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Women...yes. Men...top 10 class coming in. Lon gets a pass for now.
Change em both or it’ll be the same every year.
Neither are elite and neither can elevate their program.
Neither are elite and neither can elevate their program.
On the girls side they had several girls transfer out for whatever reasons. They have 8 freshman, and only 2 seniors on the team. She is bringing in several 4 star recruits. I know she hasnt done well the last few seasons, but Coale has gotten them into the tournament almost every year.
According to google, D1 women's basketball are allowed 15 scholarships. So why every year I look over and OU only has about 10 kids on the bench and we are struggling on the court. I know Sherri doesn't want to give a schollie just to "give a schollie" but damn when your team is struggling in games and at practice with numbers, why not fill your allotment? When you're allowed 15, why just have 9-10? They can't be red shirting because next year is the same numbers,,,always 9 or 10?
Most women's teams have 13 or fewer players and I've read it's all about saving money.
OU has 12 or 13 depending on which site you look at.
Baylor has 12
Stanford has the full 15
Notre Dame has 14
Louisville and South Carolina have 13
Tennessee has 11
UConn has 10, and beyond the starting 5, there are only 2 reserves that can be regarded as average players.
Sherri Coale has a decent track record, her team is in a decent conference, there are financial resources....at least to pay her $1.1 million a year.....and the Lloyd Noble Center is either pending renovation or replacement. She must match Baylor and Texas recruiting to have her program become truly relevant again, and that's been a long time coming. I'm no longer sure Coale can out-recruit Baylor (with its drama queen, loud mouth coach) and Texas.
Women's basketball isn't going away at OU. Since that's the case, maybe it's time Castigione to decide either to stay status quo or step up the program to compete for championships.
It seems Coale has painted herself in a corner.
OU has 12 or 13 depending on which site you look at.
Baylor has 12
Stanford has the full 15
Notre Dame has 14
Louisville and South Carolina have 13
Tennessee has 11
UConn has 10, and beyond the starting 5, there are only 2 reserves that can be regarded as average players.
Sherri Coale has a decent track record, her team is in a decent conference, there are financial resources....at least to pay her $1.1 million a year.....and the Lloyd Noble Center is either pending renovation or replacement. She must match Baylor and Texas recruiting to have her program become truly relevant again, and that's been a long time coming. I'm no longer sure Coale can out-recruit Baylor (with its drama queen, loud mouth coach) and Texas.
Women's basketball isn't going away at OU. Since that's the case, maybe it's time Castigione to decide either to stay status quo or step up the program to compete for championships.
It seems Coale has painted herself in a corner.
[QUOTE="CTOkie, post: 2596396, member: 814"the Lloyd Noble Center is either pending renovation or replacement.[/QUOTE]
Barring an unexpected huge donation that would basically pay for the entire project it’s going to be a very long time before the Lloyd Noble Center is renovated or replacement.
There are rumors that other nearby cities are interested in building a new large arena and that OU would sign a contract to play its men’s basketball games in an out of town arena.
This City of Norman leadership isn’t interested in providing any help to OU sports.... in spite of the fact that OU sports pumps in many millions of dollars to the Norman economy every year.
Barring an unexpected huge donation that would basically pay for the entire project it’s going to be a very long time before the Lloyd Noble Center is renovated or replacement.
There are rumors that other nearby cities are interested in building a new large arena and that OU would sign a contract to play its men’s basketball games in an out of town arena.
This City of Norman leadership isn’t interested in providing any help to OU sports.... in spite of the fact that OU sports pumps in many millions of dollars to the Norman economy every year.
Why should the taxpayers of Norman be required to foot most of the bill for a new OU sports venue? Norman residents are a large part of who pumps in those many of millions dollars to the Norman economy.
Lon should have been gone after last season with how debacle in not going big with Lattin and McNease together with Trae to rebound and get in transition. He lost his best player coming back in McGusty and should have started him last year with Brady at the 3. The one position we need in a PF/C and we need more than one player here he didn’t get in replacing Lattin. Who he should have never recruited instead recruiting Shaq Morris. Then he goes out and gets Kur Kuath. A JC big that weighs 170 pounds soaked wet and he is going to play him in this League? Playing Brady at the 4? Recruiting Matt Freeman? And Polla! Recruiting no front court players, playing players out of position, no movement on offense and recruiting the same wings who can’t shoot and can only penetrate in a league where you can’t do that because of quick guard play and bigs inside. Yes. He needs to be gone today. His recruiting sucks. His coaching sucks. His in game adjustments suck. I’m a lifelong die hard OU basketball fan. Played on Lnc when I was 5. I haven’t been to a game in 2 years. I can’t stand to watch up get beat down and not compete. It’s too hard to make the drive from Dallas to watch us get blown out with no talent on the floor.
