Is the Little Sunburnt Indian coming to dinner?
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Would you like some maize on the cob?
Careful, Sunburnt...You may be walking into a trap!
The Little Sunburnt Indian is the sixth OU grad of the descendants of the Fort Sill Band of black Indians. I don't know of any OU grads of the Fort Gibson Band of black Indians. There very well could be some.
I tried to teach grandkids to steer clear of Indians, but this one married a card carrying Choctaw Nation member. I don't know where I went wrong.
Just kidding. I'm proud of both these youngsters. Woman Called Wesley is OU grad, too.
I tried to teach grandkids to steer clear of Indians, but this one married a card carrying Choctaw Nation member. I don't know where I went wrong.
Just kidding. I'm proud of both these youngsters. Woman Called Wesley is OU grad, too.
Along time ago, it was the Frenchman who I first heard use the term to describe Oklahoma's black Indian population. In the black Indian community, "sunburnt" Indian went on to define any North American black Indian.
Actress Heather Locklear is a sunburnt Indian, being Lumbee- European Caucasian-Sub Saharan African. Former secretary of state Condaleezza Rice is Cherokee-Sub Saharan African-European Caucasian. They don't look alike. My own DNA admix closely resembles Rice. My skin color is closer to Locklear. My wide Sub Saharan nose sometimes gives me away.
Actor Woody Strode fits the mold being Blackfoot-Sub Saharan African.
Other famous "sunburnt" Indian tri-racial isolates include Ava Gardner, Elvis Presley, Abraham Lincoln, George C. Scott, and Tom Hanks.
Most of us take great pride in our rainbow parents. The little sunburnt Indian has rainbow parents and I know he's thrilled with them. His children, if any, will have rainbow parents, meaning different colors.
Actress Heather Locklear is a sunburnt Indian, being Lumbee- European Caucasian-Sub Saharan African. Former secretary of state Condaleezza Rice is Cherokee-Sub Saharan African-European Caucasian. They don't look alike. My own DNA admix closely resembles Rice. My skin color is closer to Locklear. My wide Sub Saharan nose sometimes gives me away.
Actor Woody Strode fits the mold being Blackfoot-Sub Saharan African.
Other famous "sunburnt" Indian tri-racial isolates include Ava Gardner, Elvis Presley, Abraham Lincoln, George C. Scott, and Tom Hanks.
Most of us take great pride in our rainbow parents. The little sunburnt Indian has rainbow parents and I know he's thrilled with them. His children, if any, will have rainbow parents, meaning different colors.
Sunburnt a question. Did you have a DNA test and did you have any American Indian register? My cousin took one several years ago and was told Indians didn't register in DNA. Has that changed. He did register 18% sub-Saharan as did my older brother a few years ago.
Yep, I've got to do the DNA thing.
I suppose they're all the same, and around the same price, 150 bucks.
Curiosity is getting the better of me about that.
(funny story, when DNA first became available commercially, my Dad had me tested to ensure I was his.
That kind of hurt beings I was 42 years old. However, in hindsight what really hurt was when he appealed it)
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fitty, make sure you do the DNA ethnicity test. Some people send off a sample and a check and learn only a single family group. Heck, we can all look at each other and tell our dominant family group.
Wow! K2 is over 1/8th African American (older brother 18% Sub Saharan African). Do we need to kick K2 off the board? LOL! The DNA guys can indeed pinpoint Indigenous American (American Indian). Cherokee is the only North American tribe they can pinpoint. They can't seperate Kiowa from Pawmunky. Cherokee is near East Asian match. The lab guys believe Cherokee was last to walk across the Bering Strait to North America. Thus the East Asian near match. I know some card carrying Cherokees who have been mistaken for Chinese or Japanese.
There are only four family groups. European Caucasian, Indigenous American, East Asian and Sub Saharan African. I am part of all four. I'm 9% East Asian with no Koreans in my family tree, meaning Cherokee. I'm 12% Indigenous American. Condi Rice is 13% East Asian, so PBS tells me. My DNA ethnicity tests were performed at Genelex labs in Seattle.
59, As you know, Locklear is a very common name among the Lumbee. Heather Locklear's Lumbee father works at UCLA. Her mother is Scot.
What I always found interesting with the Lumbee? While stationed in SC, my father was invited to join the Lumbee Nation. The Lumbee will take anybody, as will the Binay.
Former OU basketball coach Kelvin Sampson is Lumbee.
Wow! K2 is over 1/8th African American (older brother 18% Sub Saharan African). Do we need to kick K2 off the board? LOL! The DNA guys can indeed pinpoint Indigenous American (American Indian). Cherokee is the only North American tribe they can pinpoint. They can't seperate Kiowa from Pawmunky. Cherokee is near East Asian match. The lab guys believe Cherokee was last to walk across the Bering Strait to North America. Thus the East Asian near match. I know some card carrying Cherokees who have been mistaken for Chinese or Japanese.
