John Daly withdraws from Open Championship

dukiejay

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This was a talking point back in May at Bethpage when he was allowed to take a cart at the PGA Championship. I disagreed with that call, and I'm happy to see he's not being allowed to use a cart at The Open. All of us sympathize with his situation....but walking the golf course is an integral part of play at any tournament, IMO.

https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/27153709/daly-denied-use-cart-pulls-open
 

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He is so fun to watch though.... I kinda wish they would just let him play. Love seeing him with a cigarette hanging out of his mouth as he approaches the ball.
 

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I hate to say it but if he can’t play without needing to use a golf cart to play because of his a medical issue then it might be time for him to considering retiring from playing
 
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I am glad to see John will play in another event (albeit much lesser in stature) same week as British Open. The Barbasol Championship folks are excited too:
Best of luck big guy!

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Why does he need a cart?

And I think the idea of walking around being a part of the game is silly.
 

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Not saying I agree or disagree, just curious why you feel that way.

I don’t know a lot about golf, so feel free to correct me, but does the walk to the holes impact scoring? Are there refs or anything who govern the walk? Are certain styles of walk a benefit for players, in terms of winning? Are there a lot of rules (and consistent ones) about how players can can walk to each hole? Can you get penalties for certain kinds of walking?

If the answer to most or all of these is no, then I don’t see how it is part of the game any more than driving to the rink is part of hockey.
 
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Your caddy can’t stand behind you when hitting a shot either or something lol. 1st this thread is :rolleyes:. 2nd let the old man use a cart who cares. Ain’t like he’s in contention anyway. :cool: Hell let all of them use carts. I don’t get it....
 

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I don’t know a lot about golf, so feel free to correct me, but does the walk to the holes impact scoring? Are there refs or anything who govern the walk? Are certain styles of walk a benefit for players, in terms of winning? Are there a lot of rules (and consistent ones) about how players can can walk to each hole? Can you get penalties for certain kinds of walking?

If the answer to most or all of these is no, then I don’t see how it is part of the game any more than driving to the rink is part of hockey.
I’ve walked and carted. Walking definitely requires you to control your physiology and pace so much more. Also, it’s crazy hard pulling a bag with 12 beers and ice weighing it down. Hell, I ditch half my irons to save weight.
 

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I’ve walked and carted. Walking definitely requires you to control your physiology and pace so much more. Also, it’s crazy hard pulling a bag with 12 beers and ice weighing it down. Hell, I ditch half my irons to save weight.

If you can drink a beer while you do easily and correctly do a part of a sport, it isn’t actually part of the sport:)
 
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He is so fun to watch though.... I kinda wish they would just let him play. Love seeing him with a cigarette hanging out of his mouth as he approaches the ball.


If he were permitted to be able to use a cart it would not be fair to others. Yes he's fun to watch but he had to know it would be denied. One reason I like golf is because it hasn't changed a lot as far as standards and integrity goes. I hope it never changes . OFC
 

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If he were permitted to be able to use a cart it would not be fair to others. Yes he's fun to watch but he had to know it would be denied. One reason I like golf is because it hasn't changed a lot as far as standards and integrity goes. I hope it never changes . OFC

Whether John knew his request "would be denied," I respect his courage for trying to play, and seeking the special exemption from walking. At least history will show he SOUGHT to play in a major championship he once won.

Meanwhile a much lesser light tourney, The Barbasol Championship has agreed to honor Daly's request next week. Obviously a tourney played in the States draws much less attention during "The Open," and this will undoubtedly bring the Barbasol more coverage. I hope he does well, and it will brighten lives of individuals who suffer from osteoarthritis or osteoporosis.