That’s not the problem....The problem is that too many in the city do not want to help OU sports by one penny or to help with other issues such as traffic congestion.
Again that’s not the problem....The problem is many with the city do not want to help OU sports even by one penny or in any other way!
Many other college community’s and states help their local universities sports programs with tax dollars. because they are smart enough to know there is an economic benefit.
There are plenty of people working for the city of Norman and others in Norman who hate OU sports with a passion.
When the city of Norman has had flooding issues for many decades it shows how poorly they managed things. It speaks to the poor quality of their choices. They have shown repeated signs of short sighted decisions for decades.
Yes I live in Norman and have followed the city government for over 2 decades... comparing what they do to other cities who are more successful in taking advantage of their wealth building opportunities.
The city of Norman was projected to see a full pay back on their investment with the last arena proposal ....but city’s position now seems to be zero new help for OU sports forever... and no new negotiations....
This is why OU is rumored to be looking at moving its men’s basketball out of Norman and to a municipality who would enjoy the extra tax benefits and benefits to local business that an arena brings. This would include many lucrative non OU events. This is what makes the city of Norman so short sighted and really not very fiscally smart for its long term good.
Who projected that the arena would pay citizens back for their investment? The OU Foundation can certainly find private investment if the project is as badass and profitable as they claim it would be. No TIF doesn't mean no funding.
Where are you hearing that OU is rumored to be looking at moving men's basketball? That's quite contrary to what OU Athletics and OU have stated.
A study was conducted that made the projection....Right now I can’t remember who conducted it?
You’re never going to hear OU officials go on record about rumors like these... until the deal is done but this is being talked about by important people...let’s see where it goes.
The study wasn't done. That was the $40,000 in UNP TIF funds the city council nixed before the OU Foundation withdrew their proposal.
OU isn't going to move men's basketball anywhere. That makes zero sense. There's only one arena in the metro that could be used besides Lloyd Noble. There's no way OU Athletics would pay what it would cost to play in the Chesapeake Energy Arena on a regular basis plus lose the concession revenue. They aren't stupid.
Maybe the study wasn’t completed but there was a study that indicated the city would receive its money back...The city council discussed it. It was a hot campaign topic in the city council race. On that there is absolutely no question that a study said the city would receive its money back over time....
This is also common sense. A better made for basketball facility is bound to help OU recruiting which in turn would help attract larger more consistent crowds. The new arena was projected to host many money making non OU events... that would attract thousands of additional visitors to Norman from a wide area who would spend new money in our economy including hotel and sales tax. The Norman public schools were going to use this arena....So were community events.
OU very much desires a replacement for the LNC. OU isn’t talking about playing in the CHK arena but in an arena that would be much smaller and located in an OKC suburb with easy access and in a city that is not nearly known to be as difficult to get along with as Norman...who has a very well-known and deserved reputation by many besides OU for their lack of cooperation on other issues.
My personal opinion is that I would like to see any new OU arena built just east or NE of the OU football stadium.
The possibility of OU moving to its men’s basketball games out of Norman has among others also been discussed by at least 5 KREF 1400 AM talk show host who are well connected to OU.
Barring an unexpected huge donation that would basically pay for the entire project it’s going to be a very long time before the Lloyd Noble Center is renovated or replacement.
There are rumors that other nearby cities are interested in building a new large arena and that OU would sign a contract to play its men’s basketball games in an out of town arena.
This City of Norman leadership isn’t interested in providing any help to OU sports.... in spite of the fact that OU sports pumps in many millions of dollars to the Norman economy every year.[/QUOTE]
City of Norman leadership has always been full of losers
The entities involved in the prospective development are the ones who stated that Norman would receive the money back. That's what those people do. The study that was voted against would have been the independent study to confirm that.
Not sure how a smaller arena is going to attract larger crowds. OU's basketball attendance is always tied to the product on the court. A new arena isn't going to change that dynamic especially with the competition OU basketball now has from the Thunder.
OU desires a replacement for Lloyd Noble? OU was not even firm on the idea of playing in an arena operated by a third party. What other city is going to build a 10,000 seat arena for OU basketball? Moore? Yukon? Bethany? Edmond? Del City?
What would you tear down to build NE of the stadium?
That's what talk shows are for, talking. There is not an arena that can house OU outside of the Chesapeake and if there's a metro area city talking about building an arena for OU basketball, surely there's a credible link about that kind of project available to post.
Do what they do @ the U of Iowa (if not being done already). Iowa Athletic Dept owns the land that the U of Ia Hospitals & Clinics are built on. At the very least, the Ath Dept receives all the parking revenue for 3 or 4 high rise garages and a huge underground parking lot under the street in front of Kinnick
The study’s results, approved or not, were discussed in city council meetings which are a matter of record and also among candidates for city council who I had personal conversations with.
