June 21, 2024….a day Joe probably (should) wishes he had to live over.

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That’s the day Brent got the big multi-year contract extension Joe has to live with…….and so do OU fans. Not Good!!
 

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So now we must hope that Venables can get a solid offensive line and a healthy receiving corps next year to go with a capable offensive coordinator.
Then, finding at least 2-3 good offensive linemen from the JUCO ranks or transfer portal and keeping the commitment of OL Fasusi would also be huge.
Had Gabriel stayed at OU, I don't believe he would have done much better than Arnold with the lack of OL talent and the decimated receiving corps....and having Littrell/Finley as an offensive coordinator.
I think Gabriel transferred in part for what he saw on the OL and who was calling the plays.
 

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Why is it that some want to give BV a pass here? Yes injuries have played a big roll in the offensive production but BV hiring SL to be the OC and the QB coach was unexcusable. What other big time program in the country doesn’t have a true ex QB as the QB coach?

JJF has only been a tad bit better at play callng but again why didn’t BV go outside the program and get a better OC?

This season is as much on him and the staff he hired as it is on the injuries.. JA certainly gets no pass for his lack of securing the ball as he fumbled 3 times ( lost 2) vs Mizzou and lets not forget he has been a turnover machine since he bacame a starter vs Arizona.

The Mizzou loss just might be the hardest loss to take this year. The D gave OU the lead then turned around and couldnt stop a HS team from going down the the field to tie it back up. For as good as this D has improved it still can’t seem to put a full 4 quarter game together and thats also on BV.

He will be back as I don’t see OU wanting to pay that 44M payout but whatever because OU is on a path to become Nebraska.
 
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Why is it that some want to give BV a pass here? Yes injuries have played a big roll in the offensive production but BV hiring SL to be the OC and the QB coach was unexcusable. What other big time program in the country doesn’t have a true ex QB as the QB coach?

JJF has only been a tad bit better at play callng but again why didn’t BV go outside the program and get a better OC?

This season is as much on him and the staff he hired as it is on the injuries.. JA certainly gets no pass for his lack of securing the ball as he fumbled 3 times ( lost 2) vs Mizzou and lets not forget he has been a turnover machine since he bacame a starter vs Arizona.

The Mizzou loss just might be the hardest loss to take this year. The D gave OU the lead then turned around and couldnt stop a HS team from going down the the field to tie it back up. For as good as this D has improved it still can’t seem to put a full 4 quarter game together and thats also on BV.

He will be back as I don’t see OU wanting to pay that 44M payout but whatever because OU is on a path to become Nebraska.

All that you said and more. How can a HC still be making poor decisions in critical moments of a game like BV does? You can go all the way back to his 1st Season as HC and its the same thing over and over of finding ways to lose. Many times where OU was the better team and still lost just like vs Missouri. Yes OU is better than Missouri and should have never lost that game.
Bauer Sharp must have something on a Coach or something as I cannot understand the fetish someone has for him. Can't block, can't catch and they use him like he is one of the best and fastest guy on the Offense.
I could go on and on but we all saw the game and many games like this the past 3 yrs. Brent is not the guy, I am sorry but he just isn't. Anybody that cannot see that is just fooling themselves. And I don't understand why some people gwt bent out of shape over others seeing that. I get it, BV is a good guy and very likeable guy but he is not what OU needs and never will be. As Bob Stoops said, nobody is bigger than the Program, and that includes BV.
And as you said 59 how in the hell did he not have a Qualified QB Coach with 2 freshmen QB's? It just boggles the mind and is a major blunder as a HC.

About all we can hope for is he pulls his head out of his *** and figures out what he needs to do and he needs to do it fast. He needs a very good OC and one that can possibly bring a good QB with him. he also needs to be someone the Offensive Recruits can get behind and still want to come to OU or we will see some decommits. A cleansing of the dead weight on the Offensive Staff is needed as well. He has another yr and likely 2 because of the ridiculous buyout so the next moves he makes better be damn good ones because the OU Program and his job depends on those moves and how he proceeds. If not for the buyout I would say cut bait now but thats not an option that I can see happening.
 

