Thought it was very weird joey didnt get any PT vs the zone even with his recent struggles. I also thought when they showed a glimpse of the bench saturday joey had a black eye but couldent tell for sure. Anybody else see that or have any insight on joey
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He's gone. Will wind up at Pitt wherevhe averages 30 ppg. Coack K has really blown it of this one. This board tried to tell him. 
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OFCAlex was able to move the ball versus the zone. He drove and passed to open man plus he was able to drive and get off his own shot.
Joey has struggled basically since ACC play started. He has been thoroughly scouted: don't leave him open, make him drive the ball, and attack him constantly on defense.
Alex and Wendell were playing great, I think that's mainly why Joey didn't play. I'd expect we see him again tonight. I think between Alex and Joey, K is gonna give minutes to whoever has the hot hand, we need at least 1 of them to make three's each game.
Alex and Wendell were playing great, I think that's mainly why Joey didn't play. I'd expect we see him again tonight. I think between Alex and Joey, K is gonna give minutes to whoever has the hot hand, we need at least 1 of them to make three's each game.
Could also be that K sees who practices hard and well and gives them the first shot at PT. This time AOC looked good, so no reason to go to Joey.
As much as I'd love AOC to be focused and productive every game, not sure that will happen and Joey will get his chance again. Then we can start wondering what happened to AOC, again.
As much as I'd love AOC to be focused and productive every game, not sure that will happen and Joey will get his chance again. Then we can start wondering what happened to AOC, again.
I heard K punched him in the face and though he isnt transferring, he plans to destroy the program from within.
I think this will probably be a game-by-game thing. Saturday night Alex played well and K didn't feel the need to switch it up. Couple that with Wendell's return and there's your answer.
Joey is going to have a few big games yet....don't give up on him.
Joey is going to have a few big games yet....don't give up on him.
It's somewhat head-scratching to try to decipher who or why players get playing time sometimes. The past game AOC and Javin got more minutes than they had the last few games combined I suspect...yet Joey got zero. Other games, Joey starts or gets significant minutes and AOC/Javin sit the bench. To me, disclaimer -and I am not a HoF coach, this would be extremely difficult as a player to gain any confidence or rhythm to your game. Knowing you would get 8-10 mins a game most nights would be easier on the mind than not knowing if you get 20 or none at all. Obviously, PT and performance are linked so that plays a part but the extreme variations are perplexing sometimes. Players' mentality can be fragile, so uncertainty plays a part in confidence. AOC/Javin was a great call vs Cuse...so I wonder what BC and the Cheat game will bring regarding our rotation
Is he still giving out high fives? Still clapping? Does he stand when we do something good? Those are the key signs.
I heard that K didnt even want him.. hold on, my bad that was ole Roy.
I think the "scouting" comment is dead on. Add that to the fact that he has not only been shooting poorly but also rushing shots and missing badly in some cases has him on the bench. I do think he will see the floor again though, and he will come thru for us in a critical situation.
Jwill I think you have a great point on the Alex vs Joey PT, BASED on who has the hotter hand... OFC
Agreed. Just 2 games ago vs Pitt, Joey got 9 minutes to Alex’s 1. They offer similar things for us on the floor so if one is playing well I think the other will see less time on a game to game basis. Would be interesting offensively to see a Tre, Cassius, alex, Joey, Hurt/Carey lineup where everyone on the floor can really shoot it, but I think K has made it pretty clear that defense will always be the focus this year so doubt we will see that much.
Well, I think playing time between Joey / Alex and Javin doesn't translate here. Javin's role and the roles of Alex and Joey don't really collide heads.
But, as for Joey and Alex, you have to remember that in previous games there was no Wendell in the lineup, either. He's going to be getting minutes and it has to come at the expense of someone. The other night, because Alex was playing well, is was Joey and even Jordan who felt the brunt of it.
Even distribution just isn't going to happen. People need to get away from thinking Player A is an eight to 10 minute/night guy and Player B plays 15. That's not the makeup of this team. And personally, I think that's a good thing. In past seasons we've always known the main six or seven guys. This year, we seem to have more options....and it might mean one guys minutes get really squeezed, or squeezed altogether, on any specific night.
But also you thought why Joey wasn't playing and that opened the door for discussion. Justin Robinson hasn't seen the court in a while. I wonder what's doing on there and I don't recall seeing the camera zoom in on his dad any like usual. I'm gonna pay more attention tonight to see if there may be something going on eternaly.
OFCI also noticed the black eye. Probably caught an elbow in practice or a poke in the eye going for a loose ball. Practices can get pretty physical.
Just part of the game.
Go Duke!
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Maybe Gerald Henderson was back for a visit.
Those were just bags under his eyes from browsing the web all night trying to decide where to transfer
Good source says the black eye happened during high five practice. Caused him to miss some of the body language training.
I’m not so sure about head-scratching. Who has played consistently well enough to garner consistent minutes? Tre, yes. Vern, yes. Cash, yes. Jack and Goldy, for the most part yes. Matthew, sometimes yes, depending who the matchup is. Javin, AOC and Joey, no. Wendell, just coming back.
When you look at each individual on our team you can see that the consistent players are getting consistent minutes. The rest of our rotation is going to change on a night to night basis. If Javin or Matthew or AOC or Joey come out and put 2-3 games together of consistent play I would guarantee you that they would start seeing consistent minutes. If they didn’t, that would be head scratching. But the fact is we aren’t getting consistent play from at least a few if not more. Other members have strengths that are better suited for playing Team X as compared to Team Y. Don’t go into any particular game and expect a specific rotation. It is going to continuously change and that is ok. Nobody has gotten lost on the bench for multiple games. They are all getting their shots. If they want more, do more.
does consistency come with consistent minutes though? Thats the question..how does going from zero to 8-10 or more minutes depending on the game garner consistency? Or would we be better to give players 5-10 regularly mins to players to gain consistency...thats the chicken and egg conundrum. I favor the latter...you may favor another method. To each their own philosophy. Either way...we cant change what is happening, just theorize.
Good post. It is weird that Baker didn’t play a minute against Syracuse. I get that Alex played well, but the same kid goes from none to what he did tonight.
Joey Baker went from playing 0 minutes on Saturday to saving our butts tonight. I think he got tired of sitting and made the most of his time.
Agreed...but against Cuse...he didnt leave the bench...at all...so no way to know what or if he could have impacted that game...therein lies my point. He made a difference tonight for sure though. We shall see what that garners him for PT on Saturday.
I think it’s hilarious that we all acknowledge K as the GOAT then some of you question damn near every move he makes. How about STFU and let the GOAT do his thing and quit questioning everything?!?!
Joey saved our butts in my opinion last nite! As far as him not playing vs Syracuse, I think K was focusing on incorporating Wendell back AND O'Connell's past success vs Orange.
Bottom line, everything worked out like clockwork. O'Connell had another strong 'Cuse game, and K went all in on Joey vs BC because he had as K might say, "a verve."
I like so many here have questioned K's PT of players in the past, but there is a METHOD TO THE MADNESS. Duke came out of it w/2 big league ROAD WINS, and K is the G.O.A.T....... OFC
Bottom line, everything worked out like clockwork. O'Connell had another strong 'Cuse game, and K went all in on Joey vs BC because he had as K might say, "a verve."
I like so many here have questioned K's PT of players in the past, but there is a METHOD TO THE MADNESS. Duke came out of it w/2 big league ROAD WINS, and K is the G.O.A.T....... OFC
It’s pretty obvious K is going to go with the hot hand. To be fair he’s done this all season long with every single guy 2-10. Only guy that is safe is Tre. Having said that Vern is as safe as it gets but even he has been subject to K not liking the matchup or switching game plans and he sits. But to be sure 3-10, no one is safe. If you’re contributing you play and if you don’t, you’re subject to little minutes or in some cases none (see Joey at Cuse). But you have to appreciate the flexibility that K is willing to go from game to game.
Dont know about you guys, but where I am, flu like crap is bouncing around the office, school, etc. Someone new is sick every other day. Some are sick a day or two, others a week or more.
Thats been my take away. You can’t totally scout Duke right now if you’re the opposing team because you have no idea what’s coming next, play-wise or personnel.
Then you add in the zone K threw out for a second last game and now what are you supposed to do. He’s preparing for the stretch run in March and he’s using game action to do so. That’s a luxury most of his recent teams haven’t had.
I am a 6'7" white kid best known for his 3pt shooting. I left school a year early so I could play ACC ball. I didn't get recruited by Roy Williams coming out of high school. While I have been seeing decent minutes this year, I've struggled to do anything with them. I can't seem to hit the broad-side of a barn for whatever reason. Coach yells at me a lot. But I do give out really enthusiastic high-fives. Who am I?
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Answer: Justin Pierce
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Answer: Justin Pierce
Joey or Alex? I don’t know who’s gonna make shots but one guy WILL knock down shots Saturday night, and the other probably won’t play that much. That’s just how it’s gonna be moving forward.
This is K’s version of trimming down the rotation.
This is K’s version of trimming down the rotation.
It's definitely ironic....especially when both ways K has played it the last two games have looked pretty good on paper. I guess my point is, that had we not won both or either for that matter, the same people would complain he did it wrong.
I don't agree with every move the man makes. Sometimes I even shake my head, but complaining just to complain drives me nuts.
Seemed a good spot to post this rather than start a new thread....
https://www.dukechronicle.com/article/2020/02/duke-basketball-joey-baker-alex-oconnell-column
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https://www.dukechronicle.com/article/2020/02/duke-basketball-joey-baker-alex-oconnell-column
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