Jayson's shot selection like Jabari's?

[TheDude1]

Coming in, he had a real rep for loving high difficulty shots. In high school it worked, because physically he was just so much more advanced and bigger.

But he has really carried that over, and struggled with it, as so many of us worried he would. It reminds me a bit of Jabari, who was trying these NBA superstar moves that he couldn't pull off, rather than keeping it simple. It is a shame. I wish he was a bit more heady and tricky, and a bit more selective.

 

[CRAZIE4LIFE]

Tatum couldn't carry Jabari's jock strap

 

[DukeDenver]

Tatum is talented but not yet a good basketball player. I'm getting tired of watching him "develop" 34 minutes per game. Javin DeLaurier probably gives us a better chance to win unless Tatum is shooting lights out.

 

[Dad2ze]

Coming in, he had a real rep for loving high difficulty shots. In high school it worked, because physically he was just so much more advanced and bigger.

But he has really carried that over, and struggled with it, as so many of us worried he would. It reminds me a bit of Jabari, who was trying these NBA superstar moves that he couldn't pull off, rather than keeping it simple. It is a shame. I wish he was a bit more heady and tricky, and a bit more selective.

GTF outta here with that crazy nonsense!!! He's terrible! Total bust, ball hog, and as Sir Charles would say he's "turrible!"

 

[Mpm277]

Tatum is that dude that's already at the gym when you and your friends show up to play pick up. He's shooting by himself and looks crazy good but you still don't pick him because you know that you and your buddies will never touch the ball.

 

[HeLooks2MuchLikeDave]

So much hate. Jeez guys

 

[crazyduke3]

Jabari? lol not a chance. One played out of skull

 

[DukeDenver]

So much hate. Jeez guys

I don't see any hate here. I've been rooting for him to become a great player all year. The kid just isn't getting himself into the flow of team ball. He's had long enough. Now comes accountability. He loses his starting spot but still gets 20+ per game. It's not enough to try hard. At some point you have to perform. Josh Hairston gave it his all every time out. Does that mean he should start for Duke? No. Tatum needs to go back to the drawing board and figure out a new way to approach the game. He has the right coaches to get it done.

 

[Baller224]

Jabari was a much better player than Tatum and it's not even close. Out of Duke's 1 and dones he has been the worst to this point by far.

 

[pisgah101]

Hahaha comparing Jabari to Tatum that's pro vs middle school

 

[tommyboy15_rivals]

I remember during the recruiting process wondering why he would want to go to SLU...but after seeing him this year I really think that would've been the best choice for all involved. Stick him on a bad team and let him take all the shots because right now he has absolutely no concept of how to play team ball.

 

[TheDude1]

I think some of you may be missing the point a bit... I am comparing their shot selection, specifically and only. Jabari always seemed to be at his best when he kept it near the basket. But like Jayson, he had a tendency to a) shoot threes when it wasn't necessary yet and b) try these high difficulty mid range shots that were beautiful when they went down (and for Jabari they did, at least at the start of the season) but also are lower efficiency offense.

 

[tommyboy15_rivals]

They may have taken similar shots (areas of the floor). But the manner in which they got those shots in the flow of the offense could not be more different.

 

[Testkid]

I don't think some of you guys realize how good tatum has been on defense. According to advanced stats he has been our best defensive player.

 

[dukephysics]

I don't think some of you guys realize how good tatum has been on defense. According to advanced stats he has been our best defensive player.

What stats?
And if this is true, I no longer trust those stats. Because to argue he has been our best defender is more ridiculous than to argue he's taking good shots.
I don't mean any of this as a shot to you. I just can't believe anyone/anything suggests he's a good defender, let alone our best.

 

[pisgah101]

Hahaha according to advanced stats he is statistically our worst player

 

[Liftee]

I definitely see the Jabari correlation. I remember listening to an ACC tourney game that John Thompson was announcing and at one point he laughed and said "does Jabari ever pass the ball?"

I like Tatum as a player. He's got so much talent! He just needs to realize that the ball needs to keep moving and he doesn't need to take fall away 18 footers or drive into 3 people. He'll get his shots within the framework of the offense. It's not too late but we have had 2 NCAA flameouts with OAD's who might not have understood the team concept.

 

[nets on nets on nets]

Tatum is already a better defender than Jabari was for us (even though Jabari was playing out of position.) And Tatum has the potential to be a MUCH better college/pro defender than Jabari ever was/is.

 

[Testkid]

What stats?
And if this is true, I no longer trust those stats. Because to argue he has been our best defender is more ridiculous than to argue he's taking good shots.
I don't mean any of this as a shot to you. I just can't believe anyone/anything suggests he's a good defender, let alone our best.

I think he one of our best defenders on this team. If not him who ?. Tatum has issues with his shot selection and making good decisions but he defense and rebounding has actually been pretty good for him playing out of position.

 

[dukephysics]

I think he one of our best defenders on this team. If not him who ?. Tatum has issues with his shot selection and making good decisions but he defense and rebounding has actually been pretty good for him playing out of position.

Jefferson and Jones are CLEARLY better defenders than Tatum. It isn't close. At all.
Bolden and Jackson are also better - and they are also freshmen, so they are working from a relatively equal starting place. Granted, Bolden as a serviceable defender is only recently being realized.
Grayson and Luke are poor defenders. I have said this before and I'll say it again - in the stretches where Luke and Grayson are on the floor together, Tatum should not be out there.
I'll also mention that Tatum routinely guards a very poor player for the other team. He is 6'8", has NBA length, and is a great athlete. He has all the ability in the world to be a really, really good defender. And he isn't.
And how is he playing out of position? He is a 3 or 4. He only plays 3 (if we go bigger) or 4 (if we go smaller).
He is a good rebounder.

 

[Testkid]

Jefferson and Jones are CLEARLY better defenders than Tatum. It isn't close. At all.
Bolden and Jackson are also better - and they are also freshmen, so they are working from a relatively equal starting place. Granted, Bolden as a serviceable defender is only recently being realized.
Grayson and Luke are poor defenders. I have said this before and I'll say it again - in the stretches where Luke and Grayson are on the floor together, Tatum should not be out there.
I'll also mention that Tatum routinely guards a very poor player for the other team. He is 6'8", has NBA length, and is a great athlete. He has all the ability in the world to be a really, really good defender. And he isn't.
And how is he playing out of position? He is a 3 or 4. He only plays 3 (if we go bigger) or 4 (if we go smaller).
He is a good rebounder.

I don't think he is a terrible defender . When we have lost this year the has because Grayson Kennard and Jones have been torched by other guards. Tatum wasnt guarding dennis smith or frank mason of Kansas. That was Matt. I think the guards are at the root of our defensive issues. Tatum is not great on defense but he is better than some give him credit for. Tatum should not be playing the 4 on defense unless he is playing next to a natural center

 

[dukephysics]

I don't think he is a terrible defender . When we have lost this year the has because Grayson Kennard and Jones have been torched by other guards. Tatum wasnt guarding dennis smith or frank mason of Kansas.

I agree with you here. But I think you are missing the fact that Tatum isn't asked to guard good players. Dennis Smith and Frank Mason are awesome. Do you know what happens when they catch the ball and see Tatum guarding them? I'll give you hint....pass is the last thing on their minds. I wouldn't ask Tatum to guard them. But to say that Tatum is a good defender because we havent been beat by the guy he's guarding is confusing causality with correlation.

Tatum should not be playing the 4 on defense unless he is playing next to a natural center

I also tend to agree with you here. Except Bolden is really (in my mind) our only natural center.
If you want to insist Tatum is a good defender, we are going to have to agree to disagree.