Check out @RealJayWilliams's Tweet: Personally I think K can handle his own team just fine...I love Grayson and don't condone his actions but the Louisville and FSU guys SHOULD have had their actions reviewed as well by the ACC office..It cuts both ways...K will do whats right, and reached out to Leonard Hamilton today Jay...Hope thats enough for you...
Jay Williams wants Grayson to sit
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You're making reasonable points, but you're stirring the pot. Let this non-story die already.
I will take that serious when Jay, the other announcers, etc call out the other stuff. Isn't it poor sportsmanship when you deliberately foul, take cheap shots, etc. because the other team has no depth and you know they can't retaliate? The Louisville game was a joke the way it was called. Half that garbage would have been called in a hockey game.
Hey dude I work two jobs, just got home and my FIRST POST on this,,,Give me a break alright- they're my team too...
Jay awfully quick to throw stones at 18 year old Duke kid. I recall some pretty bush league stuff JWill did at his days at Duke. We get it Jay Will, it's s Duke kid and you fell you have to make a public spectacle of him so you don't seem biased. Pretty sad on JWills part I think.
It's a message board man. Feel free to post whatever the heck you want. Within the rules of course.
I've come to the conclusion that sport analysts should not be allowed to comment or report one way or another on their alma mater. They're going to be viewed as wrong in either direction they go.
Unless you're Pubert Davis. That guy had no shame in pumping Caroline every damn week. And they sucked.
I think he just meant there are multiple other threads this could have gone into.
Perception is reality.
It may not be truth, but it is reality to most people.
The perception is that Grayson is a privileged Duke
player who gets the benefit of the doubt.
I go to church with ACC fans, SEC fans and even a few others.
When the subject of Duke comes up, they all think Duke
and Coach K have the ACC officials in their back pocket.
IOW, they always get the benefit of the doubt.
Once again, perception is reality.
The ACC not doing anything to Grayson actually hurts Duke IMO.
Coach K sitting him might mitigate that, but that remains to be seen.
Duke will not get ACC officials in the NCAA tourney. This unwanted
publicity will play into the minds of other officials, consciously or
subconsciously. Duke, and especially Grayson Allen, will not
get the benefit of the doubt in the NCAA tourney.
I suspect there will be some wailing and gnashing of teeth regarding
officiating after the inevitable departure from the NCAA tourney.
Coach K would be wise to sit him for at least one game and make it clear
(more than just words) that punkish behavior is not condoned at Duke!
It may not be truth, but it is reality to most people.
The perception is that Grayson is a privileged Duke
player who gets the benefit of the doubt.
I go to church with ACC fans, SEC fans and even a few others.
When the subject of Duke comes up, they all think Duke
and Coach K have the ACC officials in their back pocket.
IOW, they always get the benefit of the doubt.
Once again, perception is reality.
The ACC not doing anything to Grayson actually hurts Duke IMO.
Coach K sitting him might mitigate that, but that remains to be seen.
Duke will not get ACC officials in the NCAA tourney. This unwanted
publicity will play into the minds of other officials, consciously or
subconsciously. Duke, and especially Grayson Allen, will not
get the benefit of the doubt in the NCAA tourney.
I suspect there will be some wailing and gnashing of teeth regarding
officiating after the inevitable departure from the NCAA tourney.
Coach K would be wise to sit him for at least one game and make it clear
(more than just words) that punkish behavior is not condoned at Duke!
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I think he should get the same punishment Ben Simmons got. Sit until the first TV timeout. That'll learn him!
Due to success, some people consistently look for negative things about Duke that they can drastically blow out if proportion. It has been that way for awhile, comes with the territory. I assure you with confidence, Coach K could give a f*** about the "perceptions" held by that crowd.
Perception is not reality. I can perceive Allen as "privileged" but that doesn't mean it's true. If you perceive ecerythi my based on what others tell you, you are weak. You need to figure things out for what they really are. Otherwise you should not be take seriously. Allen is a good kid who made a couple bad decisions. That's it. Spare me the perception BS.
BTW, Duke has 5 national titles. All of which did not have ACC refs. Last year being the latest in case you were under a rock somewhere talking about how Duke is so privileged.
What part of the second statement did you not understand?
"Perception is reality.
It may not be truth, but it is reality to most people."
The perception is that "Jameis Winston is a rapist" : "John Calipari is
shady recruiter" ' "Grayson Allen is a punk." :"The SEC schools pay
for big time football players routinely."
There are many examples and I don't want to derail the conversation to
other subjects.
Yes, Duke will do just fine regardless. Coach K is definitely one of, if not
the best college coach in the land. He will continually field very good to great teams.
He will most likely win additional championships.
Basketball is a game of inches and calls that can go either way.
Coach K will do what he thinks best.
Duke will survive.
Perceptions will persist.
Officials are human and Grayson will get the short end of doubt out of conference.
Media playbook: 1. You should hate X Duke player. 2. Watch and analyze every move and gesture of X player. 3. Find a mistake and get OUTRAGED! 4. Get page views/clicks. 5. Write articles that Coach K isn't doing "enough" to make it right. 6. Get even more page views/clicks.
