Assuming they lose to Indiana, let's hope that AK is sent packing and Ty Howle is given an opportunity to call games moving forward. That and Ross, Denmark and Howard should be the starting WR moving forward.
Well a good head coach should "meddle" with the coordinators if their play calling is not up to par.
 

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Had season tickets from 1978 until 3 years ago. Have no interest in going to another game and watching the juvenile fan clown show.
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I can't imagine how bad this Saturday would be if Franklin was still going to be there. He would have to be surrounded with cops and probably be enclosed in glass and carried around. It would be 3 hours of people throwing stuff at him, not only to try to hit him, but as a bonus to try to be ejected from the stadium to get out of watching another drubbing.

Everybody knows this disaster of a season is Franklin's mess anyway. Terry Smith is another nice guy. A real problem with this whole staff is there are no disciplinarians at all. Not one guy to get pissed and light a fire under this team. The next staff, you at least have to have one coordinator who can do that. This team has either nice guys or people like Knowles who just stand there stone faced while getting the hell beat out of him.
Exactly.

This team has no one like Jack Sawyer at OSU last year after the SCUM loss. There is no one to light a fire under this team. I thought that maybe someone like DDS would be that guy. After watching his play on Saturday I could not have been more wrong if I tried. The fact that no one said boo to Downs after what should have been targeting says it all about this team.
 

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This team has either nice guys or people like Knowles who just stand there stone faced while getting the hell beat out of him.
It's as if his porky self was trying to cover 60-80 yard TD's the other day. No chance.
Then on the other side we have our Big12 savant who must have vertigo b/c he can't throw the ball down the field in that fashion (our QB's can, but he can't pull that trigger for some reason), and thinks that splitting the backup QB out wide instead of adding a blocker is what will open it all up.
 
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The discipline issue is bothering me even more so now. Granted we don't see what goes on behind the scenes but it drives me nuts how sloppy our players look with their shirts hanging out. I look at other successful team and they do not look that way. Why am I bringing this up? It is the little details that make the biggest difference. If you are sloppy with the little details like this what else are they sloppy about. Foot work, hand placement, blocking angles, crisp route running, player alignment in certain situations, defenders not being accounted for in blocking schemes, defensive backfield alignment that lets WRs get wide open on the long ball. Some may laugh at looking sloppy but it leads to other sloppy things. Maybe sloppy isn't the correct word but hopefully I am getting my point across. Football is about discipline and taking care of the little details. Especially if you are not the top athletes on the field in certain positions. Stepping off my soap box now...
This. I remember back in the day watching the Dallas Cowboys, not that I liked the team, but sometimes they were the only team on or they were playing a team I liked. Their offense had this way of coming up to the line, as a unit, and getting into their stance all together, almost like they were choreographed. It was impressive, and it had to be a bit intimidating to the defense (facing a quite cohesive unit). Of course, if you want to go further back, coaches like Tom Landry wore suits and ties on the sideline (remember his hat?). I remember an old coach who rolled up his pants (sometimes with whales on them) and led his team onto the field with a tie on. These guys set good examples. Today, it seems "anything goes" and no rules. The hair dangling down so that you can't even read the player's name on the jersey gets me. Football used to set a relatively good example. Not anymore. I will say that what I watched of Indiana's game the other day, they looked quite clean-cut and sharp for the most part. Then again, they have an older coach who is quite likely more of a true coach and disciplinarian.
 
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I can't imagine how bad this Saturday would be if Franklin was still going to be there. He would have to be surrounded with cops and probably be enclosed in glass and carried around. It would be 3 hours of people throwing stuff at him, not only to try to hit him, but as a bonus to try to be ejected from the stadium to get out of watching another drubbing.

Everybody knows this disaster of a season is Franklin's mess anyway. Terry Smith is another nice guy. A real problem with this whole staff is there are no disciplinarians at all. Not one guy to get pissed and light a fire under this team. The next staff, you at least have to have one coordinator who can do that. This team has either nice guys or people like Knowles who just stand there stone faced while getting the hell beat out of him.
I love how so many message board posters with no real connection to the team at all know exactly what is wrong with the team.
 

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The marketing end of the game experience is also terrible. Music too loud, not enough from the Blue Band, "make some noise!" over and over again, the Ozzy "All aboard" - it's all too much and at the same time stale.

Why dis Ozzie, his corpse is still warm.
 