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My biggest concern or question is why the offensive line issue wasn’t detected after last season. Was Bedenbaugh asleep at the wheel?
There should have been some proactive measures in place to keep Arnald from having to throw under heavy pressure play after play.
And why wasn’t a seasoned, solid offensive coordinator hired?
 

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My biggest concern or question is why the offensive line issue wasn’t detected after last season. Was Bedenbaugh asleep at the wheel?
There should have been some proactive measures in place to keep Arnald from having to throw under heavy pressure play after play.
And why wasn’t a seasoned, solid offensive coordinator hired?
Your last question is easy to answer. Its called the “Good ol boys - friendship hire”.
 

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Now that the damage has been done and as OU looks to lose its last two games (by a lot), how will the 2025 commitments stay intact and how many defections will there be in the next few months????
That’s aside from asking how the coaching staff will be upgraded.
 
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Did Lanning (or anyone else) even get an interview for the job 3 years ago ?
If not how come ?
Joe C may have to share some blame too
 

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Yes, BV is the QB who just keeps fumbling the ball when not touched and throwing interceptions. I mean seriously.
 
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there are some coaches that are incredible coordinators but just don't have what it takes to be a HC. Brent is one, Gary Gibbs was another. There are others that keep bouncing around from team to team in both college and the NFL. Unfortunately, we should have gone with Lanning, assuming we had a chance.
 

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there are some coaches that are incredible coordinators but just don't have what it takes to be a HC. Brent is one, Gary Gibbs was another. There are others that keep bouncing around from team to team in both college and the NFL. Unfortunately, we should have gone with Lanning, assuming we had a chance.

I was on the Lanning wagon from the get go. We don’t know if Joe seriously even considered him, but he was named the Oregon HC 4 days after Brent accepted the OU job.
 
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I was on the Lanning wagon from the get go. We don’t know if Joe seriously even considered him, but he was named the Oregon HC 4 days after Brent accepted the OU job.

Its been said Lanning was interested and called Joe but never got a call back.
I think Joe and Bob were all in on BV from the moment Riley left and didn't do due dilligence to seriously consider anyone else. Good ol boy system at play just like SL.
Don't know if true but thats been said quite a bit the past 3 yrs about Lanning. I can believe it.
I also think there was a reason nobody else had hired BV as a HC before then. It wasn't like he was sitting around waiting for the OU job to become available.
 

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there are some coaches that are incredible coordinators but just don't have what it takes to be a HC. Brent is one, Gary Gibbs was another. There are others that keep bouncing around from team to team in both college and the NFL. Unfortunately, we should have gone with Lanning, assuming we had a chance.
In my lifetime OU has had three coordinators that fell short when promoted to head coach: Gomer Jones in 1964, Gary Gibbs in 1989 and Brent Venables in 2022.
But unlike Jones and Gibbs, Venables may prove to be the costliest hire when you consider OU’s move to the SEC.
This move to the SEC could be more damaging to OU than the move to the Big Ten was to Nebraska, because of the better overall depth of the SEC.
I can only hope that I’m very wrong in this assessment.
 

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Need to fire Castiglione and get Stoops as far away from the program as possible. Not much will change until that happens.
 

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Need to fire Castiglione and get Stoops as far away from the program as possible. Not much will change until that happens.
If JC hired BV without looking and talking to Lanning then I agree he should be sent on his way. As for BS, he continues to be a good OU representative but he should not be involved in any of the coaching hiring selections.

With the hiring of BV I just think JC was hoping to hit gold again like he did when he hired BS. Had he hired Lanning he just mght have accomplished that.
 

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He likely regrets hiring PM also. OU trails NW St 34-28 at half. OU shooting only 33%. Fire them both
 

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Well OU did comeback to beat NWST, but I am not a fan of PM but maybe he will fool us all this year and produce a good team. We will see when the schedule gets harder
 

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Oh, he makes me feel a lot better. Very, very confident and forthcoming. This will go over like a turd in the punch bowl. But what else could he say?
 

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I'm with Joe H. You can't judge BV on the offensive talent we've lose this year. I don't believe the OLine is as bad as they've looked, though they are BAD. But we don't have a wide receiver playing that can treated a defense. We've lost OUt top five guys.

