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bringbacktherantboard

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I don't know if Hilinski is the future. Some are saying to play Hilinski even if Marty is healthy because Hilinski is the future.

I'm not sold.

But Marty is the best QB we have now, and if he wants to come back next season, he'll be the best QB next season, too.

He deserves to start. Play him.
 
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FeralFelidae said:
I don't know if Hilinski is the future. Some are saying to play Hilinski even if Marty is healthy because Hilinski is the future.

I'm not sold.

But Marty is the best QB we have now, and if he wants to come back next season, he'll be the best QB next season, too.

He deserves to start. Play him.
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He looked good in warm-ups supposedly. Hopefully he’s able to return soon.

We need a more competitive OL for Hilinski to do his thing. Marty is much more mobile and we sorely need that.
 
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FeralFelidae said:
I don't know if Hilinski is the future. Some are saying to play Hilinski even if Marty is healthy because Hilinski is the future.

I'm not sold.

But Marty is the best QB we have now, and if he wants to come back next season, he'll be the best QB next season, too.

He deserves to start. Play him.
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Based on today, I have to agree. Hilinski is very mediocre. Not bad, not great but with the talent around him that just is not good enough.
 
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techtim72

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Hillinski is good. Calm. Just doesn't add the mobility that makes a difference when nothing else is working.
 
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FeralFelidae said:
I don't know if Hilinski is the future. Some are saying to play Hilinski even if Marty is healthy because Hilinski is the future.

I'm not sold.

But Marty is the best QB we have now, and if he wants to come back next season, he'll be the best QB next season, too.

He deserves to start. Play him.
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Based on what exactly does he “deserve” to start?
 
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Fanaticat98

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I’m thinking that they just didn’t want to put Marty’s recovery at risk in a lost game. Hilinski was playing well enough, or at least not poorly enough, until the game quickly got away with the blocked punt and the INT. By that time, might as well get Richardson some snaps and save Marty for a game where it matters.
 
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FanatiCat said:
I’m thinking that they just didn’t want to put Marty’s recovery at risk in a lost game. Hilinski was playing well enough, or at least not poorly enough, until the game quickly got away with the blocked punt and the INT. By that time, might as well get Richardson some snaps and save Marty for a game where it matters.
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Yeah, Hilinski was far from perfect, but certainly not a liability.

The issue today was Ryan’s mobility. Against a front seven like Michigan, you really need to find a way to punish their aggressiveness. The screens to the backs and the boundary had occasional success, but not frequently enough to make a lasting difference.

A healthy and experienced Marty could have potentially offered a different element (zone read package, extending plays) to attack the Wolverines, but no way you bench Hilinski coming off a nice outing against Rutgers. Need to keep building Ryan’s confidence (and improve the OL via competition/coaching/recruiting).
 
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ColumbusCatFan1 said:
Yeah, Hilinski was far from perfect, but certainly not a liability.

The issue today was Ryan’s mobility. Against a front seven like Michigan, you really need to find a way to punish their aggressiveness. The screens to the backs and the boundary had occasional success, but not frequently enough to make a lasting difference.

A healthy and experienced Marty could have potentially offered a different element (zone read package, extending plays) to attack the Wolverines, but no way you bench Hilinski coming off a nice outing against Rutgers. Need to keep building Ryan’s confidence (and improve the OL via competition/coaching/recruiting).
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True and that's because he is a lot better than Marty.
 
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corbi296 said:
Based on today, I have to agree. Hilinski is very mediocre. Not bad, not great but with the talent around him that just is not good enough.
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With a better OL, Hilinski could be pretty darned good. With our OL, we need a guy who is more multidimensional. We need to play Marty when he is cleared medically, but not because Hilinski is a bad QB.
 
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corbi296 said:
Based on today, I have to agree. Hilinski is very mediocre. Not bad, not great but with the talent around him that just is not good enough.
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It’s good to know you’re seeing this clearly. He’s a good athlete and probably a good leader, but he’s a chucker — not a passer. Some days he gets hot, other days he’s can’t get the ball to his receivers. He’s like a better version of Kustok.
 
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HawkCat said:
With a better OL, Hilinski could be pretty darned good. With our OL, we need a guy who is more multidimensional. We need to play Marty when he is cleared medically, but not because Hilinski is a bad QB.
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i don’t disagree. I don’t want to give up on him but given his skill set and where he is in his development as a player, he is not a great complementary fit with the other players we have an offense. He missed or had poor ball placement on a lot of short of intermediate throws that could have been big first downs for us with better throws from him. In addition, the lack of mobility is magnified right now with our OL play. I was prepared to ride with Ryan this season for the long term benefit of the program but based on what I saw yesterday I think this team is better served to see what Marty can do if he is healthy.
 
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NUera said:
It’s good to know you’re seeing this clearly. He’s a good athlete and probably a good leader, but he’s a chucker — not a passer. Some days he gets hot, other days he’s can’t get the ball to his receivers. He’s like a better version of Kustok.
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Better version of Kustok? You way undervalue Zak if this is what you truly think.

I don’t see them even being remotely similar other than playing the same position.
 
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Purple Pile Driver said:
Better version of Kustok? You way undervalue Zak if this is what you truly think.

I don’t see them even being remotely similar other than playing the same position.
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Also Kustok had 1294 yards rushing, whereas Hilinski will end up with negative career yards. I do think he's more mobile than people say, but not Zak
 
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HawkCat said:
With a better OL, Hilinski could be pretty darned good. With our OL, we need a guy who is more multidimensional. We need to play Marty when he is cleared medically, but not because Hilinski is a bad QB.
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This. Pocket was collapsing on him all day and no receiver fast enough to get open.
 
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Deeringfish said:
This. Pocket was collapsing on him all day and no receiver fast enough to get open.
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His skillset, at least against tough pass rushes, doesn't fit us. We need a guy that can run for his life. It's not a panacea, see IUs sub QB last night or PSUs v Iowa, but when we are getting blown off the ball (why????), the QB must be able to escape occasionally.
 
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techtim72

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It seems like a whole lot of members advocate for a mobile QB but in recent years NU recruiting has brought in only pro style (This descriptive is losing it's relevance as the pros very much are seeking out mobile QBs ). I suppose NU isn't against mobile QBs but their primary requirement is that a recruit has to be able to rocket complete a 10 yard down and out. Until recruiting or the portal brings in a QB with wheels, we can look forward to more of the same offensive issues.
 
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corbi2961

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Deeringfish said:
This. Pocket was collapsing on him all day and no receiver fast enough to get open.
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He missed a lot of open receivers yesterday. He either made the wrong read, flat out missed the throw on the right read or completed the pass but his ball placement was very off negatively impacting the result of the play.
 
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NUera

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corbi296 said:
He missed a lot of open receivers yesterday. He either made the wrong read, flat out missed the throw on the right read or completed the pass but his ball placement was very off negatively impacting the result of the play.
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While I appreciate you attempting to be measured by repeatedly qualifying your opinions with “yesterday,” the performance elements you’re criticizing have been obvious to others for weeks. It’s not just “yesterday,” it’s who he is — this season, anyway. That said, I’m glad you’ve come around.
 
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corbi2961

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NUera said:
While I appreciate you attempting to be measured by repeatedly qualifying your opinions with “yesterday,” the performance elements you’re criticizing have been obvious to others for weeks. It’s not just “yesterday,” it’s who he is — this season, anyway. That said, I’m glad you’ve come around.
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Yesterday was worse, obviously in part because the competition was better. I was hoping he would take a step up and build on the Rutgers game but it seems the rate of progress is very slow or stagnant. I think we are seeing why he came out of summer camp #3 on the depth chart. His skill sets are not a great fit for the talents on this NU offense.
 
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corbi296 said:
Yesterday was worse, obviously in part because the competition was better. I was hoping he would take a step up and build on the Rutgers game but it seems the rate of progress is very slow or stagnant. I think we are seeing we came out of summer camp #3 on the depth chart. His skill sets are not a great fit for the talents on this NU offense.
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The bigger issue is that I have no idea what our “talents” are on offense right now.
 
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willycat said:
True and that's because he is a lot better than Marty.
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Not from what we have seen. QB mobility would have been a big asset in this game. Hilinski made descent decisions buthe missed on a lot of throws that could have helped.
 
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CatManTrue said:
Trevor Siemian wasn’t a more popular backup QB with fans than Colter when he was starting?

He sure was in my household.
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Reread the thread. I was saying there have been some QBs where the backup QB WASN'T the most popular QB. When we started a natural WR at the position most certainly wasn't one of those times.
 
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