There are only four family groups. European Caucasian, Indigenous American, East Asian and Sub Saharan African. I am part of all four. I'm 9% East Asian with no Koreans in my family tree, meaning Cherokee. I'm 12% Indigenous American. Condi Rice is 13% East Asian, so PBS tells me. My DNA ethnicity tests were performed at Genelex labs in Seattle.
59, As you know, Locklear is a very common name among the Lumbee. Heather Locklear's Lumbee father works at UCLA. Her mother is Scot.
What I always found interesting with the Lumbee? While stationed in SC, my father was invited to join the Lumbee Nation. The Lumbee will take anybody, as will the Binay.
Former OU basketball coach Kelvin Sampson is Lumbee.
Sunburnt, I think my brother and first cousin took the DNA in it's infancy. They both told me our Cherokee heritage didn't register. We thought the sub Saharan covered that. My grandfather looked more like Cochise than any white man I know. My mother actually resembled Ava Gardner in her early days. She fought until her death to be included on the Cherokee rolls and won. I have cousins with similar skin features of Jeff Goldblum, the actor. He is a Russian Jew.
I resemble more of my German father. Here's my favorite baby picture..............
I resemble more of my German father. Here's my favorite baby picture..............
K2, Cherokee would show as East Asian. No East Asian DNA, no Cherokee. Indigenous American would show if American Indian. Sub Saharan African would show if Negro.
It sounds if you're pretty much like me. It seems that you very well could be an Upper South Melungeon tri-racial isolate.
Inter-marrige with freed African slaves was common with the Cherokee. German seems common among the Melungeons with the "sub-human" Irish being dominant. It seems the Irish wouldn't marry the Indian or the African, but would latch on to the offspring of such, as my Irish mother did. Viking (Northwestern European) is a heavy mix in my DNA from father
I was part of the 2005 DNA Melungeon project. The lab guys found double joints common. I have double jointed thumbs. I have the Central Asian cranial ridge. I have Asian shovel teeth. I do not have the Anatolian bump at the back of the skull, but six grandchildren do, including the Little Sunburnt Indian.
If you have any of these features, let us know. This is getting quite interesting.
It sounds if you're pretty much like me. It seems that you very well could be an Upper South Melungeon tri-racial isolate.
Inter-marrige with freed African slaves was common with the Cherokee. German seems common among the Melungeons with the "sub-human" Irish being dominant. It seems the Irish wouldn't marry the Indian or the African, but would latch on to the offspring of such, as my Irish mother did. Viking (Northwestern European) is a heavy mix in my DNA from father
I was part of the 2005 DNA Melungeon project. The lab guys found double joints common. I have double jointed thumbs. I have the Central Asian cranial ridge. I have Asian shovel teeth. I do not have the Anatolian bump at the back of the skull, but six grandchildren do, including the Little Sunburnt Indian.
If you have any of these features, let us know. This is getting quite interesting.
Yep, that Melungeon term has come up repeatedly in the lineage question with regard to the Black Dutch, Mothers side of the clan.
I'll know for sure in good time.
Amazing how they can determine those questions to the nth degree.
(funny story, when DNA first became available commercially, my Dad had me tested to ensure I was his.
That kind of hurt beings I was 42 years old. However, in hindsight what really hurt was when he appealed it)
One of the greatest lines in movie history:
Jackie Gleason as Buford T Justice in Smokey and the Bandit -
"Junior! When we get home, remind me to ssssllllap yo MAMA, cause there is NO WAY you came from MY LOINS!"
fitty, Black Dutch is a term dreamed up in the 1830s to avoid persecution from government. Many Native Oklahoman's claim Black Dutch descent. One sure didn't want to claim Cherokee, Chickasaw, Creek, Choctaw or Seminole when the soldiers came. You packed your bags for Oklahoma. If you test, give us some numbers.
Well, I've been told by doctors I am double jointed, but with no ex-rays. In my younger days I could turn my feet backwards and walk. I could throw both of my legs over my head and walk on my hands. That was great fun for entertaining high school friends, but alas, the older days it means arthritis in the joints. I'll have to research the other features you mention, because I'm not exactly sure what they are........
K2, Put a finger at the back of the neck. Run the finger up toward the top of the head. A roadblock to the finger at the neck skull area is a Central Asian Cranial Ridge. The Anatolian bump is simply a bump at the back of the skull just above the neck. The bump can be center or off center and came from birth.
Your four upper front teeth will have a PRONOUNCED ridge near the gum line. Feel it with a fingernail. All four or two front may have the ridge. These may be Asian Shovel Teeth.
The lab guys tell me this doesn't prove one is of Melungeon descent, but is very strong evidence.
Strong evidence I see in you is 18% Sub Saharan African and goofy joints. Suggestions I see in you is Cherokee.
And believe me. I've done testing and lots and lots of research.
Your four upper front teeth will have a PRONOUNCED ridge near the gum line. Feel it with a fingernail. All four or two front may have the ridge. These may be Asian Shovel Teeth.
The lab guys tell me this doesn't prove one is of Melungeon descent, but is very strong evidence.
Strong evidence I see in you is 18% Sub Saharan African and goofy joints. Suggestions I see in you is Cherokee.
And believe me. I've done testing and lots and lots of research.