The only thing I hole against BV in this is the possiblility that practice sessions need to cut down on the physicality in practice. He wants his defense to be so prepared that he wants high physicality, and that just won't do it As I look across the country, this stringent new playoff system, that the best team in the country might not win it. It's the one who's luckiest with injuries who probably will win it. Teams are losing their key players. And the physical challenge of the SEC might cause the whole conference to falter. This will be tough for any team to survive. And the toll on players is just going to becoma heavier.

One other factor for OU fans: We've been spoiled with OUr quarterback situations over the last decade plus. Every quarterback we've had has gone through his freshman season elsewhere We had Baker for three years after he did a half dozen starts at Tech, where he'd been damn good. We actually had the number one pick in the draft sitting on our bench behind him. Kyler got his freshman problems out of the way at A&M. Then we had not the first draft pick, but a second rounder for one year, who is as good as any NFL quarterback, Hurts, who spent three previous at Bama. We saw a good bit of the freshman issue at QB, with Rattler's redshirt freshman season. He was good enough to start NFL games too soon, but he made it. He looked pretty bad when he started for us. We gave him that experience. Then he wasn't horrible at South Carolina.

The next year, the wunderkind freshman who probably had the best raw talent of any QB at OU ever. But he traveled with the traitor after still have many freshman mistakes. Remember the trip to Lawrence. He looked dreadful. The we had another successful transfer, in DG. Look where he is now. New offense, new teammates, new HC, new OC. and beat up by TCU. Now he's another Heisman candidate. Elsewhere.

If we're going to attract another great transfer quertetback, who's already been pretty successful. we HAVE to find a quality OC who's also a QB guru. We don't need a former fullback or a former tight end to run our offense, and coach our quarterbacks. We need a salesman who can coach. Despite the miserable ending in Columbia the other night, I still believe that Jackson Arnold will be an outstanding college quarterback. I hope it's at OU.

But I also believe that the most underrated thing in college football, or for that matter the NFL, is high quality wide receiver talent. If you have wides that cannot consistently be covered by one man, it makes for such a better running game. And you can't just have one. You have to have multiple quality guys that defenses have to adjust to, and who catch the damn ball. Consistently. Right now, active on our team, we have none of those. In large part, that's who we have no running game. And we have to live with that freshman, and all his mistakes, which are exacerbated by all the other guys are hurt issue. I believe that two years from now, JA will be a high draft pick. Somewhere. Hepe it's here. He will have to live with maybe a portal guy starting next year. His freshman performance probably proves that.
 
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One other factor for OU fans: We've been spoiled with OUr quarterback situations over the last decade plus. Every quarterback we've had has gone through his freshman season elsewhere
You lost me at "Spoiled."
And thats the rub, why can't OU develop a damn QB? Why does it always have to be a Transfer that has to come in and save the Program?
All the more reason the Powers that Be should have been aware of when you have 2 Freshnen QB's and not a single Qualified QB Coach on Staff.
Sorry but thats dipshittery at its finest from BV on up.
 

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You lost me at "Spoiled."
And thats the rub, why can't OU develop a damn QB? Why does it always have to be a Transfer that has to come in and save the Program?
All the more reason the Powers that Be should have been aware of when you have 2 Freshnen QB's and not a single Qualified QB Coach on Staff.
Sorry but thats dipshittery at its finest from BV on up.
Because very few rookie quarterbacks, won't go through growing pains. And in today's college football, hot shot quarterbacks don't wait around to play. And finding a great young quarterback in high school ain't easy. Caleb Williams was an exception. He was great quickly. But he still had his growing pains. We scored 14 points in the loss at Waco, and with the help of officials, OSU beat us in Bedlam, keeping us out of the CCG. Maybe it was because TBOW wasn't going to LSU.

Most coaches avoid freshman quarterbacks, because the mistakes they make cost them games. The old days of developing a quarterback are rare. So if you want a quarterback with experience, the Baker Mayfield or Kyler Murray or Jalen Hurts or Dillon Gabriel is the way to go. If your guy is a young quarterback with not much game experience, you live with hard times. And if that happens simultaneously with injuries to three or four offensive linemen including playing your fourth team center, and losing you top five receivers, then you suffer greatly. It sucks. But you don't fire all of the coaches. Maybe the OC, but not all of them. But we need a rock star at OC, to bring in the studs at the position, that can coach them, not a former fullback.