Thus I conclude there's two ways to look at it, a "talking point" thats been mentioned.. I understand my fellow board friends who respect the etiquette and integrity of the game so much also who are opposed to allowing John's request. We'll see how it plays out next week. I will be pulling for Big John. OFC
 

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I don’t know a lot about golf, so feel free to correct me, but does the walk to the holes impact scoring? Are there refs or anything who govern the walk? Are certain styles of walk a benefit for players, in terms of winning? Are there a lot of rules (and consistent ones) about how players can can walk to each hole? Can you get penalties for certain kinds of walking?

If the answer to most or all of these is no, then I don’t see how it is part of the game any more than driving to the rink is part of hockey.

Regardless if there's any impact or not (which any golfer knows there is), the rules state (professionally) a player should walk. Like other sports, there's a mental aspect at play. If it's 100 degrees outside and Player A is required to walk over four miles, it seems unfair to allow Player B to cart it. Endurance and physical capabilities are required in golf, too....even though some might not think so.
 

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No question "physical capabilties and endurance are required" to participate in golf. As a golfer myself I know fatigue can take its toll, and this can greatly impact the mental aspects of the game. Like I say its an extremely valid talking point, and I see BOTH SIDES of the equation. I simply see in Daly's favor in this situation, w/his handicap.

OFC
 

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No question "physical capabilties and endurance are required" to participate in golf. As a golfer myself I know fatigue can take its toll, and this can greatly impact the mental aspects of the game. Like I say its an extremely valid talking point, and I see BOTH SIDES of the equation. I simply see in Daly's favor in this situation, w/his handicap.

OFC

I'm sympathetic to Daly's situation, like I'm sympathetic to any athlete dealing with an ailment. I'm just not willing to change the rules and integrity of the game because of it.
 
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I'm sympathetic to Daly's situation, like I'm sympathetic to any athlete dealing with an ailment. I'm just not willing to change the rules and integrity of the game because of it.

As I said in an earlier post, I understand the sentiments of my fellow board friends here who see the other side of the equation. This would make for a good debate on one of those point/counterpoint shows like Skip Bayless and Sterling Sharpe. OFC
 

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Regardless if there's any impact or not (which any golfer knows there is), the rules state (professionally) a player should walk. Like other sports, there's a mental aspect at play. If it's 100 degrees outside and Player A is required to walk over four miles, it seems unfair to allow Player B to cart it. Endurance and physical capabilities are required in golf, too....even though some might not think so.
To add to that, walking has always been an integral part of golf since the inception of the sport. As with most other sports, the fittest, hardest preparing, and most talented competitors are the ones who succeed most often. Golf carts were introduced for a variety of reasons, to include caddy shortages, lazyness, physical inability to walk, poor physical conditioning, enhancing course revenue, speeding up play, etc., none of which were related to actually enhancing the sport. They should not be used to accommodate those who, for one reason or another, cannot compete in the game as it was intended to be played, and thus those who really cannot compete under the same conditions as the other competitors. If one physically abuses his body for years, and thus his ability to compete, through a life-long consumptive lifestyle marked by rampant alcoholism, over-eating, chain cigarette smoking, obesity, and disdain for physical conditioning, which lifestyle eventually wears out his knee, I see no reason to reward him with a totally unearned competitive advantage over those who have not made those poor life choices. Daly has placed himself in the position in which he now finds himself, and it is only fair that he be required to suffer the consequences and not be granted special relief from them.

That said, I always rooted for Big John in tournaments because he in many ways was always an underdog, killed the ball off of the tee, was flamboyant and colorful, was outside the mold of the typical PGA player, and was just plain fun to watch. But he cannot now play the game as it was intended to be played, so he should be done. That other tournaments are willing to admit him out of pity or in order to boost ticket sales or TV viewership does not mean that true golf championships should allow such considerations to dictate the rules of play.

OFC
 

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As I said in an earlier post, I understand the sentiments of my fellow board friends here who see the other side of the equation. This would make for a good debate on one of those point/counterpoint shows like Skip Bayless and Sterling Sharpe. OFC
I assume you’d be sympathetic to Tiger if he needed a cart too with all of his physical injuries right?
 

