JFK document dump today...

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Thanks. But does anyone really believe our govt will release a document—-any document—-it’s had 55years to doctor conceal etc. that would ever implicate or disclose its roll in the matter?

I’m primarily talking about the negligence (gross) of the investigation.

Please keep me posted. I’ve have always been fascinated by it all
 
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Thanks. But does anyone really believe our govt will release a document—-any document—-it’s had 55years to doctor conceal etc. that would ever implicate or disclose its roll in the matter?

I’m primarily talking about the negligence (gross) of the investigation.

Please keep me posted. I’ve have always been fascinated by it all
Your welcome my friend. I agree with you, I don't think we'll ever know the real truth of it all..I have always been interested in JFK since i wrote my first "book report" at MJP elementary in the 4th grade..so far what i've read shows that Jim Garrison was on the right trail..
 

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The government isn't going to release anything they don't want you to know about. Not saying JFK is a conspiracy or that it isn't. Either way the government is going to tell you what they think you need to hear, not the truth. You really think they're gonna ruin their own reputation? That's laughable. However, no one will ever convince me that 9/11 was exactly as they said it was. I will take it to my grave that it was an inside job.
 
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Citing Gerald posners book as definitive proof is hardly persuasive IMO. Has the guy ever written anything that doesn't confirm " the official story". I've come to believe he is an extension os whatever govt story he chooses to "investigate ".
 
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However, no one will ever convince me that 9/11 was exactly as they said it was. I will take it to my grave that it was an inside job.
Jesus man, are you serious?

For one, your two statements don’t mesh. Of course it’s likely it didn’t happen as stated exactly. Sure. You could go as far as saying we shot down United 93 to keep it from getting to DC. Does not make it an “inside job”.

For any *part* of the planning or execution of 9/11 to be coordinated by the US federal govt it would be the biggest (and flawlessly executed) conspiracy in the history of the world times about 100x. Would take, what, 1000-5000 people to be in the know? No one has talked? No one has a page of specs or a thumb drive with evidence to leak in the age of leaks? Where’s John H. Financiaanalyst noticing men with dynamite loading up the WTC for a year in advance for prep? “Don’t mind us John, this isn’t dynamite we’re strapping to all these load bearing girders!”

Sorry man. Some militant moooslims flew planes into buildings amid terrible airport security and even worse foreign/domestic intel.
 

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Citing Gerald posners book as definitive proof is hardly persuasive IMO. Has the guy ever written anything that doesn't confirm " the official story". I've come to believe he is an extension os whatever govt story he chooses to "investigate ".
You're hardly persuasive.
 

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Jesus man, are you serious?

For one, your two statements don’t mesh. Of course it’s likely it didn’t happen as stated exactly. Sure. You could go as far as saying we shot down United 93 to keep it from getting to DC. Does not make it an “inside job”.

For any *part* of the planning or execution of 9/11 to be coordinated by the US federal govt it would be the biggest (and flawlessly executed) conspiracy in the history of the world times about 100x. Would take, what, 1000-5000 people to be in the know? No one has talked? No one has a page of specs or a thumb drive with evidence to leak in the age of leaks? Where’s John H. Financiaanalyst noticing men with dynamite loading up the WTC for a year in advance for prep? “Don’t mind us John, this isn’t dynamite we’re strapping to all these load bearing girders!”

Sorry man. Some militant moooslims flew planes into buildings amid terrible airport security and even worse foreign/domestic intel.
Have you seen,9/11- Loose Change yet?
 
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Which version? Because they are all different . Plus Korey Rowe said they intentionally out false information in them
 

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The government isn't going to release anything they don't want you to know about. Not saying JFK is a conspiracy or that it isn't. Either way the government is going to tell you what they think you need to hear, not the truth. You really think they're gonna ruin their own reputation? That's laughable. However, no one will ever convince me that 9/11 was exactly as they said it was. I will take it to my grave that it was an inside job.
 
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Science will tell you that jet fuel does not burn hot enough to melt steel, and reason will tell you that Lee Harvey Oswald didn't have the authority to control the Secret Service in Dallas..but I will take a glass of champagne, Thank You.
Drank the koolaid, eh?
 

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Shakespeare says, "Hi".
The man is dead. Show some respect.

On these theories, what’s the point of having one if nothing can be proven by them? If you believe our govt is so hellbent on doing these things, will they ever be changed.

The imagination can be a powerful tool
 

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Jesus man, are you serious?

For one, your two statements don’t mesh. Of course it’s likely it didn’t happen as stated exactly. Sure. You could go as far as saying we shot down United 93 to keep it from getting to DC. Does not make it an “inside job”.

For any *part* of the planning or execution of 9/11 to be coordinated by the US federal govt it would be the biggest (and flawlessly executed) conspiracy in the history of the world times about 100x. Would take, what, 1000-5000 people to be in the know? No one has talked? No one has a page of specs or a thumb drive with evidence to leak in the age of leaks? Where’s John H. Financiaanalyst noticing men with dynamite loading up the WTC for a year in advance for prep? “Don’t mind us John, this isn’t dynamite we’re strapping to all these load bearing girders!”

Sorry man. Some militant moooslims flew planes into buildings amid terrible airport security and even worse foreign/domestic intel.
Demolition theory proponents, such as Brigham Young University physicist Steven E. Jones, architect Richard Gage, software engineer Jim Hoffman, and theologian David Ray Griffin, argue that the aircraft impacts and resulting fires could not have weakened the buildings sufficiently to initiate a catastrophic collapse, and that the buildings would not have collapsed completely, nor at the speeds that they did, without additional factors weakening the structures.

In the article "Active Thermotic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe", which appeared in the Open Chemical Physics Journal, authors Niels Harrit of the University of Copenhagen's Department of Chemistry, Jeffrey Farrer of Brigham Young University's Department of Physics and Astronomy, Steven E. Jones, and others state that thermite and nano-thermite composites in the dust and debris were found following the collapse of the three buildings, which they conclude to be proof that explosives brought down the buildings. The article contained no scientific rebuttal and the editor in chief of the publication subsequently resigned.
 

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The general message that the anti-conspiracy crowd attempts to sell is moronic and supremely naive. Well accepted is that men and governments will in fact form conspiracy. Our country was formed this way - a conspiracy against the British throne. So you are to accept that men and governments will form conspiracies to achieve an outcome, but never when that outcome is to conceal a truth.
So was Newtown a hoax?
 

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Demolition theory proponents, such as Brigham Young University physicist Steven E. Jones, architect Richard Gage, software engineer Jim Hoffman, and theologian David Ray Griffin, argue that the aircraft impacts and resulting fires could not have weakened the buildings sufficiently to initiate a catastrophic collapse, and that the buildings would not have collapsed completely, nor at the speeds that they did, without additional factors weakening the structures.

In the article "Active Thermotic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe", which appeared in the Open Chemical Physics Journal, authors Niels Harrit of the University of Copenhagen's Department of Chemistry, Jeffrey Farrer of Brigham Young University's Department of Physics and Astronomy, Steven E. Jones, and others state that thermite and nano-thermite composites in the dust and debris were found following the collapse of the three buildings, which they conclude to be proof that explosives brought down the buildings. The article contained no scientific rebuttal and the editor in chief of the publication subsequently resigned.
Let me help you:

FACT: Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength—and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."

"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent."


https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a6384/debunking-911-myths-world-trade-center/
 
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The general message that the anti-conspiracy crowd attempts to sell is moronic and supremely naive. Well accepted is that men and governments will in fact form conspiracy. Our country was formed this way - a conspiracy against the British throne. So you are to accept that men and governments will form conspiracies to achieve an outcome, but never when that outcome is to conceal a truth.
I think you are paranoid and deluded. Why would our government spend time/money to pull off these great coups? Do we have roguish types working in government? Sure. How do I know this? Because there are those types everywhere.

One of the cool benefits of thinking for yourself is that reasonnsnd common sense is always in reach. I think your tinfoil hat is cutting off your circulation.
 

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  • Extremist Muslims flew airplanes into buildings out of religious ferver.
  • Oswald acted alone.
  • David Hogg is annoying as ****, but he’s not a paid actor.
  • Newtown was horrific, but it happened.
  • Oklahoma City Bombing 1995 happened because Timothy McVeigh hated the government.
 

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Operation Northwoods
Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.

The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.
 

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Let me help you:

FACT: Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength—and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."

"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent."


https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a6384/debunking-911-myths-world-trade-center/
Nothing in my argument was even about jet fuel melting steel beams. There was literally traces of thermite and nano thermite traces in the air. This proves there were explosives. No scientists disputed this.....
 

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Jesus man, are you serious?

For one, your two statements don’t mesh. Of course it’s likely it didn’t happen as stated exactly. Sure. You could go as far as saying we shot down United 93 to keep it from getting to DC. Does not make it an “inside job”.

For any *part* of the planning or execution of 9/11 to be coordinated by the US federal govt it would be the biggest (and flawlessly executed) conspiracy in the history of the world times about 100x. Would take, what, 1000-5000 people to be in the know? No one has talked? No one has a page of specs or a thumb drive with evidence to leak in the age of leaks? Where’s John H. Financiaanalyst noticing men with dynamite loading up the WTC for a year in advance for prep? “Don’t mind us John, this isn’t dynamite we’re strapping to all these load bearing girders!”

Sorry man. Some militant moooslims flew planes into buildings amid terrible airport security and even worse foreign/domestic intel.
Bingo. You can't get 3 people to keep a secret, but somehow thousands of people have kept this great conspiracy to themselves.

Also, the liberals always claim that Bush is the dumbest President ever, but he's able to pull off this brilliant, elaborate 9-11 scheme.
 

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Nothing in my argument was even about jet fuel melting steel beams. There was literally traces of thermite and nano thermite traces in the air. This proves there were explosives. No scientists disputed this.....
No but you quoted a source that claimed the following. Your quote not mine:

Demolition theory proponents, such as Brigham Young University physicist Steven E. Jones, architect Richard Gage, software engineer Jim Hoffman, and theologian David Ray Griffin, argue that the aircraft impacts and resulting fires could not have weakened the buildings sufficiently to initiate a catastrophic collapse, and that the buildings would not have collapsed completely, nor at the speeds that they did, without additional factors weakening the structures.
 
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So the message now is that persons who have accepted any occasional possibility of truth concealment must also accept all random musings of it? This is precisely your logic. This is your foundation for accurate accusations, tin foil hats, paranoia, et al. Magnificent entertainment value you provide.
Yes or no answer. Was it a hoax?
 

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Nothing in my argument was even about jet fuel melting steel beams. There was literally traces of thermite and nano thermite traces in the air. This proves there were explosives. No scientists disputed this.....
Wrong again.

Prominent conspiracy theorist Steven Jones and others have suggested that thermate could have been inserted into a column, exploding the column without the loud boom of a demolition. Sunder said his team considered that theory. "In order for the thermate reaction to melt steel to take place, there has to be materials. If you look at the amount needed--at least 100 pounds for one column--you need someone to get that amount in the building, and place it, and for the reaction to take place. It is unlikely

https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/design/a3544/4278927/


http://www.911myths.com/html/traces_of_thermate_at_the_wtc.html
 

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So the message now is that persons who have accepted any occasional possibility of truth concealment must also accept all random musings of it? This is precisely your logic. This is your foundation for accurate accusations, tin foil hats, paranoia, et al. Magnificent entertainment value you provide.
I have no issues with people who think truth was concealed on occasion, but on this grand of scale? Ridiculous. This is how they get the title of “conspiracy theorist”. It’s a pattern of behavior.