Hey, dude, I've been home sick throwing up for two days and I'm ornery. If I want to criticize you for stirring the pot, give me a break. They're my team, too.
And America.
I am getting a little tired of Jason Williams. (I prefer the name he went by at Duke.) Unfortunately, he is becoming a clone of Bilas's worst attributes, bending over bassackwards not to seem biased, all to happy to comply with espn's anti-Duke bent, and presumptuously telling K how to manage the team. I have gotten to the point that I like Greenberg better, given that he has a far more complete knowledge of the game. Makes my skin crawl almost as much as Gottlieb.
Yep...And a wise old journalist the late Bill Brill once said Bilas leans to far to the other side not to show partiality...
I wanted Jason Williams to hit his free throws against IU but we know how that worked out
Yep Pisg me too brother....But we all know Carlos got hammered on the stickback, and Matt Christensen knows too...Travesty perpetuated by former Atllanta Braves catcher turned official Bruce Benedict....(He was not much better as a catcher either)
OFC
That Boozer foul might be the biggest "miss called" I've ever seen
What bothers me is just this, refs are now looking at him , or will be. Duke cannot afford for him to get suspended for a game for stupidity. He needs to not pull this crap again.
They should also be looking for the things that are happening to him. If they're professionals who don't soak up ESPN commentary like the Gospel, they will.
But there better not be a third incident, even though the first two were different, other than that they involved a leg. Justise and Grayson have both been criticized more harshly than they deserve b/c it was leg, not an arm. You want to challenge a pass, ideally you try to get a hand on it, but if it's elsewhere, you kick it before you let it get to where it's going. The refs call it; there's a restart; next play. Pushing off w/ an arm or holding someone on a cut is a routine foul; as far as a player's mentality goes, using a leg b/c it's the closest appendage isn't that different.
See, here's what I don't get: Justise had two similar incidents last year against Virginia and UNC if I recall. I don't recall there being 3-4 threads about either incident. This is ridiculous how much attention this has gotten, thanks to various media outlets, ESPN being the most guilty. Start him on the bench against Pitt and don't play him a certain amount of time, much like Simmons's punishment, and move on.
Please stop the damn Grayson ALLEN threads, this is stupid. Keep them in one of the others. Mods, schoolem up.
It's tough watching my All time fav Duke player say some of the things he does. Jay bilas says what he thinks, pro Duke or not.... Jay plays the game.
Much more menacing I would have thought!!!hahaha.....Oh, noes! The board's resident "Attack Dog"!
Jason Williams is starting to piss me off as bad as Bilas. Hey Jay, still think unx is a one seed and the best team in the country?
OFC
Bilas doesn't bug me. I do agree that he tries a little too hard to avoid complimenting Duke, but just a little, and it's a way better alternative to what homers Hubert Davis and Kenny Smith* were/are. Plus, Bilas has earned my respect over the years so I've overcome a bit of resentment for his Duke resistance, and he's just so freakin' smart and good at his job. I'll admit, too, that I thought UNC was going to be way better this season than they are, and talentwise, I still think they should be and can be. So far, I think Roy has just done a terrible job of coaching. Of course, some of his best years of coaching involved a lot of early ugliness as he insisted on doing things his way, and when his team finally got it, they clicked really well, so I won't count my chickens or count them out just yet.
JWill bugs me b/c as smart as he is, he doesn't have the authority or gravitas Bilas does. That Superman jersey reveal shtick is an obnoxious, lowbrow gimmick, as far as I'm concerned. He's charismatic, but he hasn't won me over -- nor had the time to, really -- like Bilas eventually did. And w/o that credibility -- that accumulated benefit-of-the-doubt -- strong statements about Grayson's deserving to sit just come across like he's an opportunist playing to the masses w/ hyperbole. Still love him and am rooting for him to become one of the best in the business, but he has a ways to go.
*I'll actually concede this about Kenny Smith: He is pretty forthright about his bias... and then gives honest, fair opinions. On the one hand, maybe it is more traditionally professional to put that aside like Bilas does, to talk gushingly about what Duke and K mean to him on a personal note, like when he's doing a clip for the Duke Basketball TV show, but to go completely poker-faced and irritatingly neutral for national broadcasts. On the other hand, there's a full-disclosure element to Kenny Smith's style that is honest and refreshing, like he's not going to pull the wool over your eyes by leaving out that he's a loyal Tar Heel, so you can be as on-guard as you need to be, but then he'll give pretty fair, honest takes. In some ways, revealing that he is biased against Duke before complimenting Duke almost makes the compliment more meaningful. I guess it's kind of like the way we might sometimes wish K was a little more forthcoming w/ details like Roy instead of all Army-classified, and then Roy says something really stupid and we remember how fortunate we are to have K, and that we'll take him as he is without hesitation.
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^I am fully aware that I basically talked myself in circles in that post. It complicated. Thinking hard.