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I can't imagine how bad this Saturday would be if Franklin was still going to be there. He would have to be surrounded with cops and probably be enclosed in glass and carried around. It would be 3 hours of people throwing stuff at him, not only to try to hit him, but as a bonus to try to be ejected from the stadium to get out of watching another drubbing.

Everybody knows this disaster of a season is Franklin's mess anyway. Terry Smith is another nice guy. A real problem with this whole staff is there are no disciplinarians at all. Not one guy to get pissed and light a fire under this team. The next staff, you at least have to have one coordinator who can do that. This team has either nice guys or people like Knowles who just stand there stone faced while getting the hell beat out of him.
Franklin became a cancer to the team and community. The only reason he wasn't fired after UCLA was because of the new transfer rules that started on October 7th.
 

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Franklin owns these losses. They should be on his record, not Terry's...

Edit: we're also not making a hire until the end of the season, what was the rush? He let Franklin off easy, by not having to face the fans & media during this stretch.
Terry was given an opportunity to showcase his skills for other positions. So far he's failing miserably.

We're interviewing other coaches and will be ready to make the announcement as soon as their season ends.
 
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Like it was on Franklin when his more talented teams lost to Pitt, Minnesota, Illinois, etc. This is Franklin's mess and he should own it. Especially since he hired AK and JK. It's either this staff has no idea what they're doing or every single recruit Penn State has was wildly overrated. Can't be both. Well, maybe....
When does everything stop being Franklin’s fault? 2026? 2027? Never? As I said, I get the firing and he can be blamed for many things but losing games when he is not coaching is not one of them. And yes he can and was blamed for losses to less talented teams (although my recollection is his loss to Pitt was during his first year when Penn State did not have more talent than Pitt due to the sanctions. Is Terry Smith immune from criticism for the team blowing an 11 point second half lead to Iowa? Especially after he proclaimed the team was going to shock the world before the game.
 

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Well a good head coach should "meddle" with the coordinators if their play calling is not up to par.
Lousy play calling when Franklin was head coach and allegedly it’s his fault for meddling with the play calling. Same lousy play calling after he is fired and it’s his fault for not meddling when he was coach. You can’t make this stuff up folks.
 

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When does everything stop being Franklin’s fault? 2026? 2027? Never? As I said, I get the firing and he can be blamed for many things but losing games when he is not coaching is not one of them. And yes he can and was blamed for losses to less talented teams (although my recollection is his loss to Pitt was during his first year when Penn State did not have more talent than Pitt due to the sanctions. Is Terry Smith immune from criticism for the team blowing an 11 point second half lead to Iowa? Especially after he proclaimed the team was going to shock the world before the game.
Franklin defenders are still blaming the Sandusky scandal for his shortcomings

That said, Smith not Franklin lost these last few games.

And...again...That said, Franklin isn't responsible for anything moving forward.
 

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I love how so many message board posters with no real connection to the team at all know exactly what is wrong with the team.
I talk to people connected w/ the team. For the most part their reaction to this collapse has been no different than reactions expressed on this message board.

JVP players/donors wanted CJF gone long ago (with exceptions esp. JVP lettermen who coached somewhere at some point). CJF players/donors knew change had to come but didn't like the timing.
 

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When does everything stop being Franklin’s fault? 2026? 2027? Never? As I said, I get the firing and he can be blamed for many things but losing games when he is not coaching is not one of them. And yes he can and was blamed for losses to less talented teams (although my recollection is his loss to Pitt was during his first year when Penn State did not have more talent than Pitt due to the sanctions. Is Terry Smith immune from criticism for the team blowing an 11 point second half lead to Iowa? Especially after he proclaimed the team was going to shock the world before the game.
You just want it to all go away, right? This season will always be Franklin's fault.

Your recollection is not correct, you are wrong about when the Pitt loss happened.
 
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Maybe so but at least I ain’t one of those soiled fans attacking Franklin and making bleeps out of themselves because they “deserve better” right Kraft?
Franklin was a highly paid employee that didn't meet expectations. Criticism and chants of "Fire Franklin" are part of it. Attacking his family should be off limits but he set the expectations this preseason not the fans.
 
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When does everything stop being Franklin’s fault? 2026? 2027? Never? As I said, I get the firing and he can be blamed for many things but losing games when he is not coaching is not one of them. And yes he can and was blamed for losses to less talented teams (although my recollection is his loss to Pitt was during his first year when Penn State did not have more talent than Pitt due to the sanctions. Is Terry Smith immune from criticism for the team blowing an 11 point second half lead to Iowa? Especially after he proclaimed the team was going to shock the world before the game.