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To add to that, walking has always been an integral part of golf since the inception of the sport. As with most other sports, the fittest, hardest preparing, and most talented competitors are the ones who succeed most often. Golf carts were introduced for a variety of reasons, to include caddy shortages, lazyness, physical inability to walk, poor physical conditioning, enhancing course revenue, speeding up play, etc., none of which were related to actually enhancing the sport. They should not be used to accommodate those who, for one reason or another, cannot compete in the game as it was intended to be played, and thus those who really cannot compete under the same conditions as the other competitors. If one physically abuses his body for years, and thus his ability to compete, through a life-long consumptive lifestyle marked by rampant alcoholism, over-eating, chain cigarette smoking, obesity, and disdain for physical conditioning, which lifestyle eventually wears out his knee, I see no reason to reward him with a totally unearned competitive advantage over those who have not made those poor life choices. Daly has placed himself in the position in which he now finds himself, and it is only fair that he be required to suffer the consequences and not be granted special relief from them.

That said, I always rooted for Big John in tournaments because he in many ways was always an underdog, killed the ball off of the tee, was flamboyant and colorful, was outside the mold of the typical PGA player, and was just plain fun to watch. But he cannot now play the game as it was intended to be played, so he should be done. That other tournaments are willing to admit him out of pity or in order to boost ticket sales or TV viewership does not mean that true golf championships should allow such considerations to dictate the rules of play.

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I pretty much agree. That said, I don't want to make it sound like I'm calling out John's lifestyle choices here or what led him to be in the condition he's in....I think no matter who you are, if you're unable to compete on a level playing field, then you're just unable to compete. Rules exceptions seem odd for individuals who can't physically compete.
 
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I assume you’d be sympathetic to Tiger if he needed a cart too with all of his physical injuries right?

Yes I WOULD be sympathetic to Tiger's needs.I am certainly not a shallow person who would overlook a disability simply because I did not care for a particular person. That would be totally wrong. I was raised better than such a manner. Thanks for the question though to clear up such a foolish way to look at things. Appreciate it! OFC
 

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Doesn't Phil Michelson have a former of arthtitis? Has he ever ask for a cart? I feel his arthritis takes away from his game somewhat. Pro golf players walk. Always have. Always should. What if MLB had designated runners for slower guys or with slight injuries? OFC
 
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Bottom line it’s part of the game, always has been always will be. Senior tour has exceptions which is what the senior tour allows.
 
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Then why doesn't Daly just play the senior tour. He's 50. OFC
He does, but a lot of senior tour guys try and play a few regular tour events as well. Tom Watson almost won the Open in 2009 at the age of 59. Jack almost made an unreal run in the mid 2000s at the masters. These guys can get some magic going from time to time. Especially with the new technology.
 

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He does, but a lot of senior tour guys try and play a few regular tour events as well. Tom Watson almost won the Open in 2009 at the age of 59. Jack almost made an unreal run in the mid 2000s at the masters. These guys can get some magic going from time to time. Especially with the new technology.


But they still walk and hit front he pro tees right? I'm sorry for Daley's issues but why even try to get the cart approved for any tournament. OFC
 

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No question "physical capabilties and endurance are required" to participate in golf. As a golfer myself I know fatigue can take its toll, and this can greatly impact the mental aspects of the game. Like I say its an extremely valid talking point, and I see BOTH SIDES of the equation. I simply see in Daly's favor in this situation, w/his handicap.

OFC


Just let everyone ride then. OFC
 

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I assume you’d be sympathetic to Tiger if he needed a cart too with all of his physical injuries right?
Not now and never have been a Tiger fan. I do sympathize with his physical issues as I have had 3 back surgeries myself, and have foot problems which prevent me from walking the course. Through all of his injuries, however, Tiger has never asked for any type of special dispensation. If he woke up tomorrow and needed a golf cart to play, I KNOW he would not ask for permission to use one.
 