New athletic facilities have been shown to improve recruiting, which normally means more winning, which normally attract larger crowds....which would normally increases the amount of money spent in the community. OU basketball crowds in recent years have mostly been not very good. Virtually all basketball people for decades have understood the LNC was never a good arena for basketball.
The LNC is also poorly positioned to capture out of town money. Many out of town people drive in on HY9 and right back out of town on HY 9. A new arena located east or NE of the football stadium would have a lot more people visiting existing business on Campus Corner and in downtown Norman. This would provide Norman with a bigger pay back than the LNC and not require the construction of brand new businesses. Build a couple of large nearby parking garages which are needed anyway for everyday use and this is a great location.
Why do you assume anything would need to be torn down for a new OU arena in this location? How many other college arenas and football stadiums have you been in?
IDK if anything will ever be built but If you need credibility call KREF at 2 PM and ask them about this. They were the last on air people I heard talking about this.
OU should build a new 3000 seat basketball arena. No one comes to the games. When you resort to giving free seats to students and they still stay away is a problem that needs fixing. Shoot, while I attended OU, you could get an entry ticket for as low as 6 dollars.
If OU got serious about making OU a basketball school. Fix the product on the floor, and go get a top flight coach.
If OU got serious about making OU a basketball school. Fix the product on the floor, and go get a top flight coach.
^This really is more true than most know...
But the bad news is how much more time they are wasting catering to the identity political issues of a very small percentage of the city’s population and not solving problems that impact virtually the entire city’s population.
Instead of securing more water for Norman their solution was permanent water rationing even in record wet years. The last I knew Lindsay street west of Elm was still considered the most congested street in Oklahoma. Parts of Norman have flooded for many decades. Except for Main Street there are virtually no timed traffic lights. The city allows mosquitoes to become a health issue.
Ask any contractor how hard the city of Norman is to deal with on inspections and permits. It's so bad that some apparently will no longer conduct business in Norman and others charge more for their services.
Lon is a safe and solid coach which is what was needed after Capel. I don't know if he has that extra gear that will bring OU back to a final 4. Maybe its time for new blood. However, I say keep Coale
I get your passion. The city council decided that the taxpayers weren't going to fund the construction and development. There's nothing stopping the OU Foundation from seeking other options to finance it. As I stated, if it's a really good investment, someone will step up.
Where exactly would you locate it and the parking garages? The area NE of the stadium isn't a vacant field.
I'm not doubting what you heard on the radio, Soonerheart. I'm shaking my head no if they're saying that OU is looking for a new venue for basketball in some other city. It's not true.
Apparently other options include discussions about moving OU men’s basketball to another area suburb. If OU was willing to move OU basketball to an off campus location that was under consideration I don’t think it’s a huge additional step, logically or emotionally to move it entirely out of Norman.
The area NE of the stadium is mostly a parking lot. This is a great location for a new arena. ....OU has been buying and removing the houses in this area for the past 10 or so years. Very few remain. Many larger universities have their arena located near its football stadium where fans can stay out of the weather, be entertained and buy food / drink. Along with the additional parking this would help the OU football game day experience for more fans.
For new parking garages... There is plenty of room in existing parking lots on the south and east sides of the Sarkeys Energy center.... there is even more available land in the parking lot just north of the track and field facility. A smaller parking garage could be built in the lot on the east side of the old field house. There are also other existing nearby parking options...This location also allows an opportunity for many students to walk or ride bus shuttles.
There are also plans too eventually start a central Oklahoma commuter rail system with an OU train stop near the Duck Pond that if implemented could bring in thousands of people to many different OU events. This would be great for people who hate driving at night in heavy traffic from places like Edmond.....This would help reduce traffic congestion and the parking demand for many OU events thus helping everyone.
As is the case with many big plans, shown me the money.... At least part of this money that would support this total vision /project should come from the city of Norman.
That doesn't necessarily mean spending money for the arena or parking garages.... but it might mean spending money for items that are already needed to reduce traffic congestion and for other city services. The city should pay for parts of the future train station and help with bus shuttles to OU events.
If you’re a medic you may already be aware of how emergency services can be delayed by Norman traffic congestion which increases risk to life and property. City leaders have an obligation to improve this in reasonable ways even when OU is involved.
Teddy Lehman spoke today on air about the possibility of a new arena and said the he still held out hope that a new arena could be constructed. He agreed with his host that it would help OU recruiting.
He indicated that he knew that a new arena in a community besides Norman was still a possibility for OU.
Anyone not taking this threat seriously is miscalculating and not understanding what the new breed of OU leaders are capable of doing.