When did the sanctions stop being blamed for everything? The year they ended? No - same for Franklin. Until a new staff is hired and has time to build their roster/system, he's going to be blamed for the state of things. You certainly can't blame Smith, who has never been a HC, and who did not hire anyone on this staff, for the many issues Franklin created with poor roster management, overpaying players, and hiring key offensive/defensive coaches who do not fit the personnel.

As for losing to Pitt, we beat OSU and Wisconsin and won the B1G later that year.
 
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The marketing end of the game experience is also terrible. Music too loud, not enough from the Blue Band, "make some noise!" over and over again, the Ozzy "All aboard" - it's all too much and at the same time stale.

It was flat for a long time. I remember when the Beav was labeled as the quietest 80,000 people you’d see. ;)

State College isn’t exactly known for innovative thinking or cutting edge. It’s pretty much ‘this is how we’ve always done it’ thinking.

Over time they got Guido who, like or hate him, finally put some life into the game day experience. Then they got rid of him and everything was frozen- same songs, same experience. The only change was they made the speaker volume louder.

When you see how things are done at other schools you see how far behind PsU is in many ways in terms of gameday. The PSU crowd is now geared to get into it but no one is maximizing the potential. It’s just frozen at the moment.
 
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I love how so many message board posters with no real connection to the team at all know exactly what is wrong with the team.

Well, in fairness, it’s pretty clear that those with ‘real connections’ to the team have no idea what is wrong with the team or how to fix it either given the current state of play and results.
 
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I love how so many message board posters with no real connection to the team at all know exactly what is wrong with the team.

Well, I'm trying to figure it out. They may need one of us on here to coach them after all their candidates get massive contract extensions to stay where they are.

I don't know what's happening in there. This is just the cheap seats view, it appears the coaches are all either very nice or aloof and not the kind of guys who would raise hell over stupid mistakes we see week after week out there, but maybe they have somebody doing that. It just doesn't look like it from the upper deck or on TV.
 

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It was flat for a long time. I remember when the Beav was labeled as the quietest 80,000 people you’d see. ;)

State College isn’t exactly known for innovative thinking or cutting edge. It’s pretty much ‘this is how we’ve always done it’ thinking.

Over time they got Guido who, like or hate him, finally put some life into the game day experience. Then they got rid of him and everything was frozen- same songs, same experience. The only change was they made the speaker volume louder.

When you see how things are done at other schools you see how far behind PsU is in many ways in terms of gameday. The PSU crowd is now geared to get into it but no one is maximizing the potential. It’s just frozen at the moment.
Maybe just me, but I think the problems lie more in the weekly practice and preparation than the "game day experience". The game day performances themselves have been so bad that if they played Muskrat Love, no one should dare critique it when compared to what is happening on the field and in the press box.

Guido isn't winless in conference this year, nor is "Hey Baby" or "Sweet Caroline". Sh:t, that's probably the happiest times of the games.
 
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Well a good head coach should "meddle" with the coordinators if their play calling is not up to par.
So now we're mad he didn't meddle, after years of posts about being mad that he did meddle (despite many of us correctly saying that he didn't)? Love the board sometimes, unhappy no matter what.
 
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Franklin defenders are still blaming the Sandusky scandal for his shortcomings

That said, Smith not Franklin lost these last few games.

And...again...That said, Franklin isn't responsible for anything moving forward.
Given how many times we've heard about changes from the head coach only to see those changes not happen, I'm wondering if the coordinators just aren't following orders from Franklin or Smith because they don't agree for whatever reason. At any other time they'd be fired for the insubordination, but Smith isn't likely to do so since they will be replaced at the end of the year anyway.
 

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Franklin owns these losses. They should be on his record, not Terry's...

Edit: we're also not making a hire until the end of the season, what was the rush? He let Franklin off easy, by not having to face the fans & media during this stretch.

I get your point, but honestly, I'm not sure I could watch another presser with him. I've so had enough of him. At the risk of repeating myself, I f'ing laughed so hard at the Saban interview when he said he'd go win a national championship somewhere else.... You can say it was hyperbole all you like. That was right up there with "fullbacks only do one thing" and "the plays work better with better players."