Iowa also skipping the Crown and NIT.

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The Big Ten is contractually bound to supply two teams to the Crown, but what happens if all the eligible teams opt out of it?
 

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with the start of the portal a week before the crown starts, just seems like an awkward time to commit to playing a tournament (that is not the big dance).
 

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The 2 B1G auto bids will likely be Nebraska and Rutgers. Probably not ideal fan bases to travel to Vegas but it’s all about TV money anyways.
 

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Or so that's the word on the street.

The Big Ten is contractually bound to supply two teams to the Crown, but what happens if all the eligible teams opt out of it?
Well they don't have a HC so it makes sense
 

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I’d be surprised if Rutgers can field a team to play in the Crown. There is no way that Harper and Bailey will play and I think they are expecting at least two kids to hit the portal.
 

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It seems pretty clear that in the portal era, these extra tournaments are kind of useless to the teams in the major conferences. Doesn’t seem that anyone even wants to play.
 
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I can't seem to find any Crown bracket or even a current list of participants. That suggests to me that there are still some negotiations going on behind the scenes.
 

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I mean the whole thing's a joke, let's just make it like AAU and pull a couple kids from different schools.
Nobody wants to be involved in a second-tier tournament a week AFTER the portal starts.
 
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I mean the whole thing's a joke, let's just make it like AAU and pull a couple kids from different schools.
Nobody wants to be involved in a second-tier tournament a week AFTER the portal starts.
Maybe the Crown is the canary in the coal mine. The DOA Crown is a warning that the system is eating itself alive.
 

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Maybe the Crown is the canary in the coal mine. The DOA Crown is a warning that the system is eating itself alive.
I am not certain the point you are making.

I will just say that a made for TV nonsense tournament for charitably described mediocre teams that exactly 0 people outside of TV executives and degenerate gamblers were asking for, reflects more on the “adults” than it does on any college basketball player/employee who has put in their full 32 games and 4 and a half months.
 
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I am not certain the point you are making.

I will just say that a made for TV nonsense tournament for charitably described mediocre teams that exactly 0 people outside of TV executives and degenerate gamblers were asking for, reflects more on the “adults” than it does on any college basketball player/employee who has put in their full 32 games and 4 and a half months.
Most teams in years past would play in the NIT if invited. Most would even hang a banner for it in their gym.
 

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Most teams in years past would play in the NIT if invited. Most would even hang a banner for it in their gym.
Back in the days when the player-employees were chattel told what to do by their employer. And then, coaches salaries went up and up and up. And more assistant coaches and more administrators. And then the CBI tournament. And yet more television.

So, again, it is not paying the employees that broke the romance we used to have. The universities chose to do so long before the 18-22 year olds did.
 
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Back in the days when the player-employees were chattel told what to do by their employer. And then, coaches salaries went up and up and up. And more assistant coaches and more administrators. And then the CBI tournament. And yet more television.

So, again, it is not paying the employees that broke the romance we used to have. The universities chose to do so long before the 18-22 year olds did.
I would've played basketball for a free education. The Big Ten teams started paying stipends, too, so don't pretend that there was never any reform. It beats digging ditches over the summer. There are professional basketball leagues for those not interested in the free education.
 

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I would've played basketball for a free education. The Big Ten teams started paying stipends, too, so don't pretend that there was never any reform. It beats digging ditches over the summer. There are professional basketball leagues for those not interested in the free education.
I always hated this argument of I’d play for the free college. People said that to me many decades ago. My response was “Then why didn’t you” ? It really easy to say this and I am sure it’s true of most students. I would have loved to replace Bill Wyman on bass for the Rolling Stones and would have done it for expenses. Thing is no one ever wanted to see me up on stage with Mick and Keith.
 

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Most teams in years past would play in the NIT if invited. Most would even hang a banner for it in their gym.
For many they used success in the NIT to jumpstart their following year, I can think of a few champions that did well the next year in the Dance. There was some status to it but when you then add Crown it makes everything but the dance somewhat irrelevant. To think that the NIT was once the BIg Dog.

Want to give these other tourneys some relavance again? Have a number of play in games that get winners into the dance somewhat like the last four in
 
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I always hated this argument of I’d play for the free college. People said that to me many decades ago. My response was “Then why didn’t you” ? It really easy to say this and I am sure it’s true of most students. I would have loved to replace Bill Wyman on bass for the Rolling Stones and would have done it for expenses. Thing is no one ever wanted to see me up on stage with Mick and Keith.
Being 6-9 inches taller would certainly help. But I'm not, so I had to work my *** off to get into and pay for college. I don't begrudgingly these athletes for leveraging their talents to earn a free education, and many thousands willingly took that deal in years past.

I will never see that as slavery.
 

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I will never see that as slavery.
It's not slavery, but it is certainly exploitation. Universities used a situation where they had all the power to create a system where they could profit from the players' talent while paying them far less than their market value. That's pretty much the textbook definition of exploitation. You and I would have been happy to take that deal, and many players were happy to as well because there were really no other options, but that doesn't make it any less exploitative.
 
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It's not slavery, but it is certainly exploitation. Universities used a situation where they had all the power to create a system where they could profit from the players' talent while paying them far less than their market value. That's pretty much the textbook definition of exploitation. You and I would have been happy to take that deal, and many players were happy to as well because there were really no other options, but that doesn't make it any less exploitative.
They're free to play for a professional sports league for their market value instead of an education
 

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They're free to play for a professional sports league for their market value instead of an education
The university’s never wanted that. They are making millions being the de facto minor leagues for football and to a lesser extent basketball. They would jettison this whole concept of “student athlete” if it was a loss leader. The University doesn’t make less money due to Carl the Car dealer funding their point guard. In fact, then benefit from the exposure. University’s are not funneled their TV money and other revenue to athletes out of the goodness of their hearts.

Were you ready for your profession when you entered NU? The university system provides the training ground for professional athletes similar to any other profession, but the key for the University is both the tangible and reputational value these athletes bring to the Schools.
 

PURPLECAT88

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They're free to play for a professional sports league for their market value instead of an education
Theoretically, sure. But here in the real world, none of those minor leagues were set up to get the most value out of young players the way the NCAA is. The proof is in the results. The market opened up and players started making millions. That's pretty good evidence that they were previously being exploited.
 
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Theoretically, sure. But here in the real world, none of those minor leagues were set up to get the most value out of young players the way the NCAA is. The proof is in the results. The market opened up and players started making millions. That's pretty good evidence that they were previously being exploited.
Sounds like the "market value" is in the universities, not the players, if the players can't command those "market prices" in professional leagues.
 

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There has always been a market for college football. In fact, I believe college football preceded pro football (1869 vs 1892).

College football has always been the only realistic conduit to the NFL. That alone is a strong incentive for players.