The university exist for benefit all Oklahomans and not just people in Norman who compared to many other university communities that OU is in strong competition with receive more local support for their projects. It very apparent that OU sports is taken for granted by far too many in the city on Norman.
A city like Moore OK who is a good OU town desires a convention center. They could pretty easily incorporate a new arena into their plans and locate near I-35 in south near their existing shopping and dining areas.
He indicated that he knew that a new arena in a community besides Norman was still a possibility for OU.
Anyone not taking this threat seriously is miscalculating and not understanding what the new breed of OU leaders are capable of doing.
The university exist for benefit all Oklahomans and not just people in Norman who compared to many other university communities that OU is in strong competition with receive more local support for their projects. It very apparent that OU sports is taken for granted by far too many in the city on Norman.
A city like Moore OK who is a good OU town desires a convention center. They could pretty easily incorporate a new arena into their plans and locate near I-35 in south near their existing shopping and dining areas.
Soonerheart, I first want to say thanks for the conversation. I also want you to know that I think you have great ideas. None of my responses were meant to demean your ideas. I actually agree with most of what you have to say.
It would be great for OU to have a new facility. I, just like you, hoped that something would come out of the OU Foundation proposal. But the current reality is that OU isn't moving OU basketball. The Foundation deal was the longshot to make that a possibility sooner rather than later.
I'm not posting to be argumentative with you. I'm just posting what I know. I've worked with OU Athletics for almost 24 years. And yes, I'm a medic in the city you call home. 24 years in counting. If Norman would adopt my ideas for the traffic issue, the city and all of its citizens would be bankrupt but nobody would complain about the traffic.
There it is again. Lon is afraid of recruiting a center who can bang and rebound. And we need a lightning quick guard. And we win tonight. We lose because A. He is a terrible recruiter. Need bigs and shooters. B. He is a terrible in game manager. Fails to call timeouts. Doesn’t instill confidence in his players. Needs to sit down and chill. Motivate the players by being calm and positive. Not clapping his *** off and not calling timeouts and having bad lineups in when we are in the later stages of the game. Why is Odomes on the floor in crunch. He has no offensive game and why is Calixte on the bench. Where is our big man who can rebound when we need one? Where is our shooter to get us a bucket when we need one? Christian James misses 2 and Manek misses a key free throw. It is because they are not prepared. Not confident. Confidence is in repetition of what you do on a daily basis which equals performance. This is a poorly coached and asswmbiled team.
Any arm chair can say fire Lon! And they would be right. However who ya gonna bring in? I have a name. I love the Colorado coach. Look him up.
Tad Boyle would be my guy. Dude recruits good bigs and quick guards. His talent base would be immensely better in Norman. Add to that he is a firey coach and good motivator.
I used to help but when I called about a complaint I had I was basically told to get stuffed. So no more money from me ever again, no season tickets, no donations, nada. Too many entitled brats these days have to play in a Palace to come to a School, hell when I played sports we had to police the field and clear the cow patties and rocks first. 
Kruger is not doing his job, period. 19% for 3s and 53% from foul line? OU had every chance to win against Baylor last night. They looked like they wanted to lose.
There is no way they make the tourney, hopefully they will win a few in the NIT.
At this stage this would be handled by people well outside the OU athletic department and by people who would not be official OU reps. They would likely be major OU donors and others within the restate development community seeking to gage the interest in a project like this. Leman and my contacts say there is at least some preliminary interest. Teddy isn’t going to make this stuff up... He works in the restate industry and is well connected.
Furthermore the people running the city of Norman with others in the city have very long track records of difficulty with many people, not just OU.
You asked why the city of Norman should help OU.... when the real question is ...Why does the city of Norman not help when so many other leaders in literally several other dozens communities believe it’s smart to help their local universities sports programs?
It seems like it's just more poor management that we have seen on so many different issues in Norman.
The city and many others probably do not yet understand that they have never dealt with OU leadership like OU now has... who is fully backed by the OU power structure that matters in this state.
I have studied executive leadership as part of my work for about 30 years. It would be a serious mistake by you or anyone to believe this brand of OU leadership would not call the city of Normans bluff and not move OU men’s Basketball out of Norman. Unlike Boren they will not bat an eye at pissing people off... if they believe it’s in the best interest of OU and it could be.
The OU foundation needs to service OU’s nearly one billion in debt and help in other areas.
OU played 2 in state basketball games against out of state teams this season. Southern California in Tulsa, Wichita State in OKC. Clearly OU is willing to move games away from Norman.
I would like to hear your ideas on Norman area traffic congestion because its a huge source of frustration for residents and visitors alike...Some of these projects could help reduce flooding?
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I thought this thread was about if OU needed a change at head coaches.