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Always liked Daly. Most common golf hackers, and most men period, can relate a bit with him. Swings out of his shoes, loves to party, and definitely has made many mistakes.

To this day, he has the best line I’ve ever heard about college. Feherty asked him why he dropped out of Arkansas. “I ran out of electives.”
 

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Any thoughts on the following?

1. Would traditionalists oppose the wearing of short pants in official competition rounds?

2. Should the players have to carry their own clubs?

3. Would it be standard practice for pros to drive motorized carts if the technology had been available when the game of golf was first introduced?

4. Should motorized carts be available in US tournaments under the Americans with Disabilities Act?
 

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Any thoughts on the following?

1. Would traditionalists oppose the wearing of short pants in official competition rounds?

2. Should the players have to carry their own clubs?

3. Would it be standard practice for pros to drive motorized carts if the technology had been available when the game of golf was first introduced?

4. Should motorized carts be available in US tournaments under the Americans with Disabilities Act?

GAAP you raise interesting points my friend.

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hart2chesson

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Any thoughts on the following?

1. Would traditionalists oppose the wearing of short pants in official competition rounds?

2. Should the players have to carry their own clubs?

3. Would it be standard practice for pros to drive motorized carts if the technology had been available when the game of golf was first introduced?

4. Should motorized carts be available in US tournaments under the Americans with Disabilities Act?

GOOD points you raised GAAP....OFC
 

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Any thoughts on the following?

1. Would traditionalists oppose the wearing of short pants in official competition rounds?

2. Should the players have to carry their own clubs?

3. Would it be standard practice for pros to drive motorized carts if the technology had been available when the game of golf was first introduced?

4. Should motorized carts be available in US tournaments under the Americans with Disabilities Act?
1. Yes, think all pros should wear pants (granted they’ve been lenient on that rule for practice rounds which i don’t hate.
2. No, never been that way, always have had caddies and i think they’re an integral part of the game. Makes it a more of a team, although like any sport it’s on the player to execute.
3. Don’t think so.
4. If you’re talking for the tour, then it’s up to them. The tour has made one off exceptions here and there but it’s really rare. USGA and R&A tournaments do not allow it for tour events.
 

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So I have walked and I have carted. I consistently suck either way. One just allows me to drink more.


Haven't played in years and even then I rode a cart. If I could ofind I would have rode that dadgummed thing on the cart path, the fairway, the woods, the bathroom and even on the green but that's just me. I also carried in my bag my rod,reel and a lure or two. My shotgun loaded. I figured as much time as I spent in the water and the woods I'd get in a little of everything. :D OFC
 
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Any thoughts on the following?

1. Would traditionalists oppose the wearing of short pants in official competition rounds?

2. Should the players have to carry their own clubs?

3. Would it be standard practice for pros to drive motorized carts if the technology had been available when the game of golf was first introduced?

4. Should motorized carts be available in US tournaments under the Americans with Disabilities Act?

Interesting points.

1 - I guess I don't really care. Women do it. I know the PGA has always practiced under the modicum of it being a professional appearance thing. No different than how in some jobs you're required to wear a shirt and tie each day (or jacket), while in others you can be very casual. I do know that in the past five years or so I've allowed my sales staff to go much more business casual, although I've always encouraged them to be smart about it. Basically, dress for your task(s) that day.

2 - Caddies play a pretty vital role. And IIRC, they're allowed to wear shorts if it's anticipated the heat index will reach a certain number.

3 - Perhaps. But it's a walking tradition....goes back to will and endurance. It's a part of the game.

4 - Should track athletes be allowed to ride mopeds if they fall under the ADA? If I had a bum ankle could I use a pogo-stick for the high jump? Now, I get these are a bit patronizing....but clearly, you can see where I'm going with this, right? When would it stop?
 

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@GAPP I think the Americans w/Disabilities Act is a quite valid talking point, and obviously has already triggered dialogue